Please take this personally.
You're a jackass for thinking people should stop riding motorcycles. Your post annoys the hell out of me. Maybe I should create a thread asking why people are annoying...
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Do motorcycles have to be so loud (You know, those "Hells Angels" type machines)?
Or is it another small pee-pee thing?
MotionMan
Of course. When you're on a bike you're more vulnerable. One fact that I believe is being ignored or overlooked is you don't *have* to ride on a bike and if you choose to do so you take on those risks. And while 'loud pipes' *may* make your ride more safe it doesn't give you the right to break the law and piss off everyone around you with them. It's no different than me driving around with my bright lights on. Sure it makes it easier for me to see but it pisses off those around me and is illegal.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: kalster
the most annoying are those group of bikers, the noise is deafening,
But you see them, don't you? You stop what you're doing and look for them, don't you?
THAT is why we do it. I agree that open pipes are a bit much, but stock is ridiculous and unsafe.
So it would be okay if I modified my car to have the horn always on while moving? That way other drivers would hear me as well. Would that be okay? Maybe everyone should do that.
I'm sorry but IMO the extremely loud pipes are for show and the Harley riders who can't let their bike sit at idle at a light for 15 seconds without reving it further prove that. They might like the sound but most people around them likely do not.
If someone comes into your lane when you're in a car, it's a scartch and a dent if you don't over react. If someone does that while you're on a bike, it's deadly.
SOME Harley riders rev their engines at stop lights. Not all. Just like SOME people with good sound systems shake the pictures off your walls as they drive by... not all.
Funny how all the experienced riders here readily accept that loud pipes get you noticed, and therefore enhance safety.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Exactly. Helmets and leather will do more to protect yourself than stupidly loud pipes. There is some to being loud enough to be noticed, but the typical Harley bike is excessive on this level.
All the leather and fiberglass in the world will not help you if a car swerves into your lane at 80 miles per hour because they didn't know you were there.
And I rather prevent an accident so my leather and helmet won't have to protect me after the fact.
Finally, while open pipes are excessive, pipes do need to be loud enough to be heard through closed car windows, blaring stereos, screaming kids and chatty cell phone users.
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Poor baby. Need a diaper change?Originally posted by: kalster
move right next to an airport. so even at night you will have pleasure knowing that you are so 'manly' that you can stand noise all night long. so 'macho' of you to be able to listen to other people's annoying noise and not whine like a 'pussy' :disgust:
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Exactly. Helmets and leather will do more to protect yourself than stupidly loud pipes. There is some to being loud enough to be noticed, but the typical Harley bike is excessive on this level.
All the leather and fiberglass in the world will not help you if a car swerves into your lane at 80 miles per hour because they didn't know you were there.
And I rather prevent an accident so my leather and helmet won't have to protect me after the fact.
Finally, while open pipes are excessive, pipes do need to be loud enough to be heard through closed car windows, blaring stereos, screaming kids and chatty cell phone users.
Loud pipes do not prevent all accidents. Do you think all motorcycle accidents involve other people/vehicles? Most don't. Layovers, slides, etc. are more common than the multiple vehicle accidents. Loud pipes don't do crap to stop asphalt & loose rocks whereas leather does (help).
Someone who is blaring a stereo and not paying attention isn't going to hear pipes unless they are so loud they'll make everyone who can hear you cheer for when you do get in a wreck to shut you up.
I ride motorcycles and agree that having somewhat loud exhaust is neccessary, but there is a limit to how loud they need to be.
Riding in shorts and a t-shirt and no helmet with loud pipes -> ignorant.
Originally posted by: Robor
Of course. When you're on a bike you're more vulnerable. One fact that I believe is being ignored or overlooked is you don't *have* to ride on a bike and if you choose to do so you take on those risks. And while 'loud pipes' *may* make your ride more safe it doesn't give you the right to break the law and piss off everyone around you with them. It's no different than me driving around with my bright lights on. Sure it makes it easier for me to see but it pisses off those around me and is illegal.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: kalster
the most annoying are those group of bikers, the noise is deafening,
But you see them, don't you? You stop what you're doing and look for them, don't you?
THAT is why we do it. I agree that open pipes are a bit much, but stock is ridiculous and unsafe.
So it would be okay if I modified my car to have the horn always on while moving? That way other drivers would hear me as well. Would that be okay? Maybe everyone should do that.
I'm sorry but IMO the extremely loud pipes are for show and the Harley riders who can't let their bike sit at idle at a light for 15 seconds without reving it further prove that. They might like the sound but most people around them likely do not.
