Do motorcycles have to be so loud?

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
My bike will stop being loud when car drivers stop being virtually blind to us.

Yes, loud bikes do save lives. They keep people looking for where the noise is coming from. That's a GOOD thing.

I have over 20 years riding experience and I can tell you first hand that I have FAR less close calls on a loud bike than I do a on a quiet bike. I notice people looking around to find me because they hear me. Fewer people pull in front of me and FAR fewer people move over into my lane almost hitting me.

But according to MotionMan, because you're inconveniencing him, you shouldn't be riding a bike in the first place! Fvck safety! :roll:

Yeah, I am the only one.

If you were a skydiver and most of the parachute folders were morons (and you are not allowed to fold your own parachute) and that caused a lot of skydivers to get killed, would you continue to skydive? So, why would you continue to ride knowing you are on the road with the morons?

MotionMan

To make it a better analogy, let's add some safety measures. A backup parachute and a tandem jump for example.

This still doesn't change the fact that we need to address the real problem instead of what's inconveniencing you.

And how do you plan on addressing the "real problem"?

MotionMan

By making the motorcycle louder. Because that's not a bandaid...

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

And how do you plan on addressing the "real problem"?

MotionMan

I do what I can. I've written my congressman multiple times. I've taken defensive driving courses and an "emergency" driving course that was sponsored by my HS a few years back (sponsored by a driving school that creates hazardous situations on controlled courses) , and I've made sure my sister went with me to the first one. I also support political parties and organizations that emphasize personal responsibility.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

There honestly is only so much you can do to stay out of blind spots if you live in a high traffic area.

You mean like, not ride a motorcycle? Nah...

MotionMan

Tell me why a person should stop riding their bike when you don't know how to drive.

Maybe because it is too dangerous?

MotionMan

why do you still live? its dangerous, any day you could get shot, hit by a car, knocked out and die, have a heart attack, choke and die, fall and hit your head on a rock and die, drown, have an airplane land on you and kill you...


any day is dangerous, living is dangerous.

 

[Amused]

MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

By making the motorcycle louder. Because that's not a bandaid...

Having a louder motorcycle is a substantial step to making riding a bike safer. It's like saying airbags aren't any use at all and are just a band-aid for car accidents. They are a legitimate proactive safety measure.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Amused
MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

Because the simple fact is he hates motorcycles.

Because it inconveniences, he'd rather have them all off the road and is using safety as an issue to veil his hatred and justify taking them off the road.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

Because the simple fact is he hates motorcycles.

Because it inconveniences, he'd rather have them all off the road and is using safety as an issue to veil his hatred and justify taking them off the road.

Then he has no legitimate argument. He asked why pipes are loud, and he got a unified answer from every experienced rider who answered. Topic done.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

Because the simple fact is he hates motorcycles.

Because it inconveniences, he'd rather have them all off the road and is using safety as an issue to veil his hatred and justify taking them off the road.

Then he has no legitimate argument. He asked why pipes are loud, and he got a unified answer from every experienced rider who answered. Topic done.

plus some sound sweet.

like a Triumph S3 (i want).

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

By making the motorcycle louder. Because that's not a bandaid...

Having a louder motorcycle is a substantial step to making riding a bike safer. It's like saying airbags aren't any use at all and are just a band-aid for car accidents. They are a legitimate proactive safety measure.

Apples and oranges. Do airbags make innocent bystanders go deaf?

I think both sides of the fence aren't arguing about the fact that loud pipes are a nuisance, because they are. Yes, they are. Yes, they really are. But it's more of an argument of whether it's necesarry or not.

To some bikers, it's a necessary evil (except to those fvcktards that go through my street at 2am thinking it's funny), to others it's just downright delinquent behavior.

But I ask why not make the sound more... pleasant? Is it really that hard? Does it have to come from the exaust? Can you not play La Cucuracha?

 

[jagec]

I had this long response typed up to address all the concerns I thought were worth discussing in this thread, and then I kept reading and realized that MotionMan is just a self-centered child who wants the rest of the world to abrogate their responsibilities and come live in the cradle like he does.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

By making the motorcycle louder. Because that's not a bandaid...

Having a louder motorcycle is a substantial step to making riding a bike safer. It's like saying airbags aren't any use at all and are just a band-aid for car accidents. They are a legitimate proactive safety measure.

Apples and oranges. Do airbags make innocent bystanders go deaf?

I think both sides of the fence aren't arguing about the fact that loud pipes are a nuisance, because they are. Yes, they are. Yes, they really are. But it's more of an argument of whether it's necesarry or not.

To some bikers, it's a necessary evil (except to those fvcktards that go through my street at 2am thinking it's funny), to others it's just downright delinquent behavior.

