Do conservatives not realize they look absolutely ridiculous with their conspiracy theories?

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MajinCry

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Crazy people do not all act like Alex Jones. Jill Stein is a 9/11 conspiracy person. That is crazy in my book. Does not mean she is as unhinged as Alex, and not all crazy people act like Alex.

So we don't have a leftie equivalent to Alex Jones. Glad we got that both sides bullshit sorted.
 

fskimospy

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This is a very dumb argument. It is incontrovertible truth that conspiracy theories do not have nearly the breadth or depth of purchase on the left that they do on the right. Finding a left wing personality or two who believe nutty things is just an attempt to #bothsides or to muddy the waters. The fundamental point of the thread, that the right wing is consumed by conspiracy nonsense, is true and we all know it.
 

realibrad

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So we don't have a leftie equivalent to Alex Jones. Glad we got that both sides bullshit sorted.

I mean he never said he did or that there was. Someone asked for a mainstream example of someone on the left pushing something like anti-vax so he did. You jumped in and asked which he does not think there can be an answer. I think that is weird that you are pressing him for that answer when he clearly does not think there is one. That makes this seem weird and makes me wonder why you want him to do so.
 

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The creepiest one I've heard recently--and generally I have removed all such nonsense from my FB feed--is veiled references to "sleeper cells" and how they (and the media, and "globalists") are the reasons that there is so much hate and divisiveness. This from a former law enforcement officer who says things like "this stuff was known to us but I can't really say more". These people are just so desperate to find an evil "other" to pin things on--if I was willing to be dogpiled in that thread (I wasn't, what's the point), I would have said: look in the mirror. This bs here is why the country is so divided.
 

realibrad

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This is a very dumb argument. It is incontrovertible truth that conspiracy theories do not have nearly the breadth or depth of purchase on the left that they do on the right. Finding a left wing personality or two who believe nutty things is just an attempt to #bothsides or to muddy the waters. The fundamental point of the thread, that the right wing is consumed by conspiracy nonsense, is true and we all know it.

Except that is not what happened at all now is it? Someone asked for a mainstream Left person that was pushing an anti-science idea and gave anti-vax as an example. That can be answered and yet you seem to think that the question was not asked. You were given the post that literally asked it, and yet you keep pushing this both sides thing even though the person literally said they are not equal.

So, how can a question that was asked not have been asked, and how can someone say something when they literally said the opposite? Only Spy can know that answer.
 

Starbuck1975

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So, reading comprehension isn't a strong suit for you or Star, I take it?

Don't know the meaning of mainstream? No, Star failed completely to point out any mainstream "left" conspiracy theories.
Alex Jones is not mainstream. He will never appear as a disinguished or respected panelist on CNN or write an opinion piece for NYT, or AP or WAPO. He is dismissed, defined and recognized as a fringe conspiracy theory nutjob. He has limited reach as a talk show radio personality, which limits both his appeal and exposure.
 

Amused

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You should reread what he said. He did not equate Jill Stein to Alex Jones. He said that of the Left, the Green party is where crazies end up.

You are trying to put his comments in the context of a question he is not trying to answer.

OK. We had this discussion. Jill Stein is FRINGE not mainstream as evidenced by not being able to run as or in the Democratic party.

The MAINSTREAM left has done a fairly good job at keeping the fringe out.

The MAINSTREAM right is virtually all fringe now With even Fox News running conspiratard stories as fact, denying real fact and featuring quacks like the Food Babe while the rest of the real media has long ago discredited her.

This thead is now "World of Bat Shit."

Please post all the examples of mainstream right-wing media, politician and political pundit bat shit you can find.

Because sometimes evidence is a gish best served galloped.
 

Starbuck1975

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I want the equivalent to Alex Jones, as you did the whole "both sides" pissdance. So you admit that there's no leftie equivalent to the unhinged reprobate with mercury poisoning.
Ok let’s dance. Define the objective criteria by which you will establish equivalence.
 

fskimospy

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Alex Jones is not mainstream. He will never appear as a disinguished or respected panelist on CNN or write an opinion piece for NYT, or AP or WAPO. He is dismissed, defined and recognized as a fringe conspiracy theory nutjob. He has limited reach as a talk show radio personality, which limits both his appeal and exposure.

