DNC chair Schultz dropped from convention amid email debacle over Bernie Sanders

[Knowing]

What evidence can you offer that the Admin is trying to start a war with Russia?

Outwitted in Syria? How so?

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/sto...again-forced-turn-russia-help-syria/83787922/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kerry-announces-fresh-talks-russia-syria-214015835.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/kerry-us-russia-syria-al-nusra/

The war mongering thing will have to wait until I'm at a real computer.

 

[realibrad]

Well then you're looking for a moral purity that will never exist at any place in the world, ever. This is simply not a realistic way to look at politics. As the saying goes, it ain't beanbag.

No. I am not looking for purity, but at the very least they should not be complacent about this type of thing. I is expected, but never okay. You would never apply your logic to any other problem, so I am not sure why its okay here.

Not really, assuming no email hack it's the smart and rational thing to do. You have a guy who can't win who is resorting to increasingly desperate tactics to change that. Bad for the party, bad for elections. The primary process is a Democratic Party process and they want to use it to get the best candidate possible. I'm quite certain this happens in literally every primary. Why wouldn't it?

What did Bernie do that was so bad? The only thing I really know of is him saying in veiled words that the system was rigged, and he seems right. I did not follow it much, so maybe there were other things, but what did he do that was so bad?

Wait, you want to call out an organization created for the explicit purpose of electing Democrats for... trying to elect Democrats? That's baffling. Or are you saying organizations built to further political party objective are 'shit'? If so, maybe politics isn't your thing.

No. I want to call out an organization that represents 1 of 2 political parties in our country for being biased and not democratic. This type of thing, while being expected, is wrong. People should understand that the DNC is shit, but maybe just a little less shitty than the alternative. The electorate knowing what is going on can only be for the good.

This is pretty bad, but our standards are low. We will never improve anything if we just accept this as something inherent.

 

[realibrad]

Political parties, by their very nature, are political machines. None of them are supportive of outsiders nor am I really sure why they must be held to such a standard. From my perspective the positions of the party, it's membership, and how they are likely to govern take far more precedence than exactly how the political sausage is made.

The question is do you think this is a good thing? Aside from if its even possible to have it different, do you think its good that this type of thing goes on?

To me, just because this is the least bad option, or that we may not even have another option, does not make this good.

 

[fskimospy]

No. I am not looking for purity, but at the very least they should not be complacent about this type of thing. I is expected, but never okay. You would never apply your logic to any other problem, so I am not sure why its okay here.

I actually apply that logic to every problem. I am basically the last person you will ever see resort to purity tests. I have seen nothing here that is particularly bad outside of that one email, which is actually surprisingly mild.

What did Bernie do that was so bad? The only thing I really know of is him saying in veiled words that the system was rigged, and he seems right. I did not follow it much, so maybe there were other things, but what did he do that was so bad?

He was attacking the person who was actually going to win the nomination on basically a daily basis. That's just giving ammo to her eventual opponent. Dumb.

No. I want to call out an organization that represents 1 of 2 political parties in our country for being biased and not democratic.

How is it not democratic? That doesn't make any sense. I'm genuinely confused as to what you want me to call out. You seem to be upset that political parties exist and look after their own interests, but I have no idea how political parties could ever function in any other way.

This type of thing, while being expected, is wrong. People should understand that the DNC is shit, but maybe just a little less shitty than the alternative. The electorate knowing what is going on can only be for the good.

I think it would be better for the electorate to have a stronger grasp of what political parties are. This isn't shit, this is literally the process of human political behavior. It is not special to the DNC and not special to America.

This is pretty bad, but our standards are low. We will never improve anything if we just accept this as something inherent.

I find this to be exceptionally mild. I cannot imagine any reality in which a political party operates the way you're saying they should, and if they did they would be quickly steamrolled by other actors until they stopped doing it. It's just not how the world works.

 

[sportage]

Let the party begin

 

[OrByte]

So, I'm supposed to be upset that a political organization was conducting politics for the sake of a politician?

Did anyone believe the DNC was NOT trying to get Bernie Sanders out of the race?

Freaking Bernie Sanders had ZERO chance of winning and chose to drag HRC through an expensive primary anyway...I'd say he earned the ire of many in the DNC.

I'm more concerned that Russia is friends with Trump and is trying to influence our election to favor Trump.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

How does this come to a surprise to anyone? At least with the GOP you know where you stand and you know there are elements within it that are openly working to oust the old guard and those openly looking to keep the old guard in control. With Dem's its old guard all the way whether you like it or not. Now go vote Democrat like a good little obedient drone because they have your interest in mind right???? LOL

Then again, if I were a Bernie supporter I'd be pissed as hell. Just think about it for a second.

What did old Bernie get in return for selling out and endorsing SHILL-ary Clinton??

A cheap committee seat?

Or did he just endorse like a good little Democrat Drone because that was the order he was given??

Nevermind the fact that the DNC and the left-wing media on their side basically viewed him and his supporters as a joke. Damn that Philly convention is going to make the GOP convention look like a book club meeting. That is unless the DNC and SHILL-ary have the cops come in a basically put the smack down on anyone that so much as looks at her cross-eyed direction.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

So, I'm supposed to be upset that a political organization was conducting politics for the sake of a politician?

