Do Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God?

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sandorski

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We need to look at the characterisitics of the God's in question.

The christian and jewish Gods are the same, to an extent. Jews believe in the old testament God. They don't believe Jesus was the promised messiah. So christians live under the new 'law,' the law that states that salvation is given and not earned.

Allah's characteristics are similar to the Jewish/christian God but there are differences that make a huge impact.

God is three, allah is one.
allah may allow sinners into heaven or prevent 'good' people from entering at his will while God will allow all who repent and believe in him.
Allah causes people to sin while God offers freedom from it (Allah says he gives each man a bit of adultery he must commit).

Allah is very different, or at least the descriptions of what each book says about them. I have read the bible and have yet to read the whole quran, but it's on my list of things to do.

"God" is only 3 in Christianity. Of the 3 Religions, the Christian view of "God" is the view that is the most different on that criteria alone, but it is most different in other aspects as well. Both the Jewish and Muslim "God" give direct commands to commit Violence, for eg.
 

IronWing

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The Bedouin could not look for God within him: he was too sure that he was within God.

- T.E. Lawrence

I understand that Lawrence was viewing Islam from an imperial British Christian perspective but his observation matches fairly well the thoughts expressed in much Sufi music.
 

moonbogg

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Jewish god was invented. Christian god borrowed it and modified or added to it. Muslim god borrowed from that and modified it. None of them worship any god. These gods are imaginary.
 
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Jewish god was invented. Christian god borrowed it and modified or added to it. Muslim god borrowed from that and modified it. None of them worship any god. These gods are imaginary.

No proof god actually exist. And it's much better to consider the democracy of god rather than a single ruler.

Just imagine a single god whose views, virtues, ideas don't match your own understanding of right and wrong. It would be such a disaster from that point of view. Can't really imagine everybody to talk, learn, do, eat, love, live in the same way. Simply retard mentality to beleive in single god.
Either don't beleive any or beleive them to be many for all.
 

dennilfloss

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I observed it. Roman Catholics are nowhere near as exuberant about Jesus as Protestants are. One time I went to a Roman congregation with a friend and the name "Jesus" was never even mentioned by the priest over a whole hour.

That was during bingo.

As to the OP, if all three religion believe there is only one God, then logic dictates that they are worshiping the same entity. What differs is their understanding of He/She/It (in essence, accomplishments and in what the deity requires of us) and their manner of worship.
 

Franz316

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Worship the sun, it's the proven source of all life on Earth. And you can see it!
 

JEDIYoda

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if all three religion believe there is only one God, then logic dictates that they are worshiping the same entity.
not true at all.....
Logic dictates nothing.

Each god can be totally different from the other god!
Logic dictates nothing except for false irrational thinking!!
 

Jaskalas

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Do Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God?

If there is a creator then there is just one. It is merely human tribalism that separates the notion of a creator into different languages (God, Allah, etc.) and different stories. I suggest it is wrong to give deeper meaning behind those differences.
 
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If there is a creator then there is just one. It is merely human tribalism that separates the notion of a creator into different languages (God, Allah, etc.) and different stories. I suggest it is wrong to give deeper meaning behind those differences.

One creator is purely impossible and false. As the creator and it's consciousness needs to be made/created by numerous other elements and simplified creators that gave rise to the bigger creator. The one who you think is the only one that exist which is completely wrong.
 

disappoint

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Yes I believe all religions worship the same God. I also believe that most followers of those religions are not aware of this because they are unaware of the true nature of God. This includes you (the OP) as in your OP you answered your own question with no.

Therefore I will attempt to make you aware of what I consider to be God in my thread in this sub forum titled: "Your thoughts on God if you please." You are most welcome there to post any thoughts you may have on the subject.
 

Agent11

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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but there are Christian sects that do not believe in the trinity, and recognize Jesus as god's son, not god.

Whether Christians believe in the trinity or not however they are still worshiping the same god as the Jews; They just believe that a prophesy has already been fulfilled that the Jews are still waiting on.

I am not too familiar with Islamic beliefs, however they are an Abrahamic religion and as such believe in the God of Abraham.
 
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ThinClient

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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but there are Christian sects that do not believe in the trinity, and recognize Jesus as god's son, not god.

Whether Christians believe in the trinity or not however they are still worshiping the same god as the Jews; They just believe that a prophesy has already been fulfilled that the Jews are still waiting on.

I am not too familiar with Islamic beliefs, however they are an Abrahamic religion and as such believe in the God of Abraham.

The Bible does not say that god is a 3-part god. It does not mention the trinity anywhere. There are only TWO verses in the entire bible that describe a multiple-personality deity. If you pull both of the verses out of context and combine their ideas, it still takes a literary leap of faith to conclude that the Bible is even suggesting a trinity of any kind.

Islam teaches that Jesus was not divine, but that both Jesus and Mohammed were prophets of the same god.
 
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The Bible does not say that god is a 3-part god. It does not mention the trinity anywhere. There are only TWO verses in the entire bible that describe a multiple-personality deity. If you pull both of the verses out of context and combine their ideas, it still takes a literary leap of faith to conclude that the Bible is even suggesting a trinity of any kind.

Islam teaches that Jesus was not divine, but that both Jesus and Mohammed were prophets of the same god.

Islam actually tries to bellitle other religions by its many theories. It thrives and survives by destroying your own beliefs. It had the advantage and privilege to be a newer religion compared to christians, jews etc. So, no other religion can actually defend itself against the explanation of quran.

Also, it tries to prove that this new religion is actually older than all others. And the proof and claim is in the book itself. :-D
 
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ThinClient

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Islam actually tries to bellitle other religions by its many theories. It thrives and survives by destroying your own beliefs. It had the advantage and privilege to be a newer religion compared to christians, jews etc. So, no other religion can actually defend itself against the explanation of quran.

