do managed small-port switches exist? Would there be a use for them?

VirtualLarry

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Thinking of a small SOHO-sized 8-port switch. Any of them with management capabilities, trunking, port-bonding, etc.?

There has to be a market for them, for use on a LAN with enthusiast mobos with dual LAN ports, etc.

Edit: Should have googled instead of asking the question. Yes, they have "managed 8-port switch"es.

http://www.google.com/products/cata...og_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCcQ8wIwAg#

This is basically what I was looking for, although there is no mention of port bonding in the description, only VLANs and trunking.
 
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weovpac

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Currently use that Netgear GS108Tv2 for VLAN usage and works great. Managed from webgui.
 

Emulex

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hp procurve - the 1810G-24 is cheap, does most everything via web. they make an 8 port version iirc that can be powered by POE - so you can have a POE switch bop down 12 8 port's with POE so you can reboot them if necessary. then run the 8 port switches to your desks/pods/printers/etc.

they have non-poe versions as well. procurve is good stuff for smb. very good.
 

robmurphy

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Have a look at the new SF300 and SG300 switch range from Cisco's SMB products. See: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps10898/data_sheet_c78-610061.html

These switches are available in 8 and 10 port versions as well as larger port numbers. The range includes POE and non POE versions. The small 10 port Gigabit non POE switch is cheap considering all the facilities. This range does static L3 routing as well. Cisco are saying the next firmware release will add smartports to the switches as well.

Rob.
 

ScottMac

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Cisco SLM-2008
8 port Gig, Web managed, port mirroring, IGMP (v2), VLAN capable.

CDW.com for ~US$108.00
 

theevilsharpie

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Never said cisco was cheap, plus you get IOS and all that it brings to the table. No web based junk.

I can get a ProCurve 2520 8-port switch with PoE for $400. Gigabit? $550. If all I needed was a fully-managed 8-port 10/100 switch, I can get an HP-branded 3com E4210 for $300.

No Cisco isn't cheap, but Cisco's products are nowhere near good enough to warrant a 66% price premium over their competition.
 

robmurphy

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As I said before I would at least investigate the 300 series SMB switches from Cisco. Cisco, as far as I have been told, spent a major amount of money on its SMB range products. When it comes to switches its clear the HP Procurve was the switch Cisco wanted to compete with. Warranties range from 5 years to lifetime. Many of the warranties have next business day replacement.

The 300 range have a web interface, but so does the 2960. You may then say the 2960 has a console port and CLI, well so does the 300 range. You can save the config of the 300 range switches to a text file as well.

I have limited experience compared to some of the people who post here when it come to Cisco, but I do not know of any feature the 2960 has that the 300 range does not, apart from IOS on the CLI interface. I'm not actually sure if the console on the 300 range is IOS or not.

ON price terms the 300 range is much cheaper in the UK than the equivalent Procurve.

One point I mentioned before that I will mention again is that the 300 series switches have static L3 routing. Not only that but wire speed L3 routing. If you are running multiple VLANS and want routing between them the 300 series can do this. The 2960 cannot do static L3 routing. I wish it would as its the main office VOIP switch where I work, and its configured with several VLANS.

Rob
 

RadiclDreamer

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I can get a ProCurve 2520 8-port switch with PoE for $400. Gigabit? $550. If all I needed was a fully-managed 8-port 10/100 switch, I can get an HP-branded 3com E4210 for $300.

No Cisco isn't cheap, but Cisco's products are nowhere near good enough to warrant a 66% price premium over their competition.

Dont forget this is retail and if you purchase any amount of cisco gear you are getting much better prices. Its still overpriced
 

theevilsharpie

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Dont forget this is retail and if you purchase any amount of cisco gear you are getting much better prices. Its still overpriced

The prices I quoted were street prices. Retail is nearly $1,000. Also, the same argument applies to other enterprise networking vendors.
 

Modelworks

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If you know someone that works with embedded gear, a good chunk of the SOHO switches sold have exactly the same chipsets as their pricier counterparts. All it takes is a flash to replacement to get the same benefits.
 

cmetz

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Cisco Small Business = Linksys.

If you want to pay more money for that bridges logo, you're welcome to do so. You are still getting a Linksys product, and you will still get Linksys hardware, software, and support. Not fundamentally any different or better than Netgear, D-Link, Trendnet, etc.

Cisco does make an 8-port 2960. If you really don't need more than 8 ports, but you really do need a managed switch, that's what you can buy. 2960s are good switches, and it's an entirely reasonable network design to standardize on them for your edges. So part of why you might be using them is not so much that you really need that switch to be a 2960 as it is that you really need all your edge switches to be standardized on one good platform. Whatever you save on capex buying cheaper switches, you'll spend more than that on management and diagnostic opex for failing to standardize.

You don't buy cheap Cisco, you don't buy cheap EMC, and you don't buy cheap Sun.

If it doesn't have a SSH CLI and a serial port (bonus points for RJ45 serial), and the CLI isn't at least a passable knock-off of the Cisco or Juniper CLI, it's not a real modern managed switch. If you can only manage it from a web page, that's what's called a "web-managed" or a "smart" switch. It's a crippled product made to fill the product line gap between real managed switches and unmanged switches. Web-managed switches are not necessarily bad, but you need to understand that you are not buying a managed enterprise product, you are buying a product whose entire point is for you to outgrow it.

Modelworks, it is true that most low-end to mid-range switches use the same chipsets, and the low-end ones rarely deviate much from the reference design, but it's usually a lot more than just a reflash to switch from one vendor's firmware to another. Everyone tweaks just a little - or cost reduces a lot - and that alone means device driver and hardware configuration parameter differences. The vendor-provided firmware is generally not built to be generic.
 
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robmurphy

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The Cisco SMB 300 series is quite different from Linksys.

Its different silicon to the Linksys products.

It has a lifetime warranty with advanced next business day replacement.

It has SSH CLI.

It has a serial console port.

The CLI is not however like the cisco IOS.

The switch config is saved to a text file. You can edit this to deploy on other switches.

I've got some of the earlier Cisco SMB and some of the Linksys switches and the SF300-24 is much better built.

I've also got one of the ESW 520 switch (Cisco SMB 500 series switches), and I think the SF300-24P is a better switch despite being cheaper. The Warranty on the ESW 520 is not as good as the SF300-24. It does have smartports, but so will the SF300-24 after the next firmware release.

The Cisco SMB range does include the older Linksys products like the SLM, SFE, SGE, and the SRW range. These are quite different from the SMB 300 series. The support and warranty is nowhere near as good.

Rob.
 
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