Did anyone believe the DNC was NOT trying to get Bernie Sanders out of the race?

Freaking Bernie Sanders had ZERO chance of winning and chose to drag HRC through an expensive primary anyway...I'd say he earned the ire of many in the DNC.

I'm more concerned that Russia is friends with Trump and is trying to influence our election to favor Trump.

Russia is friends with Trump???

Do you have any actual evidence other then the false and knee-jerk crap accusation that the SHILL-ary campaign staffers have put out to distract from the well know fact know of her being appointed queen of the Democrat party from day one??

 

[Pens1566]

Something about a mountain and a mole hill ...

 

[K1052]

The question is do you think this is a good thing? Aside from if its even possible to have it different, do you think its good that this type of thing goes on?

To me, just because this is the least bad option, or that we may not even have another option, does not make this good.

It think it's being realistic instead of being idealistic. I'd rather a lot of things change but given the low likelihood of that happening I'm going to vote for the party that most closely relates to my political views.

 

[emperus]

I'm more concerned that Russia is friends with Trump and is trying to influence our election to favor Trump.

Can anyone imagine if this was a Democrat? Imagine the revelation that Russia may have hacked the RNC server and dumped these emails, coupled with a candidate saying that he would not automatically support a Nato ally if attacked by Russia coupled with the candidate's praise for Putin? THe right would be apoplectic. I could already hear the chorus from the right: "The candidate is a secret plant by Russia and secretly trying to subvert the USA to make Russia stronger".

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/sto...again-forced-turn-russia-help-syria/83787922/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kerry-announces-fresh-talks-russia-syria-214015835.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/kerry-us-russia-syria-al-nusra/

The war mongering thing will have to wait until I'm at a real computer.

None of that shows the Admin has been outwitted in Syria.

 

[emperus]

Russia is friends with Trump???

Do you have any actual evidence other then the false and knee-jerk crap accusation that the SHILL-ary campaign staffers have put out to distract from the well know fact know of her being appointed queen of the Democrat party from day one??

Nytimes, I beleive front page.

As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue
Proving the source of a cyberattack is notoriously difficult. But researchers have concluded that the national committee was breached by two Russian intelligence agencies, which were the same attackers behind previous Russian cyberoperations at the White House, the State Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. And metadata from the released emails suggests that the documents passed through Russian computers. Though a hacker claimed responsibility for giving the emails to WikiLeaks, the same agencies are the prime suspects. Whether the thefts were ordered by Mr. Putin, or just carried out by apparatchiks who thought they might please him, is anyone’s guess.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/u...e-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

WashPost articel about Trump and Russia

Inside Trump’s financial ties to Russia and his unusual flattery of Vladimir Putin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...dcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Something about a mountain and a mole hill ...

You know that huge mound of corruption Dem's keep brushing on the rug isn't getting any smaller. In fact it's pretty damn noticeable and smells like a awful lot like a turd to anyone paying attention.

 

[HomerJS]

I can only imagine the leftist circle jerk here if there was a republican email leak calling the effort to reach Hispanics as a 'taco bowl engagement'...yet to the usual apologists here, when the DNC does it, apparently it is not a big deal...

I said early in thread DWS should be fired.

Now you have to admit DNC did nothing different then RNC

DNC - anti-Bernie
RNC - anti-Donald

 

[OrByte]

Russia is friends with Trump???

Do you have any actual evidence other then the false and knee-jerk crap accusation that the SHILL-ary campaign staffers have put out to distract from the well know fact know of her being appointed queen of the Democrat party from day one??

It's pretty obvious.

 

[fskimospy]

Russia is friends with Trump???

Do you have any actual evidence other then the false and knee-jerk crap accusation that the SHILL-ary campaign staffers have put out to distract from the well know fact know of her being appointed queen of the Democrat party from day one??

Go read RT every day for a week and then come back and see who you think the Russian government wants to win.

This hack appears likely to have been the work of Russian intelligence services. Why would they do this unless they thought Trump winning would be good for Russia?

 

[realibrad]

I actually apply that logic to every problem. I am basically the last person you will ever see resort to purity tests. I have seen nothing here that is particularly bad outside of that one email, which is actually surprisingly mild.

Again, its not even really about the details, its the fact that the organization was conspiring behind the scenes to pick one over the other. The people should elect their person, not the DNC. Not sure why you are talking about purity tests.

I will say this, its not like they were trying to spread lies, or misrepresenting his views. The issue is that the primary is marketed as the process that the Democrats elect their representative, and that is not the full truth.

He was attacking the person who was actually going to win the nomination on basically a daily basis. That's just giving ammo to her eventual opponent. Dumb.

Its far better to get this to come out and deal with it in the primary than it is to let it come out later. If you are trying to be a pragmatist, then you should see that.

What you are saying though, is you dont want the people voting with all the information because it could be ammo for the other side.

An election where people do not know who they are voting for is not really democracy. That is unless putting down 1 or 2 as the option and nothing else is democracy to the DNC.

