Do high end user use AMD instead of Intel?

[2is]

If OP is doing other resource intensive tasks in the background while gaming then yes, i7 is certainly the way to go.

 

[B-Riz]

If someone is on a budget, the 8370E is not "end of the world if you buy it" bad.

The mobo bios may need some tweaking, but I do not see that as a huge negative either...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1340?vs=1261

 

[mrmt]

If someone is on a budget, the 8370E is not "end of the world if you buy it" bad.

If we are going to bring AMD ancient trash silicon like derpdozer, why not go back to A64 or Core 2 Duo discussions?

 

[frozentundra123456]

That is a bit harsh, and I am sure most posters know I am no fan of AMD cpus. They will certainly get the job done but are usually not the best or most efficient choice.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

"I've put my top CPUs on it."

"who!"

"TOP. CPUS."

Would it be true that AMD mobile CPUs in some laptops, ultrabooks, etc. would make for good overall performance in a more modestly-priced construction of reasonable longevity and reliability?

I know maybe one person who's experimented with AMD multi-cores. The only AMD processor I ever owned was a 16 Mhz replacement for an 8 Mhz 8088 processor.

And they'd been battling it out ever since. I won't belabor any arguments: I've mostly preferred Intel CPUs and chipsets all along. There must have been periods during all those years when AMD had a faster or matching bench performance than some Intel generation.

But I wouldn't deny that you can build a good PC with an AMD processor and chipset. Since I hadn't acquired any, I really can't say much more about it. I just make a note sometimes of prices for certain mobile devices.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Laptop APUs suffer from the same problem as desktop APUs: mediocre cpu performance and graphical performance that is better than intel, but still not sufficient for anything more than light gaming. The problem is even worse in a TDP limited environment, and AMD has traditionally suffered higher heat and power usage. That is supposed to change with Carrizo, but we seem to hear that with each new AMD product, so we will see. But yes, a laptop is the only place an APU makes sense to me. For a desktop, it is just so much better to add a discrete card. Personally, I think it will take HBM (and a die shrink from AMD, along with better cpu performance) before APUs become anything more than just a marginal value solution.

 

[Torn Mind]

There is no high end for AMD. i7 on the mainstream platform and the server/high performance desktop is all Intel.

 

[AtenRa]

Then why would AMD use a misleading benchmark if they are not trying to do the same?

AMD ONLY used its own CPUs to compare the performance increase generation to generation.
Cinebench is ONLY valid when used to evaluate performance of the same brand, such as Intel vs Intel or AMD vs AMD.

 

[TheELF]

AMD ONLY used its own CPUs to compare the performance increase generation to generation.

No they don't,even at the height of the whole benchmark scandals ,when it suits them, they use cinebench to compare amd and intel cpus
https://www.amd.com/Documents/Cores_vs_Threads_Whitepaper.pdf
Hey look at that,totally biased amd gimping cinebench's numbers line up perfectly with povray scores.
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE FULL FPU UNITS...

 

[ShintaiDK]

No they don't,even at the height of the whole benchmark scandals ,when it suits them, they use cinebench to compare amd and intel cpus
https://www.amd.com/Documents/Cores_vs_Threads_Whitepaper.pdf
Hey look at that,totally biased amd gimping cinebench's numbers line up perfectly with povray scores.
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE FULL FPU UNITS...

LOL!

The AMD fans should be very quiet about CB about now. Incredible that someone even tried another excuse, only yet again to be left out in the cold by AMD

 

[AtenRa]

No they don't

You know very well i was talking about that slide

But even today, if you want to compare 2x FPU 4x Threaded CPUs Like Kaveri/Core i3, then the difference between Haswell and Kaveri is very very small. And since Kaveri can OC, it takes the lead.
Not to mention that 2x FPU 4x threaded Kaveri is faster than 4 FPU Star.

But all this doesnt change the fact that Cinebench is HEAVILY Intel optimized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzLxCo5qofo

 

[TheELF]

But even today, if you want to compare 2x FPU 4x Threaded CPUs Like Kaveri/Core i3, then the difference between Haswell and Kaveri is very very small.

Did't you read amd's pdf? Threads are not cores and not a single program a mainstream user might use will use a 100% of a multicored cpu.

But still, let's look at the numbers, the 7850 at 95W has 1,04 single thread (that is with nothing else running and whatever turbo) it should get a score of 4 at multi but falls short.
The 4330 at 54W gets 1,54 at single so it should get a score of ~3 - 3,1 but shoots well over that.
So even in the best case scenario of software that actually uses all of the available cores(remember that this happens only at niche software) the 4 amd cores are only just about the same level as two intel cores.

 

[AtenRa]

Did't you read amd's pdf? Threads are not cores and not a single program a mainstream user might use will use a 100% of a multicored cpu.

But still, let's look at the numbers, the 7850 at 95W has 1,04 single thread (that is with nothing else running and whatever turbo) it should get a score of 4 at multi but falls short.
The 4330 at 54W gets 1,54 at single so it should get a score of ~3 - 3,1 but shoots well over that.
So even in the best case scenario of software that actually uses all of the available cores(remember that this happens only at niche software) the 4 amd cores are only just about the same level as two intel cores.

