Do babies go to hell, and what's up with God-Jesus dying?

[MJinZ]

Do you deny being an atheist? Yes or no. You cant have it both ways because you are just playing games (ie. trolling). If organized religion is your hangup, then say so.

And because some people misuse the bible to do things they should not is no reason to bad mouth belief in God like you do. Thats like saying all cops around the world are bad just because some some of them take bribes. Criticize the individuals, not Gods message.

Look, it's Felix De Kitty Troll.

I would like to bring the millions of other Agnostics to your doorsteps so we can beat you with a mix of Bibles, Korans, and Aluminum Alloy baseball bats, let's see if you think we still can't have it "both ways".

Trololol.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Jesus is an anthropomorphism of the sun, a sun god based on the ancient Egyptian sun-god Amen (Amun-Ra). Religion is philosophy using metaphors. Religion is a mental disease. The truth shall set you free.

It's funny people always end prayers with Amen (eg, "In your name we pray, Amen") and they don't know what they are really saying...

Here's a pic of Jesus walking on water and wearing a crown of thorns:

 

[polarmystery]

It's been a while since the last religion thread...I guess it's due.

 

[Homerboy]

Jesus is an anthropomorphism of the sun, a sun god based on the ancient Egyptian sun-god Amen (Amun-Ra). Religion is philosophy using metaphors. Religion is a mental disease. The truth shall set you free.

It's funny people always end prayers with Amen (eg, "In your name we pray, Amen") and they don't know what they are really saying...

Here's a pic of Jesus walking on water and wearing a crown of thorns:

You sure about that?

Popular among some theosophists,[10] proponents of Afrocentric theories of history,[11] and adherents of esoteric Christianity [12][13] is the conjecture that amen is a derivative of the name of the Egyptian godAmun (which is sometimes also spelled Amen). Some adherents of Eastern religions believe that amen shares roots with the Sanskrit word, aum.[14] There is no academic support for either of these views. Note that the Hebrew word, as noted above, starts with aleph, while the Egyptian name begins with a yodh.[15]
There are unsubstantiated claims by some Hindu writers that "Amen" and "Amin" (Islam), came from the word "aum." [16][17][18]
Armenian word ամեն (pronounced /ˌɑːmˈɛn/) means every, however it is used in the same form for ending of prayers.[19]

 

[MJinZ]

The main issue Jesus addresses is loving your fellow man and letting God work in you so that you can get past your own selfish lust, selfish greed and selfish pride.

God is perfect; he will create a reality with us in it that incorporates what is perfect in us. For now existence is flawed, the birthing pains of our future reality: would you be who you are without your suffering? To have faith in Christ is to love others at the cost of selfishness. To love others at the cost of selfish desires is to love Christ.

All of this selflessness is not earned; it comes from God giving us the ability.

A baby has no concept of others; a baby cannot be selfish if it doesn't know there is selflessness. A baby is a potential for future love or harm, but before that state it is only a beauty that allows for us to love it.

Christ lives in every human and how we treat every human is how Christ will judge us for having treated him. Babies are the greatest of all of Gods saved creatures, not because they are 'innocent' but because they live entirely by grace and love. We should strive to be politically and socially aware enough to work against everything that increases infant mortality and work towards everything that decreases it. I truly hate how this loving idea has been co-opted by many institutions that seek the opposite outcome. This is what Christ stands for: love, selflessness and helping because it is the human-loving thing to do.

God became Jesus, this is impossible. Jesus-God had the needs of a man, this is also impossible. God-Jesus died because some guys nailed him to a tree for saying how it would be a good idea if we all were just nice to each-other, this too is impossible. God-as-man came back from the dead after three days, this is also... impossible. Jesus spoke, in the flesh and blood, to thousands who were willing to testify to the death that they encountered him, after his death, which is of course impossible. Christ Jesus was then raised into an ethereal reality where he now sits at the right hand of the creator of all existence (which he happens to also be) and prepares a place for those of us who love him, which as we all know is impossible as well.

SO! If you're able to believe in six impossible things before breakfast, why not top it off with self-denying faith in Christ? Faith doesn't make logical sense, but if you accept selfless-other-loving truth and side with God against yourself you'll have the most fulfilled existence possible!

I'm not trying to preach, not really. And I don't expect to convince anyone of anything: your world view is yours, that's cool, I don't think you're "wrong" just different. Jesus said he didn't come for the people that don't need him. He came for the crack-addicts and emotionally broken. I just wanted to clear up what seem like a number of misconceptions about the biblical Jesus.