How is it not democratic? That doesn't make any sense. I'm genuinely confused as to what you want me to call out. You seem to be upset that political parties exist and look after their own interests, but I have no idea how political parties could ever function in any other way.

Parties can look after their interests and be transparent. Also, see above. Not knowing the details is a problem.

I think it would be better for the electorate to have a stronger grasp of what political parties are. This isn't shit, this is literally the process of human political behavior. It is not special to the DNC and not special to America.

People can be shitty. Just because its a process made by people does not make it less so. Just because this is standard political behavior does not mean its good. Murder is part of human behavior and in no way should we be accepting of that. This is what I meant when I said you would never apply this logic to other problems. Saying its standard does not mean it should be accepted.

I find this to be exceptionally mild. I cannot imagine any reality in which a political party operates the way you're saying they should, and if they did they would be quickly steamrolled by other actors until they stopped doing it. It's just not how the world works.

If you were in a Walmart and you wanted a candy bar, but you forgot your wallet, would you steal it knowing nobody would find out? Most people have the ability to steal without being caught, but most people do not steal. Why?

If you want to accept this type of thing as inherent to politics then you are feeding into the problem. Nothing wrong with wanting to make anything a little better or at the very least trying.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Nytimes, I beleive front page

Umm...other then plastering trumps face on that webpage article conjuring up circumstantial bullshit innuendoes and conspiracy theories. There is ZERO, ZILCH, NADA connecting this to Trump. Hell I think Alex Jones has better conspiracy theories then that article.

Never mind the fact that it was Julian Assange's Wiki-Leaks that posted this hacked info and he is the type of guy that seems to like to expose the rot and filth of the elites around the world. Additionally we now know for a fact that Bernie was the joke candidate who endorsed Queen SHILL-ary. That is a fact which cannot be denied.

 

[hal2kilo]

I actually apply that logic to every problem. I am basically the last person you will ever see resort to purity tests. I have seen nothing here that is particularly bad outside of that one email, which is actually surprisingly mild.



He was attacking the person who was actually going to win the nomination on basically a daily basis. That's just giving ammo to her eventual opponent. Dumb.



How is it not democratic? That doesn't make any sense. I'm genuinely confused as to what you want me to call out. You seem to be upset that political parties exist and look after their own interests, but I have no idea how political parties could ever function in any other way.



I think it would be better for the electorate to have a stronger grasp of what political parties are. This isn't shit, this is literally the process of human political behavior. It is not special to the DNC and not special to America.



I find this to be exceptionally mild. I cannot imagine any reality in which a political party operates the way you're saying they should, and if they did they would be quickly steamrolled by other actors until they stopped doing it. It's just not how the world works.

First, it's the Democrats Party, the hierarchy of the party is, oh my fricking god, is made up of long time party loyalists. Bernie Sanders although siding regularly with the Democrats is not a party member which put him at a disadvantage to start with. I see longtime party members supporting a candidate that ensures continuity to the party principles. People discussing election strategy, covering all sorts of what ifs. Sounds like Bernie made the mistake of running for the Democratic party nomination instead of the Socialist party that he's so proud of being elected to the Senate on.

Political neophites get an education in politics 101.

 

[Jhhnn]

Russia is friends with Trump???

Do you have any actual evidence other then the false and knee-jerk crap accusation that the SHILL-ary campaign staffers have put out to distract from the well know fact know of her being appointed queen of the Democrat party from day one??

Putin obviously prefers Trump or the email dump never would have happened.

There's Trump's campaign manager-

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_s_made_a_career_of_reinventing_tyrants.html

Putin praises Trump effusively. It's bromance-

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing

 

[Knowing]

None of that shows the Admin has been outwitted in Syria.

The US was arming "moderate" terrorists in the region with the goal of over throwing the Assad regime. Despite that being a complete shit show, the US claimed victory when Putin stepped in militarily because Obama had "fooled" Putin in to fighting ISIS for us. Sadly, it turns out that they were making a whole bunch of dosh selling oil to our great ally Erdogan and after showing the world the wagon train of oil flowing in to Turkey he started blowing them up. (Something the US allied forces had never thought of) The US cried foul because Putin was killing our pet terrorists who were working toward the goal of overturning an elected leader and he had now forced concessions, a cease fire, and Secretariat of State Kerry is now committed to elections in Syria. Putin now exerts more influence in the region having the support of Assad and Iran.

The plan was awful to begin with and it only demonstrated how terrible it was over and over again when Putin acted and the US retreated from various red lines and grand claims.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Russia is friends with Trump???

Do you have any actual evidence other then the false and knee-jerk crap accusation that the SHILL-ary campaign staffers have put out to distract from the well know fact know of her being appointed queen of the Democrat party from day one??

Ummm...Trump wants to weaken NATO...you don't think Putin is creaming his jeans and wants him to win?!..lol

 

[senseamp]

All I am seeing here is a bunch of Republican "Bernie supporters" concern trolling the DNC.

 

[realibrad]

It think it's being realistic instead of being idealistic. I'd rather a lot of things change but given the low likelihood of that happening I'm going to vote for the party that most closely relates to my political views.

So then why not skip the pretense and just have the DNC decide who should be the candidate?