He is a mainstream person that reaches millions and has sold many many books. He is a mainstream person no?
If not then what would qualify as a mainstream person, because if its not the above, then Alex Jones is also not mainstream no?
There are 15,000 radio stations in the US. He's syndicated on 43. What is your point?
But is the cat dead?
let me ask you this, how might someone defend equivalence if they do not believe there is an equivalence? If you are asking him to provide an example of something he does not think exists what would you expect?
Anything with White House press credentials is basically mainstream by definition.
I don't understand why people are arguing so much against the self-evident reality that conservatism in the US has gone insane. (and by gone insane I mean went nuts about 20-30 years ago)
He is a mainstream person that reaches millions and has sold many many books. He is a mainstream person no?
If not then what would qualify as a mainstream person, because if its not the above, then Alex Jones is also not mainstream no?
I think we can safety punt on the semantic trap of arguing over what is "mainstream." Alex Jones' radio show gets millions of listeners. His websites get millions of hits per month. He has Trump's ear. He's not a minor figure on the right. He's influential. Whether that means he's "mainstream" or not doesn't change the facts of who and what he is.
Conspiracy theorist in Chief is giving a great speech at CPAC. He complains of "atrocities" committed by liberal media and Democrats. Anyone know what he's talking about??
That is fine, but...
"Kennedy co-hosts Ring of Fire, a nationally syndicated American radio program, and has written or edited ten books, including two New York Times bestsellers and three children's books."
"Ring of Fire is a nationally syndicated American talk radio program hosted by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Mike Papantonio, Sam Seder, and Farron Cousins. The four hosts focus on "exposing Wall Street thugs, environmental criminality, corporate media failure, and political back stories that you will rarely find from any other source".[1] The show has been on the air since 2004 and is currently carried on 43 radio stations across the United States."
Logan Paul has 16 million subscribers on youtube with over 3 billion views.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Paul
I would venture to guess that *maybe* 1/20 people over the age of 35 have any clue who he is. Is that mainstream? Because he's not.
An admittance that he was wrong. There, that was easy. If you make a claim that turns out to be nonsense, to quote Ross Perot, step up to the plate and admit you made a mistake.
Rather that than dodging and swerving the whole conversation, in favour of clinging to the both sides falsehood.
Kennedy is anti-vax and thinks Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone. AFAIK these are not the principle topics of discussion on his radio show. Someone more familiar can correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt I am.
Alex Jones has backed scads of conspiracy theories and that is just about all he ever discusses.
I think we can safety punt on the semantic trap of arguing over what is "mainstream." Alex Jones' radio show gets millions of listeners. His websites get millions of hits per month. He has Trump's ear. He's not a minor figure on the right. He's influential. Whether that means he's "mainstream" or not doesn't change the facts of who and what he is.
Very fair assessment. Mainstream doesn't equate to influence. They are not necessarily related.
I don't think anyone is saying that Kennedy is at the same level as Alex Jones fyi. If they do then that is stupid.
What I know was said was a question asking for an example of someone on the Left that is mainstream that pushes anti-science views. Kennedy was given as the example of someone that is mainstream that pushes anti-vax views. Someone else asked for an equivalent to Alex Jones to which nobody has responded to.
Somehow that seems to be the issue, that the person believes that the Left is equal to the Right even after that person has said otherwise.
Okay, what did he say that was wrong? Was it a post from a different thread? Can you point me to what he said that was wrong?
Why are you trying to articulate that this is somehow a partisan issue?
Flat earthers and 9/11 conspiracy theorists don't discriminate last I checked. And if you want to get partisan, perfect example for moronic liberals would be vaccines... And that takes it to a whole new level of stupid - but at least theirs ends with death so that thoughts that stupid don't get passed on.
You are wasting your time. Facts don’t fit the narrative.
Having read a good bit of this thread, and debating with my own conservative friends, I find a pretty consistent tactic in the way they deflect and minimize valid criticism....
He was concurring with Someonesmind, that America's "left" is just as susceptible to crazed conspiracies as Republicans. So I asked him to tell me the equivalent to Alex Jones.
So far, nothing but weaseling and slime.
He was concurring with Someonesmind, that America's "left" is just as susceptible to crazed conspiracies as Republicans. So I asked him to tell me the equivalent to Alex Jones.
So far, nothing but weaseling and slime.
He was concurring with Someonesmind, that America's "left" is just as susceptible to crazed conspiracies as Republicans. So I asked him to tell me the equivalent to Alex Jones.
So far, nothing but weaseling and slime.
Yeah, I see you're doing your usual thing here. You don't disagree with the overarching point that the right is worse than the left right now when it comes to conspiracy theories, but you're "correcting" people on their facts to show how smart you are. Yet the point of this thread, which started with its first post, remains completely in tact. Not sure what you think you're contributing except whatever it is you're trying to prove about yourself.
So let me ask you the following, is Robert Kennedy an example of a mainstream Left person pushing an anti-science conspiracy?
There is no equivalent. There are a few semi-prominent people on the left who believe in certain CT's.
What's even more concerning than Jones actually is people like Hannity routinely backing these CT's with his huge platform and viewership.
RFK Jr is an activist. I never said "person." I said "major, mainstream left-wing politician, news outlet or political commentator."
Notice he is none of the above?
Activists are, by definition, not mainstream. And RFK Jr has been actually dealing with Trump more than anyone on the Left because Trump embraces his anti-vax nuttiness. RFK was rejected by the mainstream left media and politicians over his anti-vax views.
Honestly, what else do you expect? They come in, shit some opinions that they believe are equal to actual facts, refuse to post any evidence to support their positions, cry about no one respects them or theirfactsopinions, then tap dance around, plucking out a word to focus upon in an attempt to divert from the actual subject of the discussion.....
And yes, conservatives seem to live in a very black and white world without a damn shade of grey anywhere, although for rational people, the world's entirely shades of grey with idiocy at the extremes.....
There is no equivalent. There are a few semi-prominent people on the left who believe in certain CT's.
What's even more concerning than Jones actually is people like Hannity routinely backing these CT's with his huge platform and viewership.