I didn't really read all that, except the parts I glimpsed are well.. completely wrong.

1) Selfishness is a natural imperative and has no moral implications.

Selfishness is *necessary* for life to exist, as each organism attempts to organize and create higher structures for itself, at the cost of the environment and others.

2) A Baby is the most selfish thing in the world

Man's concept of selfishness necessarily derives from self-awareness AND social interaction.

A baby has neither, and thus, is interested ONLY in their own well being. The world is their oyster, and the baby is the center of it. It cries, wails, does anything with no regard for anything else except it's own well being.
It follows its natural instincts for selfishness better than any other.
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[Juddog]

Your Non Belief is Impossible.


“For we walk by faith, not by sight.' II Corinthians 5:7”

Actually it's fully possible, what is impossible is your ability to comprehend it.

 

[BAMAVOO]

You are quoting words written by a dude.

i can play that game too.


General Douglas MacArthur (1880 - 1964)

Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons.

A better world shall emerge based on faith and understanding.
Douglas MacArthur


Party on Garth.

 

[BAMAVOO]

2 More from your quoted MAN

And like the old soldier in that ballad, I now close my military career and just fade away, an old soldier who tried to do his duty as God gave him the sight to see that duty.
Douglas MacArthur

Build me a son, O Lord, who will be strong enough to know when he is weak, and brave enough to face himself when he is afraid, one who will be proud and unbending in honest defeat, and humble and gentle in victory.
Douglas MacArthur

 

[FeuerFrei]

The main issue Jesus addresses is loving your fellow man and letting God work in you so that you can get past your own selfish lust, selfish greed and selfish pride.

God is perfect; he will create a reality with us in it that incorporates what is perfect in us. For now existence is flawed, the birthing pains of our future reality: would you be who you are without your suffering? To have faith in Christ is to love others at the cost of selfishness. To love others at the cost of selfish desires is to love Christ.

All of this selflessness is not earned; it comes from God giving us the ability.

A baby has no concept of others; a baby cannot be selfish if it doesn't know there is selflessness. A baby is a potential for future love or harm, but before that state it is only a beauty that allows for us to love it.

Christ lives in every human and how we treat every human is how Christ will judge us for having treated him. Babies are the greatest of all of Gods saved creatures, not because they are 'innocent' but because they live entirely by grace and love. We should strive to be politically and socially aware enough to work against everything that increases infant mortality and work towards everything that decreases it. I truly hate how this loving idea has been co-opted by many institutions that seek the opposite outcome. This is what Christ stands for: love, selflessness and helping because it is the human-loving thing to do.

God became Jesus, this is impossible. Jesus-God had the needs of a man, this is also impossible. God-Jesus died because some guys nailed him to a tree for saying how it would be a good idea if we all were just nice to each-other, this too is impossible. God-as-man came back from the dead after three days, this is also... impossible. Jesus spoke, in the flesh and blood, to thousands who were willing to testify to the death that they encountered him, after his death, which is of course impossible. Christ Jesus was then raised into an ethereal reality where he now sits at the right hand of the creator of all existence (which he happens to also be) and prepares a place for those of us who love him, which as we all know is impossible as well.

SO! If you're able to believe in six impossible things before breakfast, why not top it off with self-denying faith in Christ? Faith doesn't make logical sense, but if you accept selfless-other-loving truth and side with God against yourself you'll have the most fulfilled existence possible!

I'm not trying to preach, not really. And I don't expect to convince anyone of anything: your world view is yours, that's cool, I don't think you're "wrong" just different. Jesus said he didn't come for the people that don't need him. He came for the crack-addicts and emotionally broken. I just wanted to clear up what seem like a number of misconceptions about the biblical Jesus.

Well you got a lot right. Except "faith doesn't make logical sense" doesn't make sense. And worldviews aren't arbitrary - there are wrong and right views. Also the statement that Jesus "didn't come for the people that don't need him" could be rephrased for more truthiness. He came to "seek and to save that which were lost" and "came not into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved" and did "not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Plus what's impossible on a human level, is possible with God.

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[William Gaatjes]

tl dr. Religion is a pile of crap

Wonderful picture.

 

[nageov3t]

Wonderful picture.

damn those wily Christians for causing the black plague, the sack of Rome, and stifling scientific advances in first century Asia, Africa, and the middle east.

 

[Homerboy]

damn those wily Christians for causing the black plague, the sack of Rome, and stifling scientific advances in first century Asia, Africa, and the middle east.

