Do any of the GE FORCE 2 cards have real good 2D

[GNY]

I"m running Win Me and Win 2000. I play alot of game and also do Photo editing. Do any of the Ge Force 2 "S have Good enough 2d for Photo editing?? tx in advance!!

 

[Packet]

Most GF2's have desent 2D quality. Its definatly a good compramise between 2D and 3D when compaired to other products.
The ATI Readon has the best of both worlds. While not as fast 3D wise, its 2D is definatly better.

 

[Deeko]

Many people complain about the GF2's 2D quality. Both the Radeon and the V5 have better 2D, at any rate.

 

[lsd]

I have a elsa gf2 and I used it with a cheap 19" monitor @ 1280x1024 and my current 17" mag monitor @ 1024x768. The text is sharp and clearly defined on both. I do use adobe photoshop and 3d studio max and i have never had any visual problems. Since you're going to be running win2k, you can't go wrong with a gf2 .
However, i can't vouch for another other vendor except Elsa.

 

[Seeko]

From what I hear, Elsa and VisionTek have the best 2D of all the GeForce2 cards. I'll be picking up an Elsa Gladiac when prices go down some more.

 

[wj]

I just got an Elsa Gladiac MX card and it has good great 2D. A lot better than the TNT2 card I had.



wj

 

[BlueWeasel]

I just got a Leadtek WinFast GTS a few weeks ago that replaced my V3 AGP, and I had heard a lot about the "so called bad 2D" of the GTS cards.

I was not disappointed with the 2D of the Leadtek card. In fact it looks just as good as my V3 did in 2D, and that is pretty good in my book.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Don't forget LEADTEK they have great quality 2d and their cards are dirt cheap. great company and the card oc's very well.

 

[Packet]

I agree
I have a leadtek GF2 and with out any replacement of heatsink, or ramsinks

I run flawless at 230/383.

 

[MikeA]

Here's a third vote for the Leadtek, 220/400 with no extra cooling or problems. 2D is better then a Voodoo3 and Savage4 I have. Works great in Photoshop 6.0 and has far supperior OpenGL then other cards as Nvidia is partners with SGI (the creators of the OpenGL API).

 

[Hawk]

2d on most gf2s are good until you reach 1280 or above, so I've heard.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Leadtek really rocks, i suggest you find one and buy it. Almost everyone i know can oc theirs to 400 mhz for the memory. And if you are really worried about perf. at 1280X1024 and above then you shouldn't be getting a geforce or a voodoo 5 because neither will deliver truly topnotch performance (like the matrox g400). However if you want pretty good 2d at those res, and not superior top notch quality, go with the leadtek geforce 2.

 

[Spagina]

I have a Visiontek Geforce 2 GTS right now. I bought the OEM card w/64 mb DDR Ram standard and this card is rock solid. I even have this puppy cranking at 250 Mhz GPU/ 395 Mhz Ram with regular cooling and it's great. I bought it for $199, so I'm loving it.

 

[Smbu]

I have an Elsa Gladiac and I have no problems w/the 2d quality on my 19" FD Trinitron monitor(IBM P96) running at 1280x1024.

 

[RobsTV]

Visiontek GF2 GTS 32meg DDR OEM has great 2d here as well.
V3 3000's card it replaced, supposedly was one of the very best at 2d.
This GF2 GTS card is just as good if not better, so I guess the GF2 must
now be one of the very best at 2d, as it compares favorably to the V3.

 

[PeAK]

In the 2D sweepstakes, here is a comparitive ranking of cards based upon their 2D rating all in one table.

A link to a 2D summary table back in October 28, 2000.

If you want further information on the Radeon beyond the 2D aspects, you will be glad to know that he recent drivers (developed over the two months since that review) have taken advantage of programmability in the RGB interface to sharpen the 2D aspects of the card even further. In terms of stability, games compatability, image sharpness, and performance you can go check out the following driver discussion.

