DNC chair Schultz dropped from convention amid email debacle over Bernie Sanders

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blankslate

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does anyone really think that if there'd been an extra debate or two, or if the debates started in September instead of November, that it would have made a difference for the +3 million votes that Clinton won with?

If D.o Anything for Hillary W.S. had scheduled debates when people were more likely to be watching and these e-mails weren't written, there'd be a lot less anger over a process that had as little bias as possible....

As it stands now we know D.o Anything for Hillary W.S. wasn't truthful when she said the DNC was neutral.

Fuck her and her apologists.


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blankslate

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It's each party's decision. Sanders was welcome to run as an independent, it was his choice to run as a Democrat.

You know that he ran as a democrat because it was rather logical as he caucused with the democratic party for quite a while and he didn't want to risk being the Ralph Nader of 2016. So perhaps the DNC and D.o Anything for Hillary W.S. apologists should be a little less dismissive about that.


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spacejamz

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That's for the DNC to decide. Right now, they prefer to get input from the voters, who picked Hillary.

that contradicts what the media said a few months ago when they were explaining super delegates who don't have to vote based on the on the will of the people...or did I just not understand that correctly?
 

Jhhnn

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The US was arming "moderate" terrorists in the region with the goal of over throwing the Assad regime. Despite that being a complete shit show, the US claimed victory when Putin stepped in militarily because Obama had "fooled" Putin in to fighting ISIS for us. Sadly, it turns out that they were making a whole bunch of dosh selling oil to our great ally Erdogan and after showing the world the wagon train of oil flowing in to Turkey he started blowing them up. (Something the US allied forces had never thought of) The US cried foul because Putin was killing our pet terrorists who were working toward the goal of overturning an elected leader and he had now forced concessions, a cease fire, and Secretariat of State Kerry is now committed to elections in Syria. Putin now exerts more influence in the region having the support of Assad and Iran.

The plan was awful to begin with and it only demonstrated how terrible it was over and over again when Putin acted and the US retreated from various red lines and grand claims.

First off, the only red line was wrt WMD's. Russia defused that rather neatly, actually a win for the US. We didn't do anything more than threaten & they were removed.

The rest of it makes zero sense considering that Russia historically has a lot more influence in Syria, Iraq & Iran.

In the tail wagging the dog context of the Israeli/ US relationship just tearing down Syria serves one party's interests entirely. We don't have to win anything to accomplish that.
 

Jhhnn

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that contradicts what the media said a few months ago when they were explaining super delegates who don't have to vote based on the on the will of the people...or did I just not understand that correctly?

While technically possible it hasn't happened nor likely will it ever. The supers have always pushed the leader over the top, even in 2008 when the delegate count was closer & Hillary was the Party's pick.

Superdelegates would play a larger role in a close 3 way race where the will of the voters wouldn't be obvious.
 

wetech

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That was a characterization by a single DNC staffer afaict. Out of 19,000 emails.

Nor was it intended for publication like Trump's taco bowl.

So the excuse is, only some of us are racist, and we didn't intend for you to find out?
 

thraashman

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I find it amusing when the psycho far righties are feigning concern for Bernie here. Sure, members of the DNC did some unethical and highly questionable things that show that there needs to be a house cleaning and some serious introspection. Then you have the RNC that's barely hides its desire to put gay people into concentration camps and remove the right to vote from black people. But, no, it's democrats that's the problem...

The fact that I can't be much more than minorly upset with the democrats over this because I look at republicans and see the B-movie level villains they've become goes to show just how fucking bad the GOP has become.
 

Knowing

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First off, the only red line was wrt WMD's. Russia defused that rather neatly, actually a win for the US. We didn't do anything more than threaten & they were removed.

The rest of it makes zero sense considering that Russia historically has a lot more influence in Syria, Iraq & Iran.

In the tail wagging the dog context of the Israeli/ US relationship just tearing down Syria serves one party's interests entirely. We don't have to win anything to accomplish that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/473025/syria-red-line-that-wasnt/

We complained, Assad went on US TV and invited the US to take them with the condition that the US wouldn't continue to blame him for attacks without proof.

Hillary wanted regime change, she didn't get it because of Russia.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#source

"Iran would be strategically isolated, unable to exert its influence in the Middle East. The resulting regime in Syria will see the United States as a friend, not an enemy. Washington would gain substantial recognition as fighting for the people in the Arab world, not the corrupt regimes."

So how's that going?
 

spacejamz

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the leftists here should see if Bahgdad Bob is available for their damage control campaign...
 

Jhhnn

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So the excuse is, only some of us are racist, and we didn't intend for you to find out?

Please. It's a joke, son- one in very poor taste. How many times was it repeated in the 19,000 emails, anyway?
 

Jhhnn

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http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/473025/syria-red-line-that-wasnt/

We complained, Assad went on US TV and invited the US to take them with the condition that the US wouldn't continue to blame him for attacks without proof.

Hillary wanted regime change, she didn't get it because of Russia.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#source

"Iran would be strategically isolated, unable to exert its influence in the Middle East. The resulting regime in Syria will see the United States as a friend, not an enemy. Washington would gain substantial recognition as fighting for the people in the Arab world, not the corrupt regimes."

So how's that going?

Did you even notice that To* and From* are blank in that email? That attribution to Hillary is unwarranted?