Heeeeeeeeeey. I see what you did there!

 

[El Guaraguao]

Ive always said that if I wanted to share my "beliefs" to others, we could go to a museum and see and touch in what I believe in. On the other hand, if a believer (gonna say Christians here) Id have to go to church and close my eyes and make pretend and listen to another man try and give me a guilt trip.


/druuuuuuuuunk

 

[MotF Bane]

damn those wily Christians for causing the black plague, the sack of Rome, and stifling scientific advances in first century Asia, Africa, and the middle east.

Well, they didn't cause the black plague. But okay!

 

[bignateyk]

Hopefully. If heaven is full of screaming babies, count me out.

 

[Regs]

Religion is dying. Give it a couple of generations and as science makes more medical advances and we clean up the planet we shall do away with 2000plus year old silly beliefs.

People cannot distinguish between faith and their very own humanity. How quick are we to point our finger at religion as the problem, when we should know it was us all along doing the deed? If it's not religion, than we simply blame countless other causes for our lack of progress, productivity, and control.

If religion is dying, what human will think they can take the proverbially role or place of God? I can think of a few people who tried: Adolf Hitler, Madolf, Hussein, Sayyid Ali Khamenei, and every King before then.

As corrupt, immoral, and inept creatures such as we are, might have no choice but our faith to keep the very delicate balance from unraveling. If you say "faith is dying", then I am very scared for our future, God being real or not.

I don't believe you understand the gravity and seriousness of our nature. We are all born naturally as chaotic creations, being controlled by a system put in place long before your ancestors where born. What if that system did not exist anymore? To me, it would be like lifting the cage away from the lions den.

 

[preslove]

Un-babtized babies go to heaven, but when they get there the spirits of dead priests molest them.

 

[zinfamous]

what...

his OP is more about how he loves Jesus but despises Religion. Such ideas really are not in conflict.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

The first circle is for the unbaptized and virturous non-christians so that's where they go.

 

[Malak]

his OP is more about how he loves Jesus but despises Religion. Such ideas really are not in conflict.

Most of the faults people have are with people, not religion. Too often people blame a whole religion for the acts of people not related in anyway. Just because someone says they are Christian or claims to do something in the name of God doesn't mean they are in any way related. Like the people that were plotting to kill cops, they were called Christian militants. That's just dumb.

 

[destrekor]

oh fuck I just read way to much of the OP.

eek.

 

[JeepinEd]

"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him." -Arthur C Clarke

This is my belief.

 

[quikah]

Pretty sure there was a thing called the Black Death in there. Hard to advance scientifically when the central power, the Romans, collapses and followed by major plagues.

But, I generally agree. We could be like the Tolans from SG1 right now.

The Black Death occurred in the 14th century, the start of the Renaissance.

There was a plague that struck the Eastern Roman empire in the 6th & 7th century, but I am not sure you can blame the Dark Ages on that.

 

[Russwinters]

I feel like people here are discrediting religion because it has been actually proven to be false. It hasn't. Has it been proven to be true? Nope. That is what belief is all about.


I think a lot of people have some sense of power believing that the Human Race is somehow highly advanced and we somehow have unlocked the secrets to the universe or something, and have thus proven that there is no God, etc.

We haven't. In fact, The human race knows jack shit about...well...basically everything.


1000 years from now (if we still exist) we will laugh at our own false sense of knowledge.


Things are going to be discovered that will change everything, I am sure.


There are too many unanswered questions to discredit even some such as religion.

 

[destrekor]

Jesus is an anthropomorphism of the sun, a sun god based on the ancient Egyptian sun-god Amen (Amun-Ra). Religion is philosophy using metaphors. Religion is a mental disease. The truth shall set you free.

It's funny people always end prayers with Amen (eg, "In your name we pray, Amen") and they don't know what they are really saying...

Here's a pic of Jesus walking on water and wearing a crown of thorns:

heh heh heh. I like the photo!


Anywhoo... so this whole God thing?

God is everything. You, zebras, those fucking pathogens, the Sun... the sun's blasts of "fuck you Earth" CMEs... the galaxy itself, and well - every single cosmic particle in this vast entity we refer to as the Universe - and actually, every single who-knows-the-fuck-what-to-call-them thing in any multiverse or... :hmm:

But it is not alive. It does not think - it does not judge - it does not have soul or whatever. It is law - the solutions to the equations, even for ones we have not yet discovered the solution. Nature, the Universal Laws, or God, they are all merely different names that represent the very same thing.

That is the opinion of God that I share with Einstein.