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Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Because a mini van has more room, is cheaper, and get better milage and can tow most boats the same.

You have obviously not been in a Suburban.

My sister-in-law drives a Honda Odyssey, a very nice mini-van...

My suburban holds nearly twice the stuff and one more person, for only a few MPG less. That thing gets about 18mpg, my Suburban gets 15MPG.

The Honda Odyssey will tow a 2,000lb trailer (not much of a boat), my Suburban will tow a 12,000lb (6 ton) trailer, a very nice boat!).

Most mini-vans have VERY little storage with all the seats in, my Suburban has as much storage in the back with all three rows in as the Odyssey does with the third row folded down.

On top of that, the Odyssey can carry 500lbs less inside. You put 7 people and stuff in the Odyssey and it isn't happy. You do the same with a Suburban and it doesn't care...

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Zebo

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Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Hehe Glad you liked it

Because now that I have explained the virtures of owning a F-350 this will be my next vechile to stay ahead of the game... Better have a bathroom and be self contained though so I can get the 2nd mortgage intrest dedution for the payments

Hehehe... House on wheels...

Yea, I thought it was quite funny, I love spoofs!

BTW, JD Power and Assoc did a study and found that about 15% of the people who buy Suburbans actually would like something bigger still. They found the Excursion to be a poor vehicle, too rough around the edges, but even that wasn't big enough for some buyers...

Some people really do need to haul around 8 people plus stuff... You can get a soccer team and their gear in three Suburbans vs. a dozen cars...

Grasshopper

Interesting. That's why I feel, we need some regualtion. Either make the drivers test much more stringent like for a big rig drivers or lower the wieghts of these vechiles. They pose just to much of a risk to other drivers. You can decapitate someone who is driving a Camery and walk away unscathed with these big heavy SUV's. .

 

Pliablemoose

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& I'm really not saying people shouldn't look @ a larger vehicle if they have a big family, I just don't know many people with big families anymore, those that need them should certainly have that option, I'm just trying to point out that the U.S. looks odd to the rest of the world with our fascination with large unnecessary vehicles, big HP numbers, etc. Does anyone need a 200 hp Sable to sit in traffic jam with?
 

Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Interesting. That's why I feel, we need some regualtion. Either make the drivers test much more stringent like for a big rig drivers or lower the wieghts of these vechiles. They pose just to much of a risk to other drivers. You can decapitate someone who is driving a Camery and walk away unscathed with these big heavy SUV's. Also, I hardy ever see anything other than a single person in one.

You must not be driving near schools then...

Around here, I see nothing but big SUVs lined up by the dozens... You DO know that fully 2/3 of all Suburbans are driven by women with kids, right?

Depends where you drive, but I see them loaded up with families all the time, but then I live near a school.

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Zebo

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Odyssy? common' Grasshopper come the the plate with an honest debate since we are taking Full Size SUVs talk Full size minivans. I'm talking about Caravans, astros, and the like not some stripped down econobox.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Who cares? Whats the big deal? More room in a vehicle is always nice. Besides, I assure you my Expeidtion can pull more, haul more and go more places then your car that has "just enough room".
It isnt always the obvious uses, but sometimes the untapped potential that lures us to these vehicles. If I go on vacation, I can take a boat, go off road etc etc. Granted I dont NEED that much vehicle for everyday use.
But thats why I have my Super-Taurus (No, there is NOTHING super about it. Its a POS.)

So, having a SUV for every day use is beyond me, that I dont understand. Or having it as your only vehicle. But, as a second, its grrrrrrr-eat!

Yes an SUV as a second car is great, but people around here (well not so much in Austin as Houston), use them as everyday use, because 1) they feel the need to have and use a vehicle that does everything, no matter the costs to society and the environment, and 2) a Suburban is as much a status symbol as a BMW 3 series.

You claim to care about the working man, yet you want to force working families to buy two cars, where one will do it all? Are YOU going to pay for it?

If anyone can afford two cars, these people can.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Okay.. to you guys saying that people may need the extra space for their kids' friends or whatever... fine that explains Suburbans. But what about Tahoes? Five seats... Less than my dad's Taurus. And a whole lot of college students here drive them.
 

Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Odyssy? common' Grasshopper come the the plate with an honest debate since we are taking Full Size SUVs talk Full size minivans. I'm talking about Caravans, astros, and the like not some stripped down econobox.

That is the only Mini-van I know anything about. Everyone else I know with kids drives an SUV.

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Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Okay.. to you guys saying that people may need the extra space for their kids' friends or whatever... fine that explains Suburbans. But what about Tahoes? Five seats... Less than my dad's Taurus. And a whole lot of college students here drive them.

Tahoes come with a third row these days... You can fit the same number of people in them (not as comfortable as a Suburban, but you can).

That third row does destroy all cargo hauling ability however... But they come out easy so you can switch between the two.

A Suburban is just a Tahoe with 2.5 feet more stuck on the end, so you can have that third row plus plenty of cargo space.

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Grasshopper27

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Car Talk is pleased to help Ford introduce the new Ford Excursion:

FORD: The customer came first in developing the all-new Ford Excursion.

TRANSLATION: We had about 50 million tons of extra sheet metal lying around.

FORD: It's designed to provide customers with a fresh new choice in the heavy-duty utility market.

TRANSLATION: Even we were shocked when we saw it. I think we can all agree, it's freakin' huge.

FORD: Excursion offers more space and convenience for passengers, more utility for activities such as towing and more versatility for carrying cargo and luggage--while at the same time setting a bold new standard for safety and the environment.

TRANSLATION: There's more interior volume than the Taj Mahal. Think you'd get hurt if the Taj ever hit a Chevette? Of course not! You wouldn't believe how much gas this thing drinks. We didn't say it was a bold new good standard.

FORD: Up to 10 cup holders and five power points.

TRANSLATION: Just you try to drink that much coffee. We don't know what power points are, either, but some junior ad writer came up with the phrase and we kept it because we thought it sounded impressive.

FORD: Large towing capacity--up to 10,000 pounds.

TRANSLATION: That's two fully loaded Explorers you could drag around behind you, in case you want to zip into town with something easier to park.

FORD: Large payload capacity--up to one ton.

TRANSLATION: And it holds nine people, so each of them can weigh up to 225 pounds. Or, five mothers-in-law at 400 pounds each. It's your call.

FORD: Ford's unique BlockerBeam helps prevent a car from sliding underneath the front of the Excursion during a frontal collision. Ford is the first in the industry to provide this type of advanced protection in trucks.

TRANSLATION: We're already gearing up for lawsuits from relatives of deceased Escort owners. Our legal team devised this preemptive, technology-based defense.

FORD: A standard trailer hitch helps prevent a car from sliding underneath the rear of Excursion during a rear collision.

TRANSLATION: But the "BlockerBeam" was too expensive to add to the back of the Excursion. So, we figured, why not just skewer cars with a regular old trailer hitch?

FORD: Driver and passenger front air bags feature "second generation" inflation rates.

TRANSLATION: Our apologies to those of you who lost your first generation of children to our original air bag design.

FORD: New Ford Belt-Minder system will help remind most Excursion occupants to buckle up.

TRANSLATION: We added a buzzer.

FORD: SecuriLock? passive anti-theft system helps deter would-be thieves.

TRANSLATION: It took Vinny 300 percent longer to break in and drive off-nearly two full minutes!

FORD: Will produce up to 43 percent less tailpipe emissions than permitted by law.

TRANSLATION: The law needs updating.

FORD: More fuel efficient--with more passenger and cargo carrying capacity--than two average full-size sedans capable of transporting equivalent loads.

TRANSLATION: Please try not to think how much gas you're wasting when you take the Excursion to go get a gallon of milk.

FORD: Nearly one-fifth of the vehicle is made from recycled materials, including various steel, aluminum, rubber and plastic parts.

TRANSLATION: There aren't enough mines in the world for the raw materials we'll be needing.

FORD: More than 85 percent of the vehicle is recyclable by weight.

TRANSLATION: And when you're done with it, NAFTA allows us to sell it to Mexico as low-income housing.

FORD: At less than 7 feet tall and less than 20 feet long, Excursion still fits into a standard-size garage.

TRANSLATION: But it might not be a bad idea to hire some aircraft-gate parking specialists with lit beacons to help you get it in there.