Did you even notice that it dovetails perfectly wrt the tail wagging the dog?

The prospect of more of that is one of my great misgivings about a Clinton presidency. Repubs should be overjoyed, given that they're in the pocket of the Israel lobby anyway. They outright bought Tom Cotton, for example.
 

Knowing

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Did you even notice that To* and From* are blank in that email? That attribution to Hillary is unwarranted?

Did you even notice that it dovetails perfectly wrt the tail wagging the dog?

The prospect of more of that is one of my great misgivings about a Clinton presidency. Repubs should be overjoyed, given that they're in the pocket of the Israel lobby anyway. They outright bought Tom Cotton, for example.
So you're saying that Hillary's plan wasn't to arm terrorists for the purposes of regime change?

What was the plan then? How was success defined in the plan that you have evidence of? How is Kerry's change of stance determined to be just as we intended? Why do we have hover boots there now?
 

Jhhnn

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So you're saying that Hillary's plan wasn't to arm terrorists for the purposes of regime change?

Anybody we arm goes by "freedom fighter". That dates at least from the mujahedin (taliban) & the Contras.

What was the plan then? How was success defined in the plan that you have evidence of? How is Kerry's change of stance determined to be just as we intended? Why do we have hover boots there now?

Whose plan? Ours, or our lying Israeli buddies? It obviously works for the Israelis.
 

Knowing

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Anybody we arm goes by "freedom fighter". That dates at least from the mujahedin (taliban) & the Contras.



Whose plan? Ours, or our lying Israeli buddies? It obviously works for the Israelis.
They're foreign terrorists, they were always foreign terrorists.

As son as Hillary goes to AIPAC and tells them thanks but no thanks I'll lay this at their feet. Until then, she advocated for it and she owns it.
 

Thump553

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I'm amazed that so little publicity has been made of the fact that these emails were hacked and released by Russian secret service hackers. The fact that Russia is attempting to so blatantly interfere in our elections in favor of Trump should be a wakeup call-Putin plans to walk all over Trump if he becomes President. Putin knows Hillary is too tough and will stand up to his imperialist ambitions to reconquer Eastern Europe country by country.
 

glenn1

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I find it amusing when the psycho far righties are feigning concern for Bernie here. Sure, members of the DNC did some unethical and highly questionable things that show that there needs to be a house cleaning and some serious introspection. Then you have the RNC that's barely hides its desire to put gay people into concentration camps and remove the right to vote from black people. But, no, it's democrats that's the problem...

The fact that I can't be much more than minorly upset with the democrats over this because I look at republicans and see the B-movie level villains they've become goes to show just how fucking bad the GOP has become.

Because they mirror the vast majority of the American people in that they respect Bernie vastly more than Hillary despite having greater differences in policy differences with him.
 

Jhhnn

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They're foreign terrorists, they were always foreign terrorists.

As son as Hillary goes to AIPAC and tells them thanks but no thanks I'll lay this at their feet. Until then, she advocated for it and she owns it.

She won't. Other than Obama, American politicians generally offer knee-jerk support for anything Israeli & have for nearly 50 years.
 

OrByte

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I will ask you the same thing I have asked others. Would we not be better off just having the DNC tell us who the nominee is instead of all this money and time in the current process?

your question is a false dilemma

fallacy in reasoning.
 

Jhhnn

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I'm amazed that so little publicity has been made of the fact that these emails were hacked and released by Russian secret service hackers. The fact that Russia is attempting to so blatantly interfere in our elections in favor of Trump should be a wakeup call-Putin plans to walk all over Trump if he becomes President. Putin knows Hillary is too tough and will stand up to his imperialist ambitions to reconquer Eastern Europe country by country.

Yep. Vlad undoubtedly got a little bit chubby when Donald suggested that we might abandon Nato allies.
 

OrByte

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I find it amusing when the psycho far righties are feigning concern for Bernie here. Sure, members of the DNC did some unethical and highly questionable things that show that there needs to be a house cleaning and some serious introspection. Then you have the RNC that's barely hides its desire to put gay people into concentration camps and remove the right to vote from black people. But, no, it's democrats that's the problem...

The fact that I can't be much more than minorly upset with the democrats over this because I look at republicans and see the B-movie level villains they've become goes to show just how fucking bad the GOP has become.

I wouldn't even concede "unethical and highly questionable" Politics is an ugly business. Bernie sure didn't have any problem making all sorts of "unethical and highly questionable" promises in order to throw HRC supporters under the bus, you know?

I'd concede that Russia is hacking for Trump. That's about it
 

Phynaz

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It is pretty sad/hilarious that the usually apologists don't see anything wrong with the nature/tone of these emails...

Low information voters. All they want to hear are the Robin Hood promises.

Idiocracy in action.
 

Jhhnn

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Because they mirror the vast majority of the American people in that they respect Bernie vastly more than Hillary despite having greater differences in policy differences with him.

Bernie hasn't been the target of decades of sensationalist right wing slime attacks. Even with that, it's clear that Repubs would much rather have faced him in the election given the amount of concern trolling we've seen from them.

Oh, and from you as well.
 

Pens1566

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Low information voters. All they want to hear are the Robin Hood promises.

Idiocracy in action.

Eh, one candidate in this election is making Idiocracy look like a future predicting documentary and it isn't the one you're implying.
 
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