If someone comes into your lane when you're in a car, it's a scartch and a dent if you don't over react. If someone does that while you're on a bike, it's deadly.
SOME Harley riders rev their engines at stop lights. Not all. Just like SOME people with good sound systems shake the pictures off your walls as they drive by... not all.
Funny how all the experienced riders here readily accept that loud pipes get you noticed, and therefore enhance safety.
Originally posted by: Robor
Of course. When you're on a bike you're more vulnerable. One fact that I believe is being ignored or overlooked is you don't *have* to ride on a bike and if you choose to do so you take on those risks. And while 'loud pipes' *may* make your ride more safe it doesn't give you the right to break the law and piss off everyone around you with them. It's no different than me driving around with my bright lights on. Sure it makes it easier for me to see but it pisses off those around me and is illegal.
You whiney little girl, if it bothers you just file a complaint, at 3 in the morning the offender should be easy for the cops to catch and cite. Of course it's easier for you to snivel on the internet and lump all of those who ride V Twins as being inconsiderate than to actually take the time to file the complaint.Originally posted by: kalster
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Poor baby. Need a diaper change?Originally posted by: kalster
move right next to an airport. so even at night you will have pleasure knowing that you are so 'manly' that you can stand noise all night long. so 'macho' of you to be able to listen to other people's annoying noise and not whine like a 'pussy' :disgust:
no, I need a 'manly' guy riding 'safely' at 3 am to ride through my block
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
How many deaths by train are there a year compared to Motorcyclists getting hit by cars where the driver didn't notice them?Originally posted by: franksta
Originally posted by: ballmode
they are loud, they caught your attention, more likely to be noticed so people dont run them over
If this were true then nobody would ever get hit by trains.
Originally posted by: Amused
Your brights are a safety hazard to other drivers. My pipes are not.
And if my pipes piss you off so much, you may want to reevaluate your life. If something so little bothers you so much, it may be because your life is so good. Why not take the time to actually enjoy your great, comfortable life instead of allowing such trivial things bother you.
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Amused
Your brights are a safety hazard to other drivers. My pipes are not.
And if my pipes piss you off so much, you may want to reevaluate your life. If something so little bothers you so much, it may be because your life is so good. Why not take the time to actually enjoy your great, comfortable life instead of allowing such trivial things bother you.
Okay then let's go back to driving around with the horn going all the time. How would you like me to drive through your neighborhood at 2am on a work night with my horn going? It's not a safety hazard and it will alert everyone that I'm there so I don't run into them and they don't run into me.
On the contrary it definately would be a safety hazard for you.Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Amused
Your brights are a safety hazard to other drivers. My pipes are not.
And if my pipes piss you off so much, you may want to reevaluate your life. If something so little bothers you so much, it may be because your life is so good. Why not take the time to actually enjoy your great, comfortable life instead of allowing such trivial things bother you.
Okay then let's go back to driving around with the horn going all the time. How would you like me to drive through your neighborhood at 2am on a work night with my horn going? It's not a safety hazard and it will alert everyone that I'm there so I don't run into them and they don't run into me.
I would venture to guess that most of the people advocating 'loud pipes' are talking about something that is far above the legal sound limit. Just because they aren't ticketed doesn't mean they're legal. Same goes for the obnoxiously loud 'fart pipes' on some of the ricers.Originally posted by: jagec
You do realize that most of the bikers on here are not advocating open headers, or illegally loud pipes?
So I take it you're against crosswalks too, right? I mean, pedestrians don't *have* to cross the street, they could always drive, and they're so inconvenient to the flow of traffic! When you choose to cross the street, you know what you're getting into, and have no right whatsoever to cause an inconvenience to the far more numerous cars. Stupid pedestrians...get a CAR you fvckers!
Of course, the personal comfort of the status quo is FAR more important than the considerations of anyone who chooses to do something that is not already done by a majority of the population. How dare they! Must be commies or something. CONFORM, bastards!
People take measures to insure their safety while participating in something that is a little more risky than usual and you whine because it occasionally annoys you? BooHoo!Originally posted by: Robor
I would venture to guess that most of the people advocating 'loud pipes' are talking about something that is far above the legal sound limit. Just because they aren't ticketed doesn't mean they're legal. Same goes for the obnoxiously loud 'fart pipes' on some of the ricers.Originally posted by: jagec
You do realize that most of the bikers on here are not advocating open headers, or illegally loud pipes?
