do landlords have the right to enter a house/place of living they are renting?

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Buck Armstrong

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Originally posted by: armatron
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Kind of curious about that.. I live in a townhouse, and the people pretty much just come in and change the filters, check the fire extinguisher, etc..... is there some law stating I cannot tell them no?

Sounds like somebody's growing something special in their townhouse, huh?

Let me know if you need a place to um "stash" it for awhile...
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: AaronB
Originally posted by: shilala
My wife and I rent out some houses and an apartment building. I can enter them whenever I see fit on zero notice, as deemed necessary (by me).
I try to call people ahead of time so I don't see anything that I don't want to see (did a "pop-in" once to a table full of wacky tobaccy and various wack paraphanalia spread out).
If we are sending any repair people, we always call ahead and let the folks know when they are coming so that they can be present. If they can't be present when repair people are scheduled to come, I'll try to make myself available to be there, or reschedule when the tenants can be there. I don't want to deal with "the electrician stole my stuff".
You get the tenants to agree to this in a lease?

Yup.
Here's exactly what it says...

29. Access to Premises
Owner, Management, and his assignees reserve the right to enter the residence to inspect, make necessary repairs, supply services or show it to prospective residents, purchasers, mortgagors, workmen, or contractors. Whenever practicable, a 24 hour notice of the parties? intent to enter shall be given to Resident. The Management may also display ?for rent? and ?for sale? signs on the building of which the rented residence is a part.

I actually get to dictate what's "practicable". It's never been a problem, and I've never had a gripe. When we rent a property I sit with the prospective tenant for about an hour reviewing the lease before they make payment or take occupancy. We always understand each other, and they realize we're not here to stick it in their ass.
That said, this is Backwater, PA and not Metropolis, USA. We don't see the advanced potentially litigious tenant/landlord situations that you see in NYC or elsewhere. For instance, the folks around here don't sublet their apartments because finding another apartment is no problem, and they can walk away from a lease without landlords suing them.
It's all really very simple and personable. I can call any one of the people who rent from me and stop over for coffee at any given time. They can do the same.
It's nice that you have a good relationship with your tenants. Otherwise, I think I would disagree with your attitude. And (though rental laws vary greatly by state), be advised that if whatever you put on your rental/lease agreements is not in compliance with state laws, that state laws, and not what is written on the signed agreements, takes priority. Meaning that whatever you put on the contract and get signed is meaningless if it conflicts with your state's laws. Just FYI.
 

shilala

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Oct 5, 2004
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: AaronB
Originally posted by: shilala
My wife and I rent out some houses and an apartment building. I can enter them whenever I see fit on zero notice, as deemed necessary (by me).
I try to call people ahead of time so I don't see anything that I don't want to see (did a "pop-in" once to a table full of wacky tobaccy and various wack paraphanalia spread out).
If we are sending any repair people, we always call ahead and let the folks know when they are coming so that they can be present. If they can't be present when repair people are scheduled to come, I'll try to make myself available to be there, or reschedule when the tenants can be there. I don't want to deal with "the electrician stole my stuff".
You get the tenants to agree to this in a lease?

Yup.
Here's exactly what it says...

29. Access to Premises
Owner, Management, and his assignees reserve the right to enter the residence to inspect, make necessary repairs, supply services or show it to prospective residents, purchasers, mortgagors, workmen, or contractors. Whenever practicable, a 24 hour notice of the parties? intent to enter shall be given to Resident. The Management may also display ?for rent? and ?for sale? signs on the building of which the rented residence is a part.

I actually get to dictate what's "practicable". It's never been a problem, and I've never had a gripe. When we rent a property I sit with the prospective tenant for about an hour reviewing the lease before they make payment or take occupancy. We always understand each other, and they realize we're not here to stick it in their ass.
That said, this is Backwater, PA and not Metropolis, USA. We don't see the advanced potentially litigious tenant/landlord situations that you see in NYC or elsewhere. For instance, the folks around here don't sublet their apartments because finding another apartment is no problem, and they can walk away from a lease without landlords suing them.
It's all really very simple and personable. I can call any one of the people who rent from me and stop over for coffee at any given time. They can do the same.
It's nice that you have a good relationship with your tenants. Otherwise, I think I would disagree with your attitude. And (though rental laws vary greatly by state), be advised that if whatever you put on your rental/lease agreements is not in compliance with state laws, that state laws, and not what is written on the signed agreements, takes priority. Meaning that whatever you put on the contract and get signed is meaningless if it conflicts with your state's laws. Just FYI.

You're absolutely correct. That's also in our lease...

27. Validity of Lease Provisions
Any provision set forth in this agreement which is contrary to the Pennsylvania Landlord Tenant Act shall be treated by Resident and Management as void and is if it were not set forth herein, but all other provisions of the Agreement shall remain in full force and effect.

Our lease was written in direct accordance with the lanlord/tenant act, although things do change from time to time and I don't keep up. In the event that there is a problem, burden will fall on the plaintiff to make that distinction in a court of law. Our lease has been tested in Magisterial Court twice (for non-payment) and stood up flawlessly.
 

Gooberlx2

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24 hr required notice unless in an emergency...as far as I'm aware. My landlords are cool.
 

DurocShark

Lifer
Apr 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: edro13
You MUST give a notice. It is usually 24 Hours, but you ALWAYS have to have a notice, legally.

Not if it's considered an emergency, such as a plumbing issue causing flooding, or a roof leak, or that sort of thing.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Originally posted by: edro13
You MUST give a notice. It is usually 24 Hours, but you ALWAYS have to have a notice, legally.

depends on the state

-edit- dang need to read the thread.

DOH!
 

thomsbrain

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Dec 4, 2001
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pretty sure it's 24 or 48 hours where i live. if you give them permission they can come in right away, of course.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: armatron
see topic


Kind of curious about that.. I live in a townhouse, and the people pretty much just come in and change the filters, check the fire extinguisher, etc..... is there some law stating I cannot tell them no?

Depends on what state you live in but I would expect them to at least call you first to let you know they are coming over for an "inspection."
 
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