But I ask why not make the sound more... pleasant? Is it really that hard? Does it have to come from the exaust? Can you not play La Cucuracha?

The pipes are far from making you deaf. Stop the histrionics, please.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

By making the motorcycle louder. Because that's not a bandaid...

Having a louder motorcycle is a substantial step to making riding a bike safer. It's like saying airbags aren't any use at all and are just a band-aid for car accidents. They are a legitimate proactive safety measure.

Apples and oranges. Do airbags make innocent bystanders go deaf?

I think both sides of the fence aren't arguing about the fact that loud pipes are a nuisance, because they are. Yes, they are. Yes, they really are. But it's more of an argument of whether it's necesarry or not.

To some bikers, it's a necessary evil (except to those fvcktards that go through my street at 2am thinking it's funny), to others it's just downright delinquent behavior.

But I ask why not make the sound more... pleasant? Is it really that hard? Does it have to come from the exaust? Can you not play La Cucuracha?

The pipes are far from making you deaf. Stop the histrionics, please.

You know what I meant, so are you going to address the real issue?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

Because the simple fact is he hates motorcycles.

No, I hate really fycking loud motorcycles that scare (and wake up) my children and make me jump out of my office chair from hundreds of feet away.

I do not think that is unreasonable.

Because it inconveniences, he'd rather have them all off the road and is using safety as an issue to veil his hatred and justify taking them off the road.

You call it an inconvenience. I can it an invasion of the publics right to quiet enjoyment.

Stay on the road, just don't bitch about it when you do.

MotionMan

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

By making the motorcycle louder. Because that's not a bandaid...

Having a louder motorcycle is a substantial step to making riding a bike safer. It's like saying airbags aren't any use at all and are just a band-aid for car accidents. They are a legitimate proactive safety measure.

Apples and oranges. Do airbags make innocent bystanders go deaf?

I think both sides of the fence aren't arguing about the fact that loud pipes are a nuisance, because they are. Yes, they are. Yes, they really are. But it's more of an argument of whether it's necesarry or not.

To some bikers, it's a necessary evil (except to those fvcktards that go through my street at 2am thinking it's funny), to others it's just downright delinquent behavior.

But I ask why not make the sound more... pleasant? Is it really that hard? Does it have to come from the exaust? Can you not play La Cucuracha?

The pipes are far from making you deaf. Stop the histrionics, please.

You know what I meant, so are you going to address the real issue?

If it's not a jarring sound, it is not going to get your attention nearly as well, and is therefore going to be ineffective.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

Because the simple fact is he hates motorcycles.

Because it inconveniences, he'd rather have them all off the road and is using safety as an issue to veil his hatred and justify taking them off the road.

Then he has no legitimate argument. He asked why pipes are loud, and he got a unified answer from every experienced rider who answered. Topic done.

I got your answer, it just does not fly with me. (I think it is the small pee-pee thing.)

MotionMan

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

By making the motorcycle louder. Because that's not a bandaid...

Having a louder motorcycle is a substantial step to making riding a bike safer. It's like saying airbags aren't any use at all and are just a band-aid for car accidents. They are a legitimate proactive safety measure.

Apples and oranges. Do airbags make innocent bystanders go deaf?

I think both sides of the fence aren't arguing about the fact that loud pipes are a nuisance, because they are. Yes, they are. Yes, they really are. But it's more of an argument of whether it's necesarry or not.

To some bikers, it's a necessary evil (except to those fvcktards that go through my street at 2am thinking it's funny), to others it's just downright delinquent behavior.

But I ask why not make the sound more... pleasant? Is it really that hard? Does it have to come from the exaust? Can you not play La Cucuracha?

The pipes are far from making you deaf. Stop the histrionics, please.

You know what I meant, so are you going to address the real issue?

Yes, the real issue is safety. Loud pipes make people look for me. They are a proactive measure of safety. I prefer them to sounding like a ridiculous ice cream truck as you suggested we do. You don't. "like" is subjective. Get over it.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

Because the simple fact is he hates motorcycles.

No, I hate really fycking loud motorcycles that scare (and wake up) my children and make me jump out of my office chare from hundreds of feet away.

I do not think that is unreasonable.

Because it inconveniences, he'd rather have them all off the road and is using safety as an issue to veil his hatred and justify taking them off the road.

You call it an inconvenience. I can it an invasion of the publics right to quiet enjoyment.

Stay on the road, just don't bitch about it when you do.

MotionMan

A bike puts out far less emissions than a car. I say you driving a car infringes on the public's right to clean air.

We can all be irrational, can't we?