So the person the president is apparently repeatedly calling isn't mainstream? Give me a break.
 
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Amused

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Alex Jones is not mainstream. He will never appear as a disinguished or respected panelist on CNN or write an opinion piece for NYT, or AP or WAPO. He is dismissed, defined and recognized as a fringe conspiracy theory nutjob. He has limited reach as a talk show radio personality, which limits both his appeal and exposure.

Alex Jones is not accepted by the mainstream media, but he and Rush Limbaugh ARE mainstream right-wing political pundits. As evidenced by GOP politicians parroting their taking points and Hannity doing the same on Fox.

Nope, sorry, but your claim is weak and transparent. It's like saying CNN is not mainstream because it's not on Fox.
 

MajinCry

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I mean he never said he did or that there was. Someone asked for a mainstream example of someone on the left pushing something like anti-vax so he did. You jumped in and asked which he does not think there can be an answer. I think that is weird that you are pressing him for that answer when he clearly does not think there is one. That makes this seem weird and makes me wonder why you want him to do so.

I explicitly asked for the left wing equivalent to Alex Jones. He came up with a couple answers, both of which are bullshit. Quit trying to suck Buck's cock and admit he's peddling bullshit.
 

realibrad

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OK. We had this discussion. Jill Stein is FRINGE not mainstream as evidenced by not being able to run as or in the Democratic party.

The MAINSTREAM left has done a fairly good job at keeping the fringe out.

The MAINSTREAM right is virtually all fringe now With even Fox News running conspiratard stories as fact, denying real fact and featuring quacks like the Food Babe while the rest of the real media has long ago discredited her.

This thead is now "World of Bat Shit."

Please post all the examples of mainstream right-wing media, politician and political pundit bat shit you can find.

Because sometimes evidence is a gish best served galloped.

So let me ask you the following, is Robert Kennedy an example of a mainstream Left person pushing an anti-science conspiracy?
 

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The creepiest one I've heard recently--and generally I have removed all such nonsense from my FB feed--is veiled references to "sleeper cells" and how they (and the media, and "globalists") are the reasons that there is so much hate and divisiveness. This from a former law enforcement officer who says things like "this stuff was known to us but I can't really say more". These people are just so desperate to find an evil "other" to pin things on--if I was willing to be dogpiled in that thread (I wasn't, what's the point), I would have said: look in the mirror. This bs here is why the country is so divided.

It's really a scary cycle of escalation.

There's an appetite for consuming that type of propaganda and dis-information. You have a president that panders to that. A multi-million dollar a month troll farm in Russia cranking out posts, memes and retweets promoting those ideas, and social media platforms that are struggling to handle all of it. It's one big feedback loop that ultimately starts with a mentality for accepting these ideas.
 

Phokus

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Alex Jones is not mainstream. He will never appear as a disinguished or respected panelist on CNN or write an opinion piece for NYT, or AP or WAPO. He is dismissed, defined and recognized as a fringe conspiracy theory nutjob. He has limited reach as a talk show radio personality, which limits both his appeal and exposure.

And yet he has trump's ear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=FJqLAleEnKw

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...-has-called-three-times-in-recent-months.html

http://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-says-president-trump-spends-executive-time-calling-him-790057

edit: ahahaha, infowars was granted whitehouse press credentials

http://www.businessinsider.com/infowars-granted-white-house-press-credentials-2017-5
 

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So let me ask you the following, is Robert Kennedy an example of a mainstream Left person pushing an anti-science conspiracy?

I'm a pretty regular consumer of MSNBC which is arguably one of the leaders of the "mainstream left". I've never heard any of this on there. I literally had to google this stuff because I've never been exposed to it any of my "main stream left" feeds.
 

realibrad

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I explicitly asked for the left wing equivalent to Alex Jones. He came up with a couple answers, both of which are bullshit. Quit trying to suck Buck's cock and admit he's peddling bullshit.