Also, it tries to prove that this new religion is actually older than all others. And the proof and claim is in the book itself. :-D

I like you
 

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One creator is purely impossible and false. As the creator and it's consciousness needs to be made/created by numerous other elements and simplified creators that gave rise to the bigger creator. The one who you think is the only one that exist which is completely wrong.

Why can't the creator just create itself? Why couldn't the universe just have created itself?
 
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Why can't the creator just create itself? Why couldn't the universe just have created itself?

Well, the theory of creator is flawed itself. Even if something gets created by itself(random permutation and combination). Still, it won't have the knowledge to create others or complex things such as the universe and living organisms etc. Until or unless it gains that knowledge by other smaller creators or gradual experience.

You say that the creator created itself. I would ask you from what did the creator created itself?
The obvious answer is the smaller creators(even protons, electrons, quarks etc are creators) created that entity you call as god.
The whole universe is like clay. You can create anything if you have the knowledge. But, the universal knowledge doesn't come to an entity just by being created. There is no vault or gift of knowledge waiting for you or your singular creator.

Knowledge have to be known or taught or created first by smaller or other creators before you/creator can make use of it. So, there can never be a single creator.
 

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Well, the theory of creator is flawed itself. Even if something gets created by itself(random permutation and combination). Still, it won't have the knowledge to create others or complex things such as the universe and living organisms etc. Until or unless it gains that knowledge by other smaller creators or gradual experience.

Why not? You haven't convinced me why this is not possible.

You say that the creator created itself. I would ask you from what did the creator created itself?

From a very large quantity of energy.

The obvious answer is the smaller creators(even protons, electrons, quarks etc are creators) created that entity you call as god.

No, those elementary particles were created after the very beginning. Though they take part in what is being created now.

The whole universe is like clay. You can create anything if you have the knowledge. But, the universal knowledge doesn't come to an entity just by being created. There is no vault or gift of knowledge waiting for you or your singular creator.

Knowledge have to be known or taught or created first by smaller or other creators before you/creator can make use of it. So, there can never be a single creator.

I don't see as much similarity between clay and the universe as you seem to.

To me, knowledge came about from an intense amount of energy that expanded and branched out and formed what we see today, all on it's own. I don't see the need for something outside of the universe to mold it's progress.
 
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Why not? You haven't convinced me why this is not possible.



From a very large quantity of energy.



No, those elementary particles were created after the very beginning. Though they take part in what is being created now.



I don't see as much similarity between clay and the universe as you seem to.

To me, knowledge came about from an intense amount of energy that expanded and branched out and formed what we see today, all on it's own. I don't see the need for something outside of the universe to mold it's progress.

Is there absolutely any single example in the world that can create itself and then create others as well without having any pre knowledge of the same?? (what a fantasy that something like god can do that).

Would you mind telling me what large quantities of energy you are referencing to?

How are you so sure that the basic elements like quarks (other small undiscovered particles matter and anti matter) didn't exist before the origin of the universe?

I too don't see the need for any outside source to start the process of universe. That you call as God.

Universe is very much like clay. You can create anything if you have the knowledge(ever heard of quantum mechanics, matter and anti matter?).
 

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Is there absolutely any single example in the world that can create itself and then create others as well without having any pre knowledge of the same?? (what a fantasy that something like god can do that).

Why would there have to be an example of the universe in the world?

Would you mind telling me what large quantities of energy you are referencing to?

All the energy in the universe.

How are you so sure that the basic elements like quarks (other small undiscovered particles matter and anti matter) didn't exist before the origin of the universe?

Would it make sense for something in the universe to exist before the origin of the universe?

I too don't see the need for any outside source to start the process of universe. That you call as God.

Universe is very much like clay. You can create anything if you have the knowledge(ever heard of quantum mechanics, matter and anti matter?).
You can create anything out of clay? Really? How about the entire universe? Can you create that out of clay? Assuming you had as much knowledge as possible in the universe?
 

sandorski

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Would it make sense for something in the universe to exist before the origin of the universe?

In the Universe? No.

That would be silly. However, the Universe itself could be "In" something, a Universe existed before, or some other possible existence preceded it.
 

ThinClient

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In the Universe? No.

That would be silly. However, the Universe itself could be "In" something, a Universe existed before, or some other possible existence preceded it.

Insert the bathtub bubble theory of the multiverse
 
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Why would there have to be an example of the universe in the world?



All the energy in the universe.



Would it make sense for something in the universe to exist before the origin of the universe?


You can create anything out of clay? Really? How about the entire universe? Can you create that out of clay? Assuming you had as much knowledge as possible in the universe?

There have to be some or atleast one example of that in the universe to prove your point. If something like that doesn't exist than you are undoubtedly wrong about your assumption.

Again what all energy are you referencing to? Thesists have a tendency to reach conclusion without knowing or even trying to know about the facts. And term everything they don't understand as godly and divine. I beleive in logic and knowledge. If you don't have that, then it's better that you don't try to push your comments here as you cannot prove them even remotely.

Definately, it makes a lot of sense that the universe came into being by the amalgamation or combination of things that always existed in the universe before the origin of the known universe.

Ever heard of god particle/higs boson? The whole universe is made up of matter and anti matter, dark matter, fusion and fission etc. If our scientists can some day master and control these particles then surely smaller solar system and stars can be created by human beings themselves.
 

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God is ONE. No one has seen him/her. It is the Unique Energy Source powering the whole universe. There is a famous verse from Ramcharitmanas meaning that - "God will come to you in the same form as you will worship him". So as a matter of fact this our thinking and belief that gives the Unique Energy Source the body or some bodily figure.
 
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