Disturbing trend in Texas

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
The only thing that worries me about SUVs is that they are so huge, a typical soccer mom might not be able to drive it well. That and the fact that they can't see my little Festiva most of the time.

Anyway, there are much, much more important things to be worrying about. Like public schools, possible impending war, or the erosion of our personal freedoms.

I've done my share of cutting people off (mainly when they accelerate not to let me in and I assume they are nice enough to maintain their speed), but people do tend to try to change lanes onto me. My roof is the same height as some SUVs' beltlines. maybe I should get a wing to improve visibility.

Well, my saving grace is that my car is lemon-yellow

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what other people drive affects the health and safety of others. unlike other purchases like houses etc.

so yes, it is our business.

Only I have seen this argument applied to anything.

Buy a house, you are contributing to urban sprawl.
Buy a big house and you are wasting precious resources.
Buy a computer and it will end up poisoning a chinese landfill worker.
And you dont even want to think about the toxic stuff that computer hardware makers use.

I could add things to this list all day long.




Everything you do has consequences, so look in the mirror before you start bitching about others.

nice try, u tried to stretch it to everything, it doesnt work that way. houses may cause sprawl, but well, they are regulated. they don't kill people either. you don't use computers on public computer desks where you can kill people either.

by your arguement i could pollute all day and it would be none of your business. maybe i'll dump some toxic waste tommrow, makes no difference really. everythings da sh*t anyways. all those regulations on corporations polluting, take em down.. pollute away. good of society be damned.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what other people drive affects the health and safety of others. unlike other purchases like houses etc.

so yes, it is our business.

Only I have seen this argument applied to anything.

Buy a house, you are contributing to urban sprawl.
Buy a big house and you are wasting precious resources.
Buy a computer and it will end up poisoning a chinese landfill worker.
And you dont even want to think about the toxic stuff that computer hardware makers use.

I could add things to this list all day long.




Everything you do has consequences, so look in the mirror before you start bitching about others.

nice try, u tried to stretch it to everything, it doesnt work that way. houses may cause sprawl, but well, they are regulated. they don't kill people either. you don't use computers on public computer desks where you can kill people either.

by your arguement i could pollute all day and it would be none of your business. maybe i'll dump some toxic waste tommrow, makes no difference really. everythings da sh*t anyways. all those regulations on corporations polluting, take em down.. pollute away. good of society be damned.

You missed the point of my argument. Everything you do has an enviromental and a probable impact on others. If you are too blind to see this, that is not my problem.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Because a mini van has more room, is cheaper, and get better milage and can tow most boats the same.

Maximum towing capacity for a Dodge Caravan is 2000 lbs. A 17' SeaRay weighs more than that without a trailer.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


nice try, u tried to stretch it to everything, it doesnt work that way. houses may cause sprawl, but well, they are regulated. they don't kill people either. you don't use computers on public computer desks where you can kill people either.

by your arguement i could pollute all day and it would be none of your business. maybe i'll dump some toxic waste tommrow, makes no difference really. everythings da sh*t anyways. all those regulations on corporations polluting, take em down.. pollute away. good of society be damned.

I assume that you live in a log cabin and use a bicycle for all your transportation needs.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Because a mini van has more room, is cheaper, and get better milage and can tow most boats the same.

Maximum towing capacity for a Dodge Caravan is 2000 lbs. A 17' SeaRay weighs more than that without a trailer.

Without the two pakage yes but with it it's 3500 lbs http://www.grmotorsports.com/caravantest.html

Chevy Astro is 5400 lbs. with tow package.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Cyberian
Without the two pakage yes but with it it's 3500 lbs http://www.grmotorsports.com/caravantest.html

Chevy Astro is 5400 lbs. with tow package.

