Do millennials deserve their low wages?

[JEDI]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/opinions/yelp-millennial-low-wages-soave/index.html

Robby Soave: Yelp worker grouses on Medium about low wages, gets fired; but it's not a story of a greedy corporation and the need for better wages.

He says if companies paid young, unproven workers more, they'd go out of business. Low wage jobs are how young people break in.


so in essence, inexperienced/unskilled workers = low wages.
also, almost anybody can do that job = low wages.
duh?

 

[senseamp]

Paying $8/hr in SF is kind of a exploitative. Of course she is stupid for taking that job and moving to SF too.
I think Yelp is realizing it and moving those entry level jobs to AZ, which is the right solution.
I think the free market is working in this situation. Both parties are doing what is the best for them. One is realizing that living in SF Bay Area is stupid unless you have a cushy tech job lined up, and maybe even if you do. And the other is realizing that expecting to pay minimum wage in the most expensive location in the country is stupid and taking actions to move those jobs to AZ.

 

[Jaskalas]

Does anyone deserve to work and face destitution?
And what does it mean if I answer no, they do not deserve that?

 

[senseamp]

Normally, I'd agree, but SF has too many people for its housing, paying them more is not going to help, all it will do is make rents go up more, and the extra money will simply flow to the landlords. People need to leave the Bay Area if they are underpaid.

 

[Subyman]

SF is definitely an anomaly. Typically jobs that can not support a household in the region wouldn't be filled. However, there is the effect of people taking them with the hope of breaking in to the industry. Kind of like how models will do early photoshoots for pennies in the hope of getting better gigs in the future. In that context, the job provides more than the monetary pay, it provides an avenue to career growth. Otherwise, people wouldn't take the job.

You also see this in post doc positions. Those usually pay terribly. Barely enough to get by, but you get experience, network with people, and potentially become an assistant professor.

I'm not sure about the thread title though. This has been around for centuries, regardless of the generation.

 

[fourdegrees11]

People need to leave the Bay Area if they are underpaid.

Bingo. As someone who was born and raised in SF, it is a terrible environment to "start from the bottom". It's also just as bad to try and live off of middle class money, unless you think living in a tiny apartment and taking public transit is a preferred existence after you outgrow the bar/club/party scene.

 

[Moonbeam]

San Francisco should set the minimum wage for property owners that rent and confiscate the rest to build high quality affordable housing. Once there is a massive surplus of housing, The City can return the income to those who are still owners in case some would rather rent from private owners. Alternately, huge areas can be leveled and opened up as shanty towns built from the rubble. That process has already begun under the freeways. People seem to like having a roof over their head. Probably has something to do with evolving in caves.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Does anyone deserve to work and face destitution?
And what does it mean if I answer no, they do not deserve that?

They deserve to make smarter choices and not live in a place that they cannot afford while working at jobs for minimum wage. Plenty of places in America to live and survive.

Senseamp already stated it but Sam Kinison said it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMyb0vPtaj0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMyb0vPtaj0

 

[Sonikku]

Do millennials deserve their low wages?

Of course they do. If they wanted strong middle class factory jobs they should not have off shored them all with the free trade agreements they enacted.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/27/warr...ml?__source=msn|money|headline|story|&par=msn

Apparently this democrat thinks you do.

 

[Rakehellion]

so in essence, inexperienced/unskilled workers = low wages.
also, almost anybody can do that job = low wages.

So how exactly do you gain the experience required to make more money?

 

[Jaskalas]

So how exactly do you gain the experience required to make more money?

Eat dirt until benevolence trickles down?

 

[alcoholbob]

The question is how do you break in when the entry level positions in your field are being flooded with H-1Bs? Now you have to basically pay companies to hire you by taking unpaid internships, which poorer people cant afford.

 

[cbrunny]

Thread title is misleading. Has nothing to do with millennial. Op is about young and inexperienced workers.

 

[Darwin333]

So how exactly do you gain the experience required to make more money?

Live with your parents much longer then you may have intended to I would suppose.

 

[Belegost]

Paying $8/hr in SF is kind of a exploitative. Of course she is stupid for taking that job and moving to SF too.
I think Yelp is realizing it and moving those entry level jobs to AZ, which is the right solution.
I think the free market is working in this situation. Both parties are doing what is the best for them. One is realizing that living in SF Bay Area is stupid unless you have a cushy tech job lined up, and maybe even if you do. And the other is realizing that expecting to pay minimum wage in the most expensive location in the country is stupid and taking actions to move those jobs to AZ.

$8 after tax withholding, min wage in SF is over $12.