Tell me where you think he answered your question and was wrong.

I see one on #37
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...spiracy-theories.2538348/page-2#post-39319333

"What makes you think Alex Jones is mainstream?"

I see one answer on #64
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...spiracy-theories.2538348/page-3#post-39319442

"So what?

Trump also listened to, called into and appeared on Howard Stern. Does that make Stern a mainstream political commentator?

Trump also made donations to Democrats, and identified as such, until he decided to build a coalition of right wing fringe groups.

Now, if you want to comment on how the Republicans are a bunch of hypocrites for getting into bed with Trump, there is no argument there.

If you want examples of liberal commentators that have radio shows of equivalent audience reach and dabble in conspiracies, Robert Kennedy Jr comes to mind. Air America provided comparable commentary before it went under. Jill Stein and the Green Party is where all the liberal conspiracy nuts seem to land. Ground zero for the anti-vax movement was Marin County. The left is home to the 9/11 truther movement.

To say that the left is immune from fringe conspiracy theorists is to approach the question dishonestly."

So what did he say that was wrong?
 

Starbuck1975

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I explicitly asked for the left wing equivalent to Alex Jones. He came up with a couple answers, both of which are bullshit. Quit trying to suck Buck's cock and admit he's peddling bullshit.
I am saving my load just for you. You still haven’t defined OBJECTIVE criteria of what constitutes a mainstream persona.
 

fskimospy

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Anything with White House press credentials is basically mainstream by definition.

I don't understand why people are arguing so much against the self-evident reality that conservatism in the US has gone insane. (and by gone insane I mean went nuts about 20-30 years ago)
 
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MajinCry

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I am saving my load just for you. You still haven’t define OBJECTIVE criteria of what constitutes a mainstream persona.

Someone that recent presidents listen to, and one that either the Democrats or Republicans repeatedly use as a source.

We have Trump watching Alex Jones, so let's say...Obama. Who's the raging lunatic that Obama watches on the telly?
 

MajinCry

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Tell me where you think he answered your question and was wrong.

I see one on #37
...

So what did he say that was wrong?

That's the whole ruddy point; he hasn't answered my question. Instead he tiptoes and wanks his way around in a circle, refusing to give the left's equivalent to Alex Jones.
 
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realibrad

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I'm a pretty regular consumer of MSNBC which is arguably one of the leaders of the "mainstream left". I've never heard any of this on there. I literally had to google this stuff because I've never been exposed to it any of my "main stream left" feeds.

That is fine, but...

"Kennedy co-hosts Ring of Fire, a nationally syndicated American radio program, and has written or edited ten books, including two New York Times bestsellers and three children's books."

"Ring of Fire is a nationally syndicated American talk radio program hosted by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Mike Papantonio, Sam Seder, and Farron Cousins. The four hosts focus on "exposing Wall Street thugs, environmental criminality, corporate media failure, and political back stories that you will rarely find from any other source".[1] The show has been on the air since 2004 and is currently carried on 43 radio stations across the United States."
 

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That is fine, but...

"Kennedy co-hosts Ring of Fire, a nationally syndicated American radio program, and has written or edited ten books, including two New York Times bestsellers and three children's books."

"Ring of Fire is a nationally syndicated American talk radio program hosted by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Mike Papantonio, Sam Seder, and Farron Cousins. The four hosts focus on "exposing Wall Street thugs, environmental criminality, corporate media failure, and political back stories that you will rarely find from any other source".[1] The show has been on the air since 2004 and is currently carried on 43 radio stations across the United States."

There are 15,000 radio stations in the US. He's syndicated on 43. What is your point?
 
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realibrad

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That's the whole ruddy point; he hasn't answered my question. Instead he tiptoes and wanks his way around in a circle, refusing to give the left's equivalent to Alex Jones.

let me ask you this, how might someone defend equivalence if they do not believe there is an equivalence? If you are asking him to provide an example of something he does not think exists what would you expect?
 

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let me ask you this, how might someone defend equivalence if they do not believe there is an equivalence? If you are asking him to provide an example of something he does not think exists what would you expect?

But is the cat dead?
 
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