Do Americans even care anymore?

jread

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It's one of those rare times when I actually decide to share the thoughts that go through my mind on a daily basis. I usually don't think that what I have to say is all that important, but I think this is something that affects us all.

"Do we care anymore?"

What do I mean by this? I'll explain:

The United States is not the same country it used to be. Maybe this is a good thing in many ways, but I think it's a bad thing in most ways. We are borrowing more money from the rest of the world than we ever have before. We are in more personal debt than we've ever been in before (there was recently an article on MSN about the alarming amount of credit card debt racked up by Americans these days). We are destroying the countryside with suburban sprawl that is needless and wasteful. We are commuting miles and miles to work everyday, burning more gas, congesting already stressed roadways, creating more air pollution, losing quality time that we could spend with our families or doing other things we enjoy. We are eating more and more fast food, we are exercising less and less. We are shopping at Wal-Mart and Home Depot.... the very chains that have forced locally owned business to close down all across the country. We are spending less money on education. We don't buy products that say, "Made in the U.S.A." anymore. We are outsourcing more and more jobs to other countries. We have created an unsustainable monster of an economy that is going to eventually be our demise. We are losing our grasp on the very idea that we all grow up hoping to achieve: "The American Dream".

How did this happen? What are we going to do about it? We could all refuse to shop at chain stores, we buy a smaller home that is practical instead of the largest one we can find, we can create a larger market demand for housing that is closer to town and doesn't require hour-long commutes, we can drive more fuel-efficient vehicles (or walk, bike or take the bus), we could stop eating at fast food restaurants..... there are many things we can do. The ironic part is that we already *know* these things. We are just too distracted to really have time to think about them. The reality of it is that the average American is too busy trying to keep up with life. We have families to feed, bills to pay. If we can save money shopping at Walmart, then you can damn well bet that's where we're going to shop. If we can get a 2000 square foot home for the same price as a 1500 square foot home, regardless of distance from work or what farm was paved over to create it, you can bet we'll buy the larger home. We want the biggest, the best, the fastest, and.... the cheapest. We hate all of these negative things that are happening to our country and we recognize them, but we find it easier to look the other direction than actually do something about it. Do we just wait until it all blows up in our faces?

I don't know the answers. I can offer my biased and opinionated solutions, but I can't expect the rest of the country to ever realize that I know what's best for them (haha). I'll tell you what I think, but I also want to know what all of YOU think.

What I think is wrong:

1. Most people are stupid and/or apathetic.

2. People haven't been exposed to the finer things (i.e. good development, nice architecture, meaningful conversation etc.) to know any better.

3. Many, many Americans lead shallow lives concerned with the latest news regarding __________ (fill in your celebrity) rather than the big issues (war, oil dependence, loving each other, attuning to one's environment and neighborhood).

4. Americans don't want to face hard issues because we are L-A-Z-Y. Acknowledging a problem might actually mean doing something to address it.

5. Our government does not have our best interests in mind (duh).

My solutions:

1. We all need to read Walden.

2. We all need to watch Fight Club.

3. We need a reform of our public sectors.

4. We all need to freakin' slow down.



Thanks for reading and please respond (unless you don't care either).
 

LeiZaK

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And so... the demise of the American empire continues to spiral towards its inevitable end.
 

Nocturnal

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I don't think anyone cares. However, you will be lucky enough to say I told you so when it happens.
 

DivideBYZero

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Ahhhh, the world can be saved by Fight Club? Thank you for opening the door to enlightenment via pop-culture!




Imagine if we all watched Blade Runner! It's like a cautionary tale...
 

brainwrinkle

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Originally posted by: jread

2. We all need to watch Fight Club.

3. We need a reform of our public sectors.

4. We all need to freakin' slow down.

Definitely Fight Club, reform would be good, and slowndown would probably be good.
 

vladgur

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What I think is wrong:
1) People stereotyping others they never met
2) People generalizing about behavior of others they never met
3) Americans blaming Americans for all that is wrong in the world
4) People suggesting what others should in order to meet their idea of utopia
5) People crying wolf(i.e. globalization, outsorcing) instead of adapting to ever-changing world around them

My solutions:
a) dont do #1
b) dont do #2
c) dont do #3
d) dont do #4
e) dont do #5
 

deepred98

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america was more or less like the current state before Russia's sputnik scared the living Sh!t out of america and kicked america into gear

China should more or less have the same effect, so its basically up to america to, in the very near future, kick innovation, production, and its people back into place

However if america doesn't shape up, RED CHINA WILL RISE AGAIN! (which is cool with me cause i'm chinese)
 

imported_KirbsAw

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First of all, its not just america, its everybody.