That's true, but no one in their right mind drives a Chevy Astro anymore, *yuck*

That being said, without any special package, the Tahoe/Suburban tows 7,800lbs and with the Class IV hitch it tows 12,000lbs

Grasshopper

 

[PowerMacG5]

I don't see why people all hate SUV's. I think they are great. Your all yelling about pollution, but one SUV can usually hold 2 times as many people as a normal-sized car. At one poit my family (of 5) had 2, yes 2 Excursions. Diesel V8's, fully loaded, etc... They were the most comfortable rides in the world. We have 5 people, and my father owns a trucking and rigging company, Why can't we buy those? Next your gonna say he should do his rigging with some low emissions POS tractor? Go fvck yourself. When you find an electric engine that has the power of a 16-litre, Straight six, 700 HP CAT engine, that can fit into the same engine bay let me know. Until then, my family will buy the most polluting vehicles on earth and enjoy it. By the way, we got rid of the 2 excursions for a Yukon XL Denali, and an Expedition Eddie Bauer. And also, we have 16 tractors that are polluting away, and guzzling the diesel fuel. Bring on the flames, I dare you. And we live in New York, house in suburbs, business in Brooklyn.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Because a mini van has more room, is cheaper, and get better milage and can tow most boats the same.

Maximum towing capacity for a Dodge Caravan is 2000 lbs. A 17' SeaRay weighs more than that without a trailer.

Without the two pakage yes but with it it's 3500 lbs http://www.grmotorsports.com/caravantest.html

Chevy Astro is 5400 lbs. with tow package.

3500 lbs. isn't too bad, but my 20' fishing boat weighs more than that, and the trailer is another 1400 lbs.
I'm not surprised at the capacity of the Astro, because it's RWD and built on a truck frame.

 

[waggy]

I agree that excusion and suburbans are overkill even though i used to have a suburban (towed stuff all the time with it). I dont think we should tell people what they can and cant drive.

I usually drive smaller cars (escort, civic, etc) but now i dont feel safe on the road with all these huge SUV's. Next summer i might get myself a mediume size SUV for my wife. yeah it gets bad gas milage etc but i want her to be safe if she gets in a wreck with my daughter. I might get her a Jeep grand cherokee. i like those ones heh.

i also have a F-350 dullie sitting in a barn. I dont drive it every day just because it is to fricken big (it is a pain to park around town). But i do tow a bunch we have a boat, camper not to mention farming stuff (go ahead and tell me a f-150 will tow some farm equipment and let me laugh at you).

 

[ReiAyanami]

yes, but i see too many people with no kids being the only ones in their giant SUVs barreling down the raod and then taking two park spots because 1 just doesnt cut it for them. maybe they are the 1/3rd of obese americans that need lard transportation. but your gas guzzling SUV increases MY gas prices in the future and my children's future.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
yes, but i see too many people with no kids being the only ones in their giant SUVs barreling down the raod and then taking two park spots because 1 just doesnt cut it for them. maybe they are the 1/3rd of obese americans that need lard transportation. but your gas guzzling SUV increases MY gas prices in the future and my children's future.

Go get your head checked out. Most people driving SUV's are not obese, I take offense to "lard transportation". And my excursion never took up two parking spaces. It may have fit gingerly into one space, but it still fit with enough room between the cars that we could all get in and out. And if you haven't also noticed, the majority of malls/restaurants/gathering places, have all started to widen the spots for you to park in, so stop fvcken complaining. And most SUV's get about 12-20 mpg. Granted that that diesel excursions only get 12, thats still good. Those stupid ricer cars use more gas than my Excursion did. When you add NO2, low exhaust, new headers, etc... your not only increasing your HP, you also increase you gas consumption.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Because a mini van has more room, is cheaper, and get better milage and can tow most boats the same.

Maximum towing capacity for a Dodge Caravan is 2000 lbs. A 17' SeaRay weighs more than that without a trailer.

Without the two pakage yes but with it it's 3500 lbs http://www.grmotorsports.com/caravantest.html

Chevy Astro is 5400 lbs. with tow package.

3500 lbs. isn't too bad, but my 20' fishing boat weighs more than that, and the trailer is another 1400 lbs.
I'm not surprised at the capacity of the Astro, because it's RWD and built on a truck frame.

Cyberian, I think you missunderstand me. If you need the vechile by all means buy it. Hell I drive a 8000lb truck. I'm just saying there are alternatives for many people who don't need them but justify the expense by lying to themselves and saying they do when really it's to be taller and heavier than other drivers and put them at risk in the mean time. As I said I would like to see big truck traffic fines and big truck licence requirements before someone can get behind the wheel of any vechile that can easily kill your average motorist even at low speeds.