FORD: Excursion offers an impressive 165 cubic feet of available cargo space. That's about eight times the trunk volume of a full-size passenger car.

TRANSLATION: Some other things you might be able to relate this to:
*About the size of your first apartment after college
*Could hold 10 cubicles, and a water cooler
*Enough room for optional lap pool

FORD: Reducing the amount of noise entering the cabin was a priority for the Excursion development team.

TRANSLATION: I think we all can agree that it's distasteful to have to listen to the sound of bones, flesh and metal being crunched.

FORD: Privacy glass and separate reading lights also are provided for all three rows of seating.

TRANSLATION: Guys, you can finally stare at those ads in your wife's copy of "Vogue" while you're waiting for her to come out of the store, and the little old ladies with blue hair won't give you dirty looks.

FORD: Excursion also is another example of Ford's dual truck platform strategy, which is designed to make effective and efficient use of common platforms to provide better value to customers and shareholders.

TRANSLATION: We basically took our standard garbage truck and put seven seats in it.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I do look @ Hummer H2's & Suburbans, etc as a waste & we look like hypocrits when we come to the world's table to negotiate pollution control with countries that don't even have electricity & running water in the less developed areas.

What would you prefer, two standard cars driving around getting 25mpg or one suburban driving around getting 15mpg?

The latter is more fuel efficient and takes up less space on the road.

Grasshopper

One sedan carrying one person is twice as efficient as one Suburban carrying one person. One sedan carrying two people is twice as efficient as one Suburban carrying two people. One sedan carrying three people is twice as efficient as one Suburban carrying three people. One sedan carrying four people is twice as efficient as one Suburban carrying four people.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Originally posted by: Shockwave
Who cares? Whats the big deal? More room in a vehicle is always nice. Besides, I assure you my Expeidtion can pull more, haul more and go more places then your car that has "just enough room".
It isnt always the obvious uses, but sometimes the untapped potential that lures us to these vehicles. If I go on vacation, I can take a boat, go off road etc etc. Granted I dont NEED that much vehicle for everyday use.
But thats why I have my Super-Taurus (No, there is NOTHING super about it. Its a POS.)

So, having a SUV for every day use is beyond me, that I dont understand. Or having it as your only vehicle. But, as a second, its grrrrrrr-eat!

Yes an SUV as a second car is great, but people around here (well not so much in Austin as Houston), use them as everyday use, because 1) they feel the need to have and use a vehicle that does everything, no matter the costs to society and the environment, and 2) a Suburban is as much a status symbol as a BMW 3 series.

You claim to care about the working man, yet you want to force working families to buy two cars, where one will do it all? Are YOU going to pay for it?

If anyone can afford two cars, these people can.

Again, how do you determine that?

Can you not see how elitist you're being here?
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Okay.. to you guys saying that people may need the extra space for their kids' friends or whatever... fine that explains Suburbans. But what about Tahoes? Five seats... Less than my dad's Taurus. And a whole lot of college students here drive them.

They still have towing capability and can handle a lot more cargo.

You really need to stop worrying about other people so much.

You're like an automotive church lady.
 

wyvrn

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I dislike bully drivers. When someone in a truck or SUV does this to me, I simply slow down 10mph. If you thought I was going slow before, how about now buttheads? This works even better when there is another car next to me in the other lane, we effectively "lock" the bully driver at our speed I will do this for miles and miles and miles and miles By the way, I owned a truck and pulled the same tactics when I was younger. Thankfully though, I have enough sense not to ride on someone's tail because I am in a bigger vehicle and actually practice safe driving




Originally posted by: compuwiz1
There is nothing more anoying, to me, than when I am driving my SUV down the freeway and some pesky little put-put car is going slow in front of me. I get right on their tail with my ultra white halogen head lights and fogs. The bastards! When will people who drive small POS's learn to get out of the way of those of us who have places to go and things to do? Hahaha!

 

Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer

One sedan carrying one person is twice as efficient as one Suburban carrying one person. One sedan carrying two people is twice as efficient as one Suburban carrying two people. One sedan carrying three people is twice as efficient as one Suburban carrying three people. One sedan carrying four people is twice as efficient as one Suburban carrying four people.

One sedan is not twice as efficent as one Suburban. Most full size cars get about 25 MPG these days, that is not twice what my Suburban gets.