 

[RobsTV]

I thinks it's great that an ATI user gets into this discusion.
Especially how he points to his ATI based website for a table on 2d comparison.
Unfortunately, he is still using links from "value cards", and where the original reviewer mistakenly included the ATI Radeon street price in the $150 and under catagory. They left out the GF2 GTS cards street price, which were also under $150, and today can be found for around $130, which is comparable to the AT cards, or perhaps a little less. So of course without the GF2 GTS, the Radeon is the winner. Even though the ATI user points to incorrect comparisons, the link does state that the "2d on ALL GeForce2 MX cards is GOOD", while the Elsa cards are a whole lot "better than that" even. GF2 MX has Good 2d
BTW, Elsa doesn't manufacture cards, but instead has then made for them by Visiontek, which explains why everything including visual quality, is identical.

Once the ATI card is placed in the correct catagory by the same reviewer, (cards priced similiarly, but still giving a huge price advantage to ATI), then the ATI card scores 4th out of 8 cards, with 3 GF2 GTS cards ahead of it, even though the ATI card is priced less than any other card, and pricing was a major determining factor to final score. If true street pricing had been used, I'm sure it would have placed a lot lower.
Similiar card comparison

One last thing the the ATI users fails to mention. Since the original poster uses Win2k, that pretty much rules out ATI, unless you like messing with bugs instead of working or playing, as ATI drivers and W2k equal a disaster.

Just thought since Peak wanted to express his ATI views in this GF2 discusion, corrections were in order.

 

[bluemax]

This is a simple one...
ELSA, Visiontek & Leadtek (same?) have excellent 2D quality, as crisp and sharp as you could ever hope for.
EVERY OTHER GEFORCE-BASED CARD has crappy, fuzzy text at anything over 800x600. :|
Imagine my surprise when I tried out an ASUS v7100MX... ASUS was supposed to be pretty good! Yecch! It was more fuzzy than my chin after a week without shaving.

And of course, the ATI Radeon is being touted as excellent as well. Can't wait to find out for myself.

 

[PeAK]

"The road is long...with many a windin' turn"

Most of the Win2K comparisons came out when Nvidia released their Detonator Win2K drivers back in October and the criticisms regarding the 50% hit in framerate under Win2K (compared to Win98/ME) were valid. The recent Win2K drivers today, some say, might even offer a speed improvement over that of Win98/ME, to boot.

They are available here and are close cousins to the remarkable 7062 drivers discussed earlier. Third times a charm probably applies to the driver re-development activity at ATI. There are a lot of happy campers who are glad they gave Radeon a chance. I suggest you give it a try, Rob, it could not hurt much at $150. Later.

 

[slatt01]

I dont understand why people report problems with GF2 text display at high resolutions.

I have had a Hercules TNT and now a 3d prophet II MX and they both work fine at 1600x1280 on my IIYAMA Vision Master 17" monitor, even when using my hollywood+ passthough cable.

I normally use 1280x1024x32 @ 75Hz and it works just fine.

 

[bluemax]

Some people are just plain used to the fuzz.
I was on a TNT1 for almost two years, then moved to a Voodoo3... I was amazed by the difference on the desktop! :Q
If I hadn't made the move, I'd have never noticed the difference when I tried out that V7100MX... having GOOD 2D spoiled me.

There is without a doubt, a BIG difference!

 

[lsd]

<< Some people are just plain used to the fuzz >>


So maybe I'm also used to the fuzzy text on my old compcrap computer with intergrated ati rage II(?) chipset. The is no difference between my gladiac and the rage in 2d to me. That would mean the 10 million other people with dells,hp's and compaq's that have the rage are also used to &quot;fuzzy&quot; text.

 

[PeAK]

Yeppers....in away...

In the era of the RageII, 14&quot; and 15&quot; monitors were quite the norm running 800x600 or at most about 1024x768 resolution. With finer pitch resolutions like 1600x1200 on 21 inch monitors, the text size is the same but there is much more detail in the font and slight signal imperfections are readily visible. Sony monitors are just like like high-end speakers or a wide open window where all the dirt gets through.

 

[Cerb]

I have a GLADIAC GTS, and my 2d is definitely fuzzy. Moreso than my S3Virge was anyway. But my dad has a TNT in his machine (he doesn't game), and it plain drives me crazy how bad it is. What I think I will do to counter-act the fuzziness is get a CTX PL-7 or PL-9 for my next mintor (Their PL series are non-trinies with very sharp displays).

 

[bluemax]

Maybe you guys misread something... I said ELSA was GOOD, **GOOD** 2D quality!! ATI has always been pretty crisp too, slow though.