Secondly, what makes you so sure you're not one of the stupid people?
 

jread

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Originally posted by: KirbsAw
First of all, its not just america, its everybody.

Secondly, what makes you so sure you're not one of the stupid people?


I never said I wasn't.
 

PingSpike

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I tried caring for awhile. It seemed like a waste of time. Not like it was going to any good.
 

Skunkwourk

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you do what you can, but in the end you do what you must to survive...

EDIT: That means doing whats best for YOU and your family. Sadly probably every time you come out ahead, its at the expense of someone else, thats capitalism for you...me me me
 

QurazyQuisp

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I think the root of many of our problems are stupid lawsuits. Stupid mal-practice lawsuits drive up costs of health care. Higher costs of healthcare drive companies to lower wages & lay people off. People make less money, but still spend the same, so we're going in debt. I think this is just one thing that needs to be fixed. But it's a good start at getting the factory jobs back. Another thing is our big companies aren't doing anything to fight off foreign competition ( IE General Motors) That's why Toyota will soon take GM's spot. There are a lot of problems that could easily be fixed with some legislation, but there are always people who don't look at the big picture and complain about it, so it never gets passed.
 

ITJunkie

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Originally posted by: vladgur
What I think is wrong:
1) People stereotyping others they never met
2) People generalizing about behavior of others they never met
3) Americans and the rest of the world blaming Americans for all that is wrong in the world
4) People suggesting what others should in order to meet their idea of utopia
5) People crying wolf(i.e. globalization, outsorcing) instead of adapting to ever-changing world around them

My solutions:
a) dont do #1
b) dont do #2
c) dont do #3
d) dont do #4
e) dont do #5

Generally a good call Vlad. I added one thing though

In regards to not buying "made in America"...Is anything made here anymore?
 

JS80

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Cliffs:
1) America is making forward progress
2) The rest of the world is not
 

Ornery

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The United States is not the same country it used to be. Maybe this is a good thing in many ways, but I think it's a bad thing in most ways. We are borrowing more money from the rest of the world than we ever have before. We are in more personal debt than we've ever been in before (there was recently an article on MSN about the alarming amount of credit card debt racked up by Americans these days).

What EXACTLY is the down side of this, comrade?


We are destroying the countryside with suburban sprawl that is needless and wasteful.

Who are you to decide what is "needed" and what isn't? If it wasn't "needed" or wanted, it wouldn't be built!


We are commuting miles and miles to work everyday, burning more gas, congesting already stressed roadways, creating more air pollution, losing quality time that we could spend with our families or doing other things we enjoy.

Some people willingly make that trade for a bigger home with a smaller mortgage than live elbow to elbow in expensive, crowded cities. That's they're choice, and it doesn't bother me a bit!


We are eating more and more fast food, we are exercising less and less.

I'll wager the food on your table at home has just about as much sugar, salt, fat and processing as most "fast food". Don't see a huge problem either way.


We are shopping at Wal-Mart and Home Depot.... the very chains that have forced locally owned business to close down all across the country.

You ever shop much at these "local mom & pop shops"? Well I did, and they always pissed me off with their ludicrous high prices. When you bitched to them about it, they'd just smirk at the fact that they had the only store in town, and could charge whatever the fvck they wanted. Hah, breaks my heart that the table is turned!


We are spending less money on education.

Your local teacher's salary sure hasn't been reduced, has it? Their union gets them raises no matter how dire the school system's budget is.


We don't buy products that say, "Made in the U.S.A." anymore. We are outsourcing more and more jobs to other countries. We have created an unsustainable monster of an economy that is going to eventually be our demise.
  1. :roll:
All for protectionism, eh? Screw that. If we can't make our fortunes via good old American ingenuity anymore, then we deserve to roll over and die. In the mean time, I very much enjoy the lower prices as an American consumer.


We are losing our grasp on the very idea that we all grow up hoping to achieve: "The American Dream".

As long as you fare better than your parents, you're "living the dream". Even our nation's poor own vehicles, televisions and are FAR better off than the average citizen only 100 years ago.
 
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