Do motorcycles have to be so loud?

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: ballmode
they are loud, they caught your attention, more likely to be noticed so people dont run them over

zing!

That pretty much sums it up. While it's a nuisance to you ... take note that you did see them coming.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: ballmode
they are loud, they caught your attention, more likely to be noticed so people dont run them over

zing!

That pretty much sums it up. While it's a nuisance to you ... take note that you did see them coming.

Actually, I heard them in my office...with the windows closed...on the 10th floor.

If it is THAT unsafe, then maybe you should not ride motorcycles where cars are? Nah, that would be taking way too much responsibilty for yourself and not shifting the blame entirely to someone else because, of course, it is always someone elses fault.

MotionMan

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Actually, I heard them in my office...with the windows closed...on the 10th floor.

If it is THAT unsafe, then maybe you should not ride motorcycles where cars are? Nah, that would be taking way too much responsibilty for yourself and not shifting the blame entirely to someone else because, of course, it is always someone elses fault.

MotionMan

Well at least your true colors are showing through.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Why do people have to care so much and bitch incessantly about what other people do?

Move to Cambodia.

When what someone else is doing intrudes on what I am doing, I show an interest.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

The number one danger to motorcyclists is not themselves, it's other people on the road. You can be the safest driver on the road wearing the best equipment, and you're still probably going to get into an accident because of all the morons out there.

When you get into the helmet argument, some people feel that all a helmet is good for is that you wind up being a quadriplegic instead of dead.

If motorcyclists know that there are morons out there who tend to not see them, then maybe, just MAYBE, the motorcyclists should change their behavior (i.e. drive safer and more defensive), and not expect the morons to do so.

The concern about helmets has nothing to do with quadriplegia, it has to do with ending up a vegetable or dead vs. walking away from accidents. Helmets do not prevent spinal injuries (at least as far as I know). My wife and my former sister-in-law were speech therapists. Far too many of their clients were 20-40 year old moto-vegis who did not wear a helmet who now had to relearn how to speak.

In any event, I have seen loud motorcycles cause car drivers to swerve from fear. I have to think a few accidents have been caused by loud motorcycles.

MotionMan

Um, yes they do. It's a common saying that they'd rather end up dead than a quad. The helmet protects the head from absorbing all the blunt trauma, but that still doesn't stop the person from breaking their neck. That's why the argument is quad vs. death, not vegetable vs. walking away from an accident. You're describing something completely different.

And again, there are PLENTY of people that drive perfectly safe and still wind up getting into accidents because of moron drivers. Look at Big Ben for prime example of this. They lady TURNED into him when he was riding his bike, coming in the opposite direction.

Define what you mean by loud, are you talking about people that tamper with their mufflers, or are you talking about stock bikes? I wouldn't doubt that there may have been accidents due to people tampering with their mufflers, just like I wouldn't doubt the same is true on cars.

Loud as in hearing them in my office with the windows closed on the 10th floor. And when I say hearing them, I mean REALLY hearing them.

Must be great to live on their block, or even in their area code.

MotionMan

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Loud as in hearing them in my office with the windows closed on the 10th floor. And when I say hearing them, I mean REALLY hearing them.

Must be great to live on their block, or even in their area code.

MotionMan

I don't hear bikes like that any more often than I hear cars like that.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Actually, I heard them in my office...with the windows closed...on the 10th floor.

If it is THAT unsafe, then maybe you should not ride motorcycles where cars are? Nah, that would be taking way too much responsibilty for yourself and not shifting the blame entirely to someone else because, of course, it is always someone elses fault.

MotionMan

Well at least your true colors are showing through.

As have yours.

You claim that it is sooooo unsafe out there for motorcyclists. In other words, you KNOW it is unsafe, yet what do you do? Keep doing the same thing. Whose fault is that? Take some responsibilty that is NOT socially abusive like making your bike REALLY loud.

MotionMan

 

[zixxer]

Ugh - for one, you are obviously a self centered arsehole.

Now that I'm done with that - imo it is partially for 'safety' but mainly just because they like the way it sounds. It's annoying - and imo a little excessive at times. However, for every 1 motorcycle you hear there are 50 you don't.. at least. I have two bikes now, and have owned two others. two of them have had exhausts changed out (one of my current ones has a slip on exhaust) and I have to admit it does get people's attention. You'd be suprised how much it pisses off people on their fscking cellphone - which IMHO is a good thing. There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

 

[pcnerd37]

Originally posted by: Baked
I don't mind them on the road while I'm driving. But when you have a jackass running his harley wannabe POS around the block at 12AM-2AM, you've crossed the line.

QFT, although our biggest problem is having dozens of them go by during church. It is very annoying when you want to hear the preacher and instead you have to hear some big group of motorcycles.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Actually, I heard them in my office...with the windows closed...on the 10th floor.

If it is THAT unsafe, then maybe you should not ride motorcycles where cars are? Nah, that would be taking way too much responsibilty for yourself and not shifting the blame entirely to someone else because, of course, it is always someone elses fault.