In any case, most small cars that DO get 30mpg are not comfortable with 4 full size people in them. The back seat of a Honda Civic is not a nice place to be on a 3 hour drive with another person next to you and two up front.

On top of this, my Suburban has a heck of a lot more shoulder room than even most full size cars, the seats are more comfortable, and the ride is better (that long wheelbase makes it a dream on the highway)

Me <--- loves my Suburban, so I'm not biased at ALL!!!

Grasshopper
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Okay.. to you guys saying that people may need the extra space for their kids' friends or whatever... fine that explains Suburbans. But what about Tahoes? Five seats... Less than my dad's Taurus. And a whole lot of college students here drive them.

They still have towing capability and can handle a lot more cargo.

You really need to stop worrying about other people so much.

You're like an automotive church lady.

Do those people with the "Onstar" hitch sign tow? Cargo? Are these people moving weekly? My parents and I stayed with my brother before getting a house and we did make use of his Suburban, but... cargo?
Church lady... I suppose insults and claims of towing are the best an SUV driver can come up with.
 

Zebo

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Me <--- loves my Suburban, so I'm not biased at ALL!!!

hehe I love the Suburban or the Yukon XL, they are like riding in a caddy as far as ride and plushness I would have one but it does'nt have a solid front and I do major off-roading. Fords are not as nice.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Okay.. to you guys saying that people may need the extra space for their kids' friends or whatever... fine that explains Suburbans. But what about Tahoes? Five seats... Less than my dad's Taurus. And a whole lot of college students here drive them.

They still have towing capability and can handle a lot more cargo.

You really need to stop worrying about other people so much.

You're like an automotive church lady.

Do those people with the "Onstar" hitch sign tow? Cargo? Are these people moving weekly? My parents and I stayed with my brother before getting a house and we did make use of his Suburban, but... cargo?
Church lady... I suppose insults and claims of towing are the best an SUV driver can come up with.

I suppose false assumtions are your specialty. I drive a Passat, genuis. But then, this is on par with your elitist rantings about what people may, or may not drive.


 

Grasshopper27

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Me <--- loves my Suburban, so I'm not biased at ALL!!!

hehe I love the Suburban or the Yukon XL, they are like riding in a caddy as far as ride and plushness I would have one but it does'nt have a solid front and I do major off-roading. Fords are not as nice.

Hey, at least I admit my bias rather than just rant as if I know everything...

For serious offroading, I would not take any Suburban... Gimmie a Hummer H1!!!

If not that, then a 4x4 Jeep Wrangler with proper off-road tires and a roll gage.

Grasshopper
 

0roo0roo

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what other people drive affects the health and safety of others. unlike other purchases like houses etc.

so yes, it is our business.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what other people drive affects the health and safety of others. unlike other purchases like houses etc.

so yes, it is our business.
Proof of this is grasshopper. Poor Texan is "forced" to buy a Suburban for safety because other people have SUVs. It's a never ending cycle.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what other people drive affects the health and safety of others. unlike other purchases like houses etc.

so yes, it is our business.


Only I have seen this argument applied to anything.

Buy a house, you are contributing to urban sprawl.
Buy a big house and you are wasting precious resources.
Buy a computer and it will end up poisoning a chinese landfill worker.
And you dont even want to think about the toxic stuff that computer hardware makers use.

I could add things to this list all day long.




Everything you do has consequences, so look in the mirror before you start bitching about others.
 

Chaotic42

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The only thing that worries me about SUVs is that they are so huge, a typical soccer mom might not be able to drive it well. That and the fact that they can't see my little Festiva most of the time.

Anyway, there are much, much more important things to be worrying about. Like public schools, possible impending war, or the erosion of our personal freedoms.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
The only thing that worries me about SUVs is that they are so huge, a typical soccer mom might not be able to drive it well. That and the fact that they can't see my little Festiva most of the time.

Anyway, there are much, much more important things to be worrying about. Like public schools, possible impending war, or the erosion of our personal freedoms.

I've done my share of cutting people off (mainly when they accelerate not to let me in and I assume they are nice enough to maintain their speed), but people do tend to try to change lanes onto me. My roof is the same height as some SUVs' beltlines. maybe I should get a wing to improve visibility.
 
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