 

[Staples]

This is why I hope gas prices go up (A LOT). People will not want to buy big SUVs, there will be less traffic and there will be less smog to breathe.

 

[jteef]

The biggest mistake our family ever made was trading in our 88 texas conversion suburban in on a new 94 ford aerostar 4.0L

The suburban was better in every single possible way except mileage(12-18). We are a family of 5 with a large dog that travelled to the lake house prolly 50 weekends / year (3 hour drive each way). It was even better than the huge ass conversion van we got. (tho the fold down bed was a nice feature, but was not removeable and occupied a large amount of cargo space)

I dont think anybody makes a minivan on a truck chassis anymore (chevy astro maybe?) Thats a basic requirement for towing and durability on unpaved roads.

we've got a 94 bronco now since it caters pretty well to my dads hunting and fishing needs and we dont go on family trips anymore. He's about to trade it in on a navigator or an escalade and an ATV.

jt

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

I generally end up slowing down when someone snuggles up to my rear bumper as well. It's not meant to be taunting, it's just very distracting (esp. at night) and I have to slow down to compensate for my attention being drawn to something behind me in addition to driving and looking ahead. I will not hog the left lane on the xway, and I don't mind someone passing me at all (greatly welcome it in fact), I just don't like to be bullied into speeding up from someone in a pickup truck/suv, or any vehicle for that matter.

As for the disturbing trend, trust me it's not just in TX. And the most disturbing element to me is the apparent lack of driving skills and clarity of judgement a lot of these drivers possess, as opposed to poor use of natural resources.

Originally posted by: wyvrn
I dislike bully drivers. When someone in a truck or SUV does this to me, I simply slow down 10mph. If you thought I was going slow before, how about now buttheads? This works even better when there is another car next to me in the other lane, we effectively "lock" the bully driver at our speed I will do this for miles and miles and miles and miles By the way, I owned a truck and pulled the same tactics when I was younger. Thankfully though, I have enough sense not to ride on someone's tail because I am in a bigger vehicle and actually practice safe driving

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
There is nothing more anoying, to me, than when I am driving my SUV down the freeway and some pesky little put-put car is going slow in front of me. I get right on their tail with my ultra white halogen head lights and fogs. The bastards! When will people who drive small POS's learn to get out of the way of those of us who have places to go and things to do? Hahaha!

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Cyberian, I think you missunderstand me. If you need the vechile by all means buy it. Hell I drive a 8000lb truck. I'm just saying there are alternatives for many people who don't need them but justify the expense by lying to themselves and saying they do when really it's to be taller and heavier than other drivers and put them at risk in the mean time. As I said I would like to see big truck traffic fines and big truck licence requirements before someone can get behind the wheel of any vechile that can easily kill your average motorist even at low speeds.

Agreed.
I guess I was just trying to say the same thing a different way.
Actually I don't even own an SUV. I pay someone to launch my boat in the Spring and haul it in the Fall. It costs me $100 each way, and I'm quite sure that driving a Honda Civic saves me more than that much in gas.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Staples
This is why I hope gas prices go up (A LOT). People will not want to buy big SUVs, there will be less traffic and there will be less smog to breathe.

do you think that it is really going to bother someone who paid $30k+ for a suv to pay $2-4 a gallon? NO?
its really going to bother the person who had to save to purchase whatever vehicle they have. Pying $20+ just to fill up the vehicle to get to work/school/pick up the kids is going to hurt more people then teh people who buy those SUV's

yeah yeah you can say well they should get a better job. fact is some cant.

anyway i agree a those huge SUV's are bad and in 99% of cases there is no reason for that persone to have them.

 

[ChangLi]

Originally posted by: Sachmho

You claim to care about the working man, yet you want to force working families to buy two cars, where one will do it all? Are YOU going to pay for it?

most working families do not need the space of a suburban or another gigantor SUV... in their most common applications, they're completely unnecessary...

Sachmho, What gives you (and some of the other self righteous ones here) the right to "decide" what the needs are of ANYBODY but yourself? Off topic question for you Sach, are you a re-born? Just curious, my question is not intended as an insult in any way to you or others.

