It says she faces 45 years in prison.
This shit has to stop.
45 years of having to pay taxes to feed her, cloth her, etc.
Murder should be death by hanging immediately.
She was extremely emotional at the time, pregnant and scorned by the lover/father. I doubt the conviction will be for murder, and I'll be surprised if she's not ruled temporarily insane and put in an institution.
What I don't get is why she didn't make him pay for real. Child support, notify the other chick, etc...
It is not murder or illegal to have an abortion in her state at 8 months for reason of depression. It is legal in every state per the US Supreme Court ruling.
She was depressed and didn't think clearly. That's fairly obvious. For others in this thread it should be fairly obvious the result of her actions caused a four day old baby to die. She did not seek an abortion which would have been legal. What she did and how she did it IS relevant. That's why she's charged. That is the first issue.
The second is that doing something is not the beginning and end of justice. Her mental state will be taken into account and it would be hard to imagine that she's going to be packed off to Botany Bay or wherever. The likely result is that the charges will be dropped at some point or if pursued the judge will commit her for treatment which is the best possible outcome. The "well we'll call it an abortion and never mind the law" crowd pretends to be virtuous, but they don't really care about her, they care that she can do whatever she wants without limits. Let her off, and then she can finish living with a severe mental illness or off herself for good. Nice. No, the reality they embrace is misery for his woman who I do not wish to see punished, but helped. That said the process cannot be ignored, and ultimately she may benefit from treatment. The law is not justice. The application of law tempered with mercy when the circumstances dictate is justice. She's a woman who in other circumstances would have kept this child and been happy. Let's see if things can be better for her.
I realize you are simply stating one of the consequences of the Indiana law as written, but do you realize how batshit crazy that is?Then they should have charged her with murder, since she did not have the unborn's life ended by a licenses abortionist.
I realize you are simply stating one of the consequences of the Indiana law as written, but do you realize how batshit crazy that is?
An act can qualify as murder - unless it is carried out by a licensed practitioner.
Case 1. Commit said act: murder, prison time.
Case 2. Same act, piece of government paperwork in the room: carry on!
Yes it is big trouble, but a class C felony (in Indiana for practicing medicine without a license) is a penalty for the lack of a license. That is clearly not what is going on with the charge of murder which would apply to an unlicensed abortion. Presumably anyone performing an unlicensed abortion under circumstances in some way contrived to be a "pracitce" of sorts, or some kind of planned procedure could also be hit with the class D as a bonus.Yes and no. If you or I were to put someone on a table and cut out their appendix, we would be in a lot of trouble, unless we were doctors.
May I borrow your time machine?
Until that fetus is outside her body, she can do what ever the fuck she wants to with her body.
Are you serious or just trolling. Hard to be sure with such a stupid statement.
I don't disagree, but I'm not sure why you chose my post to quote
Yes it is big trouble, but a class C felony (in Indiana for practicing medicine without a license) is a penalty for the lack of a license. That is clearly not what is going on with the charge of murder which would apply to an unlicensed abortion. Presumably anyone performing an unlicensed abortion under circumstances in some way contrived to be a "pracitce" of sorts, or some kind of planned procedure could also be hit with the class D as a bonus.
The criminal charge here is not for being unlicensed but clearly for the procedure itself. That's the disconnect.
Because you asked why she didn't go for the money. The rest was just a general comment not directed at you.
If someone wants to end it, who are you to say that they can't kill themselves?
And a fetus inside a womans body is not a person until it pops its little head out.
You tell me what is so stupid about that? Nevermind, it won't change my mind, so it doesn't matter.
She wanted to die... so why not just kill her? The pro-lifers can be happy, she's obviously fine with it... I don't get the point of saving the life that does not want to live. I get arguing for the fetus, even if I don't agree with it, but if someone legitimately wants to die... well, honestly, why should we pay to keep them alive for the rest of their lives? Kill her and move on. Win-win.
Which patient are you refering to, and are we still stalking about an unlicensed appendectomy, unlicensed abortion, or licensed abortion? I don't want to take this down rabbit trails it doesn't have to go so I'm going to try to be careful with the details.Wouldn't it be a charge of murder (or similar) in addition if the "patient" died?
To prove "murder" for a doctor in the same case would be much harder.
A woman either has the right to terminate her own pregnancy or she doesn't.