Also, you are grossly exagerrating how loud the sound of most bikes are. There is no way in hell that you are being jarred from your chair when you're 10 floors up and hundreds of feet away.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

I got your answer, it just dones not fly with me. (I think it is the small pee-pee thing.)

MotionMan

Would you like to come over and compare penis size?

How about muscle size?

How about bank account size.

I know, let's have an IQ test.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

Because the simple fact is he hates motorcycles.

Because it inconveniences, he'd rather have them all off the road and is using safety as an issue to veil his hatred and justify taking them off the road.

Then he has no legitimate argument. He asked why pipes are loud, and he got a unified answer from every experienced rider who answered. Topic done.

I got your answer, it just dones not fly with me. (I think it is the small pee-pee thing.)

MotionMan

Grow up

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Amused

Yes, the real issue is safety. Loud pipes make people look for me. They are a proactive measure of safety. I prefer them to sounding like a ridiculous ice cream truck as you suggested we do. You don't. "like" is subjective. Get over it.

I understand that it's a safety measure. No one is arguing that. What people have a problem with is your choice of going about it.

You would rather annoy people because of your preference when a possible lesser annoying sound is an alternative.

Also, wearing brighter colors should help. Why not do that along with the loud noise?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: jagec
I had this long response typed up to address all the concerns I thought were worth discussing in this thread, and then I kept reading and realized that MotionMan is just a self-centered child who wants the rest of the world to abrogate their responsibilities and come live in the cradle like he does.

I want those who are arguing with me to ACCEPT their responsibilites: That they realize that riding a motorcycle is unsafe and that making their motocycles loud is socially irresponsible.

MotionMan

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: Dubb
it's exactly a small pee pee type of thing. I hate those bikes. especially when you're in traffic next to one and can't carry on a conversation with the passenger in your car because they're so loud.

I've always wanted a device that would make small engines die. it'd be so useful. farty motorcycles, snowmobiles, jetskis...all the anoying little gnat machines.

Ignorance at it's best.

 

[acemcmac]

I can't believe that I'm going to be the first person in this thread to acknowledge both sides. Yeah, motorcycles are annoying as fvck, especially when I'm trying to take a nap after a crappy day's work and a fleet of them come pouring down my street because they're happy that it's 5:30. Nothing would make me happier than taking my AK out the window and just picking them all off. OTOH, most drivers in this country fvcking suck and we have established that they have no respect for motorcyclists whatsoever and don't typically look out for them or give them so much as a single curtosey. Loud pipes probably do save lives.

As usual, somebody always has to take everything to the limit and put it in your face and force confrontation. That's what life in the USA is all about.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Amused

Yes, the real issue is safety. Loud pipes make people look for me. They are a proactive measure of safety. I prefer them to sounding like a ridiculous ice cream truck as you suggested we do. You don't. "like" is subjective. Get over it.

I understand that it's a safety measure. No one is arguing that. What people have a problem with is your choice of going about it.

You would rather annoy people because of your preference when a possible lesser annoying sound is an alternative.

"Annoying" is subjective. And ANY loud noise, be it from pipes, or from an ice cream truck is going to annoy some people, and please others.

You cannot please all of the people all of the time... but one thing is for sure: I will have a loud bike as long as drivers act like they are blind. If they can't see me they sure as hell are going to hear me.

Also, wearing brighter colors should help. Why not do that along with the loud noise?

I do. Most of my riding clothes and jackets are orange or red. My Bike is mainly white and has not only a headlight, but passing lamps as well.

My headlight also strobes. My tail light flashes. There isn't much more I can do to be seen. But if they don't see me, they WILL hear me... and there isn't a damn thing anyone is going to do about that. A bunch of whiny little nit pickers are NOT going to convince me to make riding any more dangerous than it has to be.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Amused
MotionMan,

You asked your question and it was answered honestly by riders with more years experience on bikes than you've been alive.

Why are you still debating with us?

Because the simple fact is he hates motorcycles.

No, I hate really fycking loud motorcycles that scare (and wake up) my children and make me jump out of my office chare from hundreds of feet away.

I do not think that is unreasonable.

Because it inconveniences, he'd rather have them all off the road and is using safety as an issue to veil his hatred and justify taking them off the road.

You call it an inconvenience. I can it an invasion of the publics right to quiet enjoyment.

Stay on the road, just don't bitch about it when you do.

MotionMan

A bike puts out far less emissions than a car. I say you driving a car infringes on the public's right to clean air.

You know so much about me that you KNOW I drive a car?

We can all be irrational, can't we?

Well, at least one of you can.

Also, you are grossly exagerrating how loud the sound of most bikes are. There is no way in hell that you are being jarred from your chair when you're 10 floors up and hundreds of feet away.

Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what happened. That is WHY I started this thread.

MotionMan