So I take it you're against crosswalks too, right? I mean, pedestrians don't *have* to cross the street, they could always drive, and they're so inconvenient to the flow of traffic! When you choose to cross the street, you know what you're getting into, and have no right whatsoever to cause an inconvenience to the far more numerous cars. Stupid pedestrians...get a CAR you fvckers!
Of course, the personal comfort of the status quo is FAR more important than the considerations of anyone who chooses to do something that is not already done by a majority of the population. How dare they! Must be commies or something. CONFORM, bastards!
What? Your crosswalk analogy is way in left field and I like how you attempt to twist my words. I said nothing about conforming or commies. I said if you choose to ride a motorcycle you do so knowing it's less safe than a car. I have friends that ride and they say it's a blast. They ask me if I want to try it but I don't want to because I don't choose to take that risk. It's that simple.
No, you need to stop beating that dead horse.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Amused
Your brights are a safety hazard to other drivers. My pipes are not.
And if my pipes piss you off so much, you may want to reevaluate your life. If something so little bothers you so much, it may be because your life is so good. Why not take the time to actually enjoy your great, comfortable life instead of allowing such trivial things bother you.
Okay then let's go back to driving around with the horn going all the time. How would you like me to drive through your neighborhood at 2am on a work night with my horn going? It's not a safety hazard and it will alert everyone that I'm there so I don't run into them and they don't run into me.
Again, if a car comes into your lane it's a fender bender. If they come into my lane, it's deadly. It's far more important that bikes be noticed because the results of minor accidents are deadly AND bikes are smaller.
You need to stop. You're just sounding petty and desperate now.
People take measures to insure their safety while participating in something that is a little more risky than usual and you whine because it occasionally annoys you? BooHoo![/quote]Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
People take measures to insure their safety while participating in something that is a little more risky than usual and you whine because it occasionally annoys you? BooHoo!Originally posted by: Robor
I would venture to guess that most of the people advocating 'loud pipes' are talking about something that is far above the legal sound limit. Just because they aren't ticketed doesn't mean they're legal. Same goes for the obnoxiously loud 'fart pipes' on some of the ricers.Originally posted by: jagec
You do realize that most of the bikers on here are not advocating open headers, or illegally loud pipes?
So I take it you're against crosswalks too, right? I mean, pedestrians don't *have* to cross the street, they could always drive, and they're so inconvenient to the flow of traffic! When you choose to cross the street, you know what you're getting into, and have no right whatsoever to cause an inconvenience to the far more numerous cars. Stupid pedestrians...get a CAR you fvckers!
Of course, the personal comfort of the status quo is FAR more important than the considerations of anyone who chooses to do something that is not already done by a majority of the population. How dare they! Must be commies or something. CONFORM, bastards!
What? Your crosswalk analogy is way in left field and I like how you attempt to twist my words. I said nothing about conforming or commies. I said if you choose to ride a motorcycle you do so knowing it's less safe than a car. I have friends that ride and they say it's a blast. They ask me if I want to try it but I don't want to because I don't choose to take that risk. It's that simple.
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
People take measures to insure their safety while participating in something that is a little more risky than usual and you whine because it occasionally annoys you? BooHoo!Originally posted by: Robor
I would venture to guess that most of the people advocating 'loud pipes' are talking about something that is far above the legal sound limit. Just because they aren't ticketed doesn't mean they're legal. Same goes for the obnoxiously loud 'fart pipes' on some of the ricers.Originally posted by: jagec
You do realize that most of the bikers on here are not advocating open headers, or illegally loud pipes?
So I take it you're against crosswalks too, right? I mean, pedestrians don't *have* to cross the street, they could always drive, and they're so inconvenient to the flow of traffic! When you choose to cross the street, you know what you're getting into, and have no right whatsoever to cause an inconvenience to the far more numerous cars. Stupid pedestrians...get a CAR you fvckers!
Of course, the personal comfort of the status quo is FAR more important than the considerations of anyone who chooses to do something that is not already done by a majority of the population. How dare they! Must be commies or something. CONFORM, bastards!
What? Your crosswalk analogy is way in left field and I like how you attempt to twist my words. I said nothing about conforming or commies. I said if you choose to ride a motorcycle you do so knowing it's less safe than a car. I have friends that ride and they say it's a blast. They ask me if I want to try it but I don't want to because I don't choose to take that risk. It's that simple.