Both CPUs only have 2x FPUs and 4 Threads. Now do the math.

Also since Kaveri is a cluster based architecture, it gets a penalty in MT loads, thus the lower MT scaling.
Edit: Core i3 has HT, making the MT Scaling go higher than 3

 

[Enigmoid]

You know very well i was talking about that slide

But even today, if you want to compare 2x FPU 4x Threaded CPUs Like Kaveri/Core i3, then the difference between Haswell and Kaveri is very very small. And since Kaveri can OC, it takes the lead.
Not to mention that 2x FPU 4x threaded Kaveri is faster than 4 FPU Star.

But all this doesnt change the fact that Cinebench is HEAVILY Intel optimized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzLxCo5qofo

Llano is running at much lower frequencies and gets a really good score. PII did really well at this benchmark.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yea, who cares about all theoretical scaling and whether a module is a core,etc. Bottom line is stock vs stock, the way most users will operate, Haswell i3, at 60% of kaveri tdp is faster in multithreaded, and 50% faster in single threaded.

 

[DrMrLordX]

If someone is on a budget, the 8370E is not "end of the world if you buy it" bad.

The problem with this, and with all that it has spawned in this thread, is that the 8370E (and 8320E) and all the good that it has done still has nothing to do with the OP at all.

We all know that Intel owns the "top end" of the consumer computing market. OP was not on any identifiable budget. There was no reason to bring up FX CPUs in the first place.

 

[AtenRa]

Llano is running at much lower frequencies and gets a really good score. PII did really well at this benchmark.

Different architectures, Llano has 4x FPUs when Bulldozer based Quad Core CPUs only have 2x FPUs with SMT.

 

[AtenRa]

Yea, who cares about all theoretical scaling and whether a module is a core,etc. Bottom line is stock vs stock, the way most users will operate, Haswell i3, at 60% of kaveri tdp is faster in multithreaded, and 50% faster in single threaded.

Yea thats on Cinebench, in a more neutral application like x264 Kaveri at 55W is very close to Core i3 Haswell. At 65W and above the Kaveri takes the lead.

 

[potzocalli]

I guess the question is so open there are several correct answers.

1)Intel dominates high end with their i7. If price/performance is no concern go with Intel

2)I still go with AMD. I game at 1920x1080 with high quality graphics and the best AMDs keep up pretty good. The benefit is that 1 AMD sockets outlives at least 2 or 3 Intel socket changes so upgrading PC is very unexpensive.

I have Intel i7 laptops (for work) and AMD desktops (for gaming) becasue this is what best suits my needs.

While I consider myself high end I might just be delusional hehe.

 

[mrmt]

I have Intel i7 laptops (for work) and AMD desktops (for gaming) becasue this is what best suits my needs.

While I consider myself high end I might just be delusional hehe.

You certainly aren't a high-end CPU user, but gaming today certainly isn't the kind of use that demands high-end CPUs.

 

[Yuriman]

I guess the question is so open there are several correct answers.

1)Intel dominates high end with their i7. If price/performance is no concern go with Intel

2)I still go with AMD. I game at 1920x1080 with high quality graphics and the best AMDs keep up pretty good. The benefit is that 1 AMD sockets outlives at least 2 or 3 Intel socket changes so upgrading PC is very unexpensive.

I have Intel i7 laptops (for work) and AMD desktops (for gaming) becasue this is what best suits my needs.

While I consider myself high end I might just be delusional hehe.

Unfortunately, lately this seems to be because AMD isn't releasing new CPUs. There isn't much to be gained over an FX-8350 that could be purchased in 2012. The FX-9 chips are essentially a "Devil's Canyon" type refresh. During the intervening time, Intel has gone from Ivy Bridge to Haswell (and a refresh, due to delays), then to Broadwell, and will have released Skylake and possibly even Cannonlake before AMD adds a new design to their big cores. Steamroller kindof counts, but the way it's looking, FM2 will probably only have as many different cores released for it as your typical Intel socket.

 

[Squeetard]

You certainly aren't a high-end CPU user, but gaming today certainly isn't the kind of use that demands high-end CPUs.

what in the heck? NO.

So you buy a $500 vid card only to have it crippled by your crappy cpu?

AMD has not been a consideration for me since my Q6600. Just aren't cutting it for high end at all.

 

[B-Riz]

The problem with this, and with all that it has spawned in this thread, is that the 8370E (and 8320E) and all the good that it has done still has nothing to do with the OP at all.

We all know that Intel owns the "top end" of the consumer computing market. OP was not on any identifiable budget. There was no reason to bring up FX CPUs in the first place.

And I linked the AT bench 8370E vs. i5 4690k.

I never told anyone to buy an 8370E, but it works for some people.

If someone is too lazy to read the i5 and i7 Devil's Canyon reviews, they are just here to stir the pot.

 

[Phynaz]

You know very well i was talking about that slide

Maybe you were, but I wasn't. Since you were replying to me...

 

[AtenRa]

Maybe you were, but I wasn't. Since you were replying to me...

Ehm really ??

Dear AMD,
Using Cinebench to show the performance of your chips is complete BS.