MotionMan

Well at least your true colors are showing through.

As have yours.

You claim that it is sooooo unsafe out there for motorcyclists. In other words, you KNOW it is unsafe, yet what do you do? Keep doing the same thing. Whose fault is that? Take some responsibilty that is NOT socially abusive like making your bike REALLY loud.

MotionMan

How do you know if I ride, have a bike, and have a loud bike on top of that?

I ride, but very, very rarely (last time was almost 6 months ago). I normally only ever get to ride when I'm home in NY on my friend's bike. I don't own a motorcycle, and he doesn't own what you would consider a loud bike.

On top of that, if another person hit's you because of their negligence, why are you blaming the victim? With that kind of mentality, everyone should be riding in buses or using mass transportation because it's dangerous to be driving a car.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: zixxer
Ugh - for one, you are obviously a self centered arsehole.

How so?

Now that I'm done with that - imo it is partially for 'safety' but mainly just because they like the way it sounds. It's annoying - and imo a little excessive at times. However, for every 1 motorcycle you hear there are 50 you don't.. at least.

I am not asking about the 50. It's the 1 that I was curious about.

I have two bikes now, and have owned two others. two of them have had exhausts changed out (one of my current ones has a slip on exhaust) and I have to admit it does get people's attention. You'd be suprised how much it pisses off people on their fscking cellphone - which IMHO is a good thing.

Talk about being "a self centered arsehole" - you like pissing off people who talk on cellphones.

There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

You mean like, not ride a motorcycle? Nah...

MotionMan

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Do motorcycles have to be so loud (You know, those "Hells Angels" type machines)?

Or is it another small pee-pee thing?

You already answered your own question.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

You mean like, not ride a motorcycle? Nah...

MotionMan

Tell me why a person should stop riding their bike when you don't know how to drive.

It just goes to show how much of a joke the driving system is here in the US, and the majority of people have no business behing behind the wheel of a car.

 

[Amused]

My bike will stop being loud when car drivers stop being virtually blind to us.

Yes, loud bikes do save lives. They keep people looking for where the noise is coming from. That's a GOOD thing.

I have over 20 years riding experience and I can tell you first hand that I have FAR less close calls on a loud bike than I do a on a quiet bike. I notice people looking around to find me because they hear me. Fewer people pull in front of me and FAR fewer people move over into my lane almost hitting me.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

You mean like, not ride a motorcycle? Nah...

MotionMan

Tell me why a person should stop riding their bike when you don't know how to drive.

It just goes to show how much of a joke the driving system is here in the US, and the majority of people have no business behing behind the wheel of a car.

No kidding. Thank god in georgia "I didn't see them" is NO LONGER an excuse for hitting a motorcyclist. They charge you with some sort of vehicular homicide due to negligence business that put some mother in jail for three years. She has two kids - 15 and 17 - in which she will see neither become adults.



It sucks for the kids - but simply put - MOST motorcyclists are safe safe riders. I am one - and ride with many - and there are some unsafe people but honestly they don't last long.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Amused
My bike will stop being loud when car drivers stop being virtually blind to us.

Yes, loud bikes do save lives. They keep people looking for where the noise is coming from. That's a GOOD thing.

I have over 20 years riding experience and I can tell you first hand that I have FAR less close calls on a loud bike than I do a on a quiet bike. I notice people looking around to find me because they hear me. Fewer people pull in front of me and FAR fewer people move over into my lane almost hitting me.

But according to MotionMan, because you're inconveniencing him, you shouldn't be riding a bike in the first place! Fvck safety! :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

You mean like, not ride a motorcycle? Nah...

MotionMan

Tell me why a person should stop riding their bike when you don't know how to drive.

It just goes to show how much of a joke the driving system is here in the US, and the majority of people have no business being behind the wheel of a car.

What system?

Pay for your License, Insurance, Tag and here's your keys.

It's all about the money.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

You mean like, not ride a motorcycle? Nah...

MotionMan

Tell me why a person should stop riding their bike when you don't know how to drive.

Maybe because it is too dangerous?

MotionMan

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

You mean like, not ride a motorcycle? Nah...

MotionMan

Tell me why a person should stop riding their bike when you don't know how to drive.

Maybe because it is too dangerous?

MotionMan

That's like using a Band-Aid to fix a shotgun wound.

Instead of addressing the real problem, we address what's easier to target.

Also, if you ask most people that ride, they accept the fact that in all likelihood that, at the very least, they are going to crash their bikes, and there is a very good possibility that they are going to be seriously injured.

That doesn't change the fact that people need to learn how to drive.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
My bike will stop being loud when car drivers stop being virtually blind to us.

Yes, loud bikes do save lives. They keep people looking for where the noise is coming from. That's a GOOD thing.

I have over 20 years riding experience and I can tell you first hand that I have FAR less close calls on a loud bike than I do a on a quiet bike. I notice people looking around to find me because they hear me. Fewer people pull in front of me and FAR fewer people move over into my lane almost hitting me.