And honestly there was no reason she couldn't have done ok, had she made better decisions. Almost the entirety of her failure was due to renting her own apartment - 1250 a month on her income was unsustainable, I can't figure out what landlord even let her rent it. She could have found a roommate situation for 900 a month or less, the savings there would have been enough to eat decently and pay for transportation.

You scrape by for a few years doing low wage work, build your experience, grow your contact network and if you're a good worker with half decent social skills you'll find opportunities for more, but demanding that you get whatever you want with your first job is ridiculous.

 

[glenn1]

Whether they "deserve" it isn't a relevant question. The best way to raise your wage is to find another employer willing to pay the wage you deserve. If you can get it then you deserve the higher wage, if you cannot then you don't. Your current employer certainly doesn't have a moral or practical reason to determine the proper upper salary level on your behalf; that's something you need to do for yourself.

 

[senseamp]

$8 after tax withholding, min wage in SF is over $12.

And honestly there was no reason she couldn't have done ok, had she made better decisions. Almost the entirety of her failure was due to renting her own apartment - 1250 a month on her income was unsustainable, I can't figure out what landlord even let her rent it. She could have found a roommate situation for 900 a month or less, the savings there would have been enough to eat decently and pay for transportation.

You scrape by for a few years doing low wage work, build your experience, grow your contact network and if you're a good worker with half decent social skills you'll find opportunities for more, but demanding that you get whatever you want with your first job is ridiculous.

Some jobs are just not meant to be done in SF. Call center for food delivery service is one of them. It's a dead end job. Maybe she thought she got into a tech unicorn would mean getting on the gravy train, but really it doesn't mean jack if you are just working in the call center. It's like Apple store employee vs Apple engineer. Completely different ball game.

 

[OverVolt]

In terms of inter-generational wealth Millenials get screwed in markets like San Fran.

San Fran is water-locked on three sides and thus has zero suburban sprawl. People who bought land or houses there decades ago are reaping the rewards and displacing the younger generations.

Good for that girl getting the hell out of San Fran. It can be 70 year olds serving coffee to Bubble tech workers and corrupt chinese expats all day long. I don't care. San Fran is the second most population dense city apparently (remember, its water locked on three sides and hasn't been able to sprawl since the 60's.)

The real problem is house and land prices pricing out the young. Its not that Yelp is a bad job, or that the salary didn't match the skills. Its that they choose to base their company there and young people literally can't afford to live there and get the experience. Some might live with their parents in their 20's. Thats just fantastic. In the 60's if you lived with your parents they'd hide you in the attic and say you died of tuberculosis. While you might be able to get the experience that way, you also sacrifice your independence and probably put other parts of your life on hold. People put off major life milestones later and later for a reason. Large swaths of the millennial generation are screwed, and they are the ones who are supposed to be the next generation in the economy. So the economy is going to eat a big dong in those areas one day. Simple as that.

 

[LegendKiller]

Any idea what her degree is in?

 

[senseamp]

Even techies are leaving the Bay Area or refusing to move here in many cases because of the crazy housing situation. It's really killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

 

[Hugo Drax]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/opinions/yelp-millennial-low-wages-soave/index.html

Robby Soave: Yelp worker grouses on Medium about low wages, gets fired; but it's not a story of a greedy corporation and the need for better wages.

He says if companies paid young, unproven workers more, they'd go out of business. Low wage jobs are how young people break in.


so in essence, inexperienced/unskilled workers = low wages.
also, almost anybody can do that job = low wages.
duh?

English,journalism degree. No tangible value this is why she is stuck in A Mcjob. Unfortunately she ends up getting herself fired and no Blacklisted from any job by posting a complaint about her job on social media.

Too bad college did not teach her enough.

In the future they will nee to raise minimum wage when all available jobs for the next generation are low wage service type Mcjobs. Or prices go back to 1960s levels.

 

[LegendKiller]

English,journalism degree. No tangible value this is why she is stuck in A Mcjob. Unfortunately she ends up getting herself fired and no Blacklisted from any job by posting a complaint about her job on social media.

Too bad college did not teach her enough.

In the future they will nee to raise minimum wage when all available jobs for the next generation are low wage service type Mcjobs. Or prices go back to 1960s levels.

Libarts trash. Figures. Probably took out student loans to get a worthless degree that her parents told her to "enjoy" life with and do "what she loves" rather than what will put food on the table.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Libarts trash. Figures. Probably took out student loans to get a worthless degree that her parents told her to "enjoy" life with and do "what she loves" rather than what will put food on the table.

Most likely she got the degree because it was the easiest path to attaining a degree. I guess highschools are still pushing that you need to get a college degree regardless of the subject if you want to get a good job.

Super outdated advice for the 21st century.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Everyone deserves lower wages: If they'll take them.