To be honest it really doesn't annoy me very much. The few minutes I'm next to a loud bike at a light are not what I'm talking about here. If it bothers me or my passenger that much I roll up the windows - no big deal. It's when inconsiderate dickheads drive through a neighborhood and deliberately throttle it so everyone sees/hears them. *THEY* are the safety hazard there because *THEY* are speeding where kids play. This happens all the time at my friends place. The same dickhead that does that on his Harley was out running his POS Firebird full throttle up and down the street last weekend. Seemed like he was tuning it because he'd make a pass then come back, do something under the hood, and repeat. After about 5 times I got up and yelled, "WTF is your problem!!??". He did stop but looking back I guess I was whining... :roll:
You are when you use this guy as an example. Obviously this guy is a dickhead whether he is riding his bike or driving his Camaro.Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
People take measures to insure their safety while participating in something that is a little more risky than usual and you whine because it occasionally annoys you? BooHoo!Originally posted by: Robor
I would venture to guess that most of the people advocating 'loud pipes' are talking about something that is far above the legal sound limit. Just because they aren't ticketed doesn't mean they're legal. Same goes for the obnoxiously loud 'fart pipes' on some of the ricers.Originally posted by: jagec
You do realize that most of the bikers on here are not advocating open headers, or illegally loud pipes?
So I take it you're against crosswalks too, right? I mean, pedestrians don't *have* to cross the street, they could always drive, and they're so inconvenient to the flow of traffic! When you choose to cross the street, you know what you're getting into, and have no right whatsoever to cause an inconvenience to the far more numerous cars. Stupid pedestrians...get a CAR you fvckers!
Of course, the personal comfort of the status quo is FAR more important than the considerations of anyone who chooses to do something that is not already done by a majority of the population. How dare they! Must be commies or something. CONFORM, bastards!
What? Your crosswalk analogy is way in left field and I like how you attempt to twist my words. I said nothing about conforming or commies. I said if you choose to ride a motorcycle you do so knowing it's less safe than a car. I have friends that ride and they say it's a blast. They ask me if I want to try it but I don't want to because I don't choose to take that risk. It's that simple.
To be honest it really doesn't annoy me very much. The few minutes I'm next to a loud bike at a light are not what I'm talking about here. If it bothers me or my passenger that much I roll up the windows - no big deal. It's when inconsiderate dickheads drive through a neighborhood and deliberately throttle it so everyone sees/hears them. *THEY* are the safety hazard there because *THEY* are speeding where kids play. This happens all the time at my friends place. The same dickhead that does that on his Harley was out running his POS Firebird full throttle up and down the street last weekend. Seemed like he was tuning it because he'd make a pass then come back, do something under the hood, and repeat. After about 5 times I got up and yelled, "WTF is your problem!!??". He did stop but looking back I guess I was whining... :roll:
It's not just that guy - he's just an example. And I'm not saying that everyone with loud pipes does that but nearly every time I see/hear it being done it's by someone with a loud bike.Originally posted by: Amused
So anyone with loud pipes are now irresponsible people who speed up and down neighborhood streets?
Your problem is you're annoyed by one person near you, and ignorantly believe all people with loud pipes are like them.
Gee, isn't that how bigotry starts?
Originally posted by: Robor
It's not just that guy - he's just an example. And I'm not saying that everyone with loud pipes does that but nearly every time I see/hear it being done it's by someone with a loud bike.Originally posted by: Amused
So anyone with loud pipes are now irresponsible people who speed up and down neighborhood streets?
Your problem is you're annoyed by one person near you, and ignorantly believe all people with loud pipes are like them.
Gee, isn't that how bigotry starts?
I am not arguing that having a loud bike isn't safer for the rider while in traffic. While I don't know how much it helps I don't think I ever said it doesn't help at all. And I'm not even 'whining' about that. My point is, there's no need for some dork to drive through a parking lot or through a neighborhood at full throttle just so everyone sees and hears him on his loud bike. Same as reving at a stop light. It's very 'attention whorish'.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Robor
It's not just that guy - he's just an example. And I'm not saying that everyone with loud pipes does that but nearly every time I see/hear it being done it's by someone with a loud bike.Originally posted by: Amused
So anyone with loud pipes are now irresponsible people who speed up and down neighborhood streets?
Your problem is you're annoyed by one person near you, and ignorantly believe all people with loud pipes are like them.
Gee, isn't that how bigotry starts?
Maybe because it's loud you NOTICE it? See how that works? You NOTICE the loud idiots and look for them. You don't see the speed freaks with quiet pipes because you don;t hear them and look for them. But I promise they exist. Not only people with loud pipes speed and endanger others.
That's why my bike is loud. So idiots look for me and SEE me.
Thanks for making my point without even knowing it.