But according to MotionMan, because you're inconveniencing him, you shouldn't be riding a bike in the first place! Fvck safety! :roll:

Yeah, I am the only one.

If you were a skydiver and most of the parachute folders were morons (and you are not allowed to fold your own parachute) and that caused a lot of skydivers to get killed, would you continue to skydive? So, why would you continue to ride knowing you are on the road with the morons?

MotionMan

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
My bike will stop being loud when car drivers stop being virtually blind to us.

Yes, loud bikes do save lives. They keep people looking for where the noise is coming from. That's a GOOD thing.

I have over 20 years riding experience and I can tell you first hand that I have FAR less close calls on a loud bike than I do a on a quiet bike. I notice people looking around to find me because they hear me. Fewer people pull in front of me and FAR fewer people move over into my lane almost hitting me.

But according to MotionMan, because you're inconveniencing him, you shouldn't be riding a bike in the first place! Fvck safety! :roll:

Yeah, I am the only one.

If you were a skydiver and most of the parachute folders were morons (and you are not allowed to fold your own parachute) and that caused a lot of skydivers to get killed, would you continue to skydive? So, why would you continue to ride knowing you are on the road with the morons?

MotionMan

To make it a better analogy, let's add some safety measures. A backup parachute and a tandem jump for example.

This still doesn't change the fact that we need to address the real problem instead of what's inconveniencing you.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

You mean like, not ride a motorcycle? Nah...

MotionMan

Tell me why a person should stop riding their bike when you don't know how to drive.

Maybe because it is too dangerous?

MotionMan

That's like using a Band-Aid to fix a shotgun wound.

Instead of addressing the real problem, we address what's easier to target.

Also, if you ask most people that ride, they accept the fact that in all likelihood that, at the very least, they are going to crash their bikes, and there is a very good possibility that they are going to be seriously injured.

And,damn it, they are going to be loud doing it!!!

That doesn't change the fact that people need to learn how to drive.

But that is not something motorcyclists can control. They can only control if they are going to put themselves in harms way.

MotionMan

 

[sisq0kidd]

Loud bikes are ridiculous.

A simple horn won't do? A sound other than that exaust? Nah... we got to keep it macho.

Wearing brighter colors won't do? Nah... we got to keep it black so we can't be seen.

The argument of loud bikes saves lives is deceiving. It probably does save lives, but so does wearing bright or reflective colors. Of course no one does that except sport bike riders.

And instead of thinking the situation through about what the best way to solve the issue of retarded SUV drivers not seeing bikers (Yes, my friends tell me SUV drivers are the worst) is, people go and make their bikes louder because if they can't be seen, they'll make you go deaf hearing them coming.

Give me a freakin break (Stossel where are you?).

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
My bike will stop being loud when car drivers stop being virtually blind to us.

Yes, loud bikes do save lives. They keep people looking for where the noise is coming from. That's a GOOD thing.

I have over 20 years riding experience and I can tell you first hand that I have FAR less close calls on a loud bike than I do a on a quiet bike. I notice people looking around to find me because they hear me. Fewer people pull in front of me and FAR fewer people move over into my lane almost hitting me.

But according to MotionMan, because you're inconveniencing him, you shouldn't be riding a bike in the first place! Fvck safety! :roll:

Yeah, I am the only one.

If you were a skydiver and most of the parachute folders were morons (and you are not allowed to fold your own parachute) and that caused a lot of skydivers to get killed, would you continue to skydive? So, why would you continue to ride knowing you are on the road with the morons?

MotionMan

To make it a better analogy, let's add some safety measures. A backup parachute and a tandem jump for example.

This still doesn't change the fact that we need to address the real problem instead of what's inconveniencing you.

And how do you plan on addressing the "real problem"?

MotionMan

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
Loud bikes are ridiculous.

A simple horn won't do? A sound other than that exaust? Nah... we got to keep it macho.

Wearing brighter colors won't do? Nah... we got to keep it black so we can't be seen.

The argument of loud bikes saves lives is deceiving. It probably does save lives, but so does wearing bright or reflective colors. Of course no one does that except sport bike riders.

And instead of thinking the situation through about what the best way to solve the issue of retarded SUV drivers not seeing bikers (Yes, my friends tell me SUV drivers are the worst) is, people go and make their bikes louder because if they can't be seen, they'll make you go deaf hearing them coming.

Give me a freakin break (Stossel where are you?).

To see your bright colors they have to LOOK for you. Not so with a constant noise. The noise MAKES them look for you. Bright colors do not.

And many sport bikers are using loud pipes now too. Why? Because they DO keep people looking for you. If they hear you they will look for you. If they look for you, they will SEE you.

It's really that simple.

Am I advocating open pipes? No. But signifigantly louder than stock so as to be heard through car windows and over car stereos.

Look, you admit in your post that they do save lives. Will you also admit that by the time someone reacts and hits the horn it is often too late? Will you also admit that a horn is reactionary while loud pipes are proactive? They stop the situation from even occuring.