 

[Dragnov]

So far the only arguments are...

1) It's unecessary. Again, is your 200+hp Accord Sedan necessary? Do you guys really plan on accelerating that fast and having a top speed with your family in your car? I mean its a family sedan... meant for passengers and safe driving. Not acceleration and top speed. An SUV is meant for lots of passengers, cargo room, etc. So if we're talking about people not buying on solely need, then all of us are guilty of it.

2) It's not safe. Neither are trucks, motorcycles, tiny cars, etc etc. Your point?

3) Pollution. Again, when the fvck did you become an environmentalist? You drool over 8 cylinder sports cars that get sh1t mileage, but an 8 cylinder SUV is wasteful. Riiight.

Please tell me how your luxury vehicle, sedan, sports car, etc. fits your NEED only and how its not excessive.

 

[Staples]

do you think that it is really going to bother someone who paid $30k+ for a suv to pay $2-4 a gallon? NO?

Surprisingly yes, they are leading the trend in complaining that gas prices are too high.

Pollution. Again, when the fvck did you become an environmentalist? You drool over 8 cylinder sports cars that get sh1t mileage, but an 8 cylinder SUV is wasteful. Riiight.

I have always been conserned about the environment. I have always wondered why so many people in the OT forum post so many damn car threads. Any car that works and looks half decent is fine for me. I don't drool over rims etc. At 21, I still don't even have a car and the bus suits me just fine. I'll probably buy a hybrid when I do buy a car.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
So far the only arguments are...

1) It's unecessary. Again, is your 200+hp Accord Sedan necessary? Do you guys really plan on accelerating that fast and having a top speed with your family in your car? I mean its a family sedan... meant for passengers and safe driving. Not acceleration and top speed. An SUV is meant for lots of passengers, cargo room, etc. So if we're talking about people not buying on solely need, then all of us are guilty of it.

2) It's not safe. Neither are trucks, motorcycles, tiny cars, etc etc. Your point?

3) Pollution. Again, when the fvck did you become an environmentalist? You drool over 8 cylinder sports cars that get sh1t mileage, but an 8 cylinder SUV is wasteful. Riiight.

Please tell me how your luxury vehicle, sedan, sports car, etc. fits your NEED only and how its not excessive.

Motorcycles and tiny cars are most unsafe when people don't know how to drive them, just like SUVs. But SUVs with drivers who don't know how to drive them are unsafe to EVERYONE, not just the driver.

You seem to not understand how horsepower and gas mileage work. Just because an Accord and a Suburban both have 240hp doesn't mean that they get the same mileage. An engine only puts out as much horsepower as the driver wants. A 5000lb SUV with a 240hp V8 is in no way as efficient as a 3000lb car with a 240hp V8, V6, I4, or rotary. Fuel usage depends on acceleration and air resistance. Why do you think a Corvette gets better highway mileage than a Civic?

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer Motorcycles and tiny cars are most unsafe when people don't know how to drive them, just like SUVs. But SUVs with drivers who don't know how to drive them are unsafe to EVERYONE, not just the driver.

You seem to not understand how horsepower and gas mileage work. Just because an Accord and a Suburban both have 240hp doesn't mean that they get the same mileage. An engine only puts out as much horsepower as the driver wants. A 5000lb SUV with a 240hp V8 is in no way as efficient as a 3000lb car with a 240hp V8, V6, I4, or rotary. Fuel usage depends on acceleration and air resistance. Why do you think a Corvette gets better highway mileage than a Civic?

Bullsh|t!!

 

[Howard]

When you add NO2, low exhaust, new headers, etc... your not only increasing your HP, you also increase you gas consumption.

N2O? I'll give you that.

Low exhaust? What's that? If you mean new exhaust systems, they reduce the backpressure the engine faces, therefore putting out more HP per mass of fuel injected. If you think this through fuel economy improves. If you mean farty mufflers, they're a sh!tty form of sound pollution, but gas consumption remains the same or better, because most aftermarket mufflers are way better than stock reverse-flowers.

Again, new headers reduce backpressure.