Do not join the army!!! Its hell and they forget to tell you the truth at the recruiters...

[cipher00]

Yes. It can be difficult. Most of the engineers I knew went out of their way to call themselves Combat Engineers. I listened, bemused (I was field artillery ).

But now, for some amusement: Imagine using the telephone.....

> Thank you for calling the United States Army. I'm sorry, but all of our
> units are out at the moment, or are otherwise engaged. Please leave a
> message with your country, name of organization, the region, the specific
> crisis, and a number at which we can call you. As soon as we have sorted
> out the Balkans, Iraq, Korea, China, the Y2K Bug, marching up and down the
> streets of Washington, D.C., and compulsory "Consideration Of Others"
> training, we will return your call.
> Please speak after the tone, or if you require more options, please listen
> to the following numbers:
> If your crisis is small, and close to the sea, press 1 for the United
> States Marine Corps.
> If your concern is distant, with a temperate climate and good hotels, and
> can be solved by one or two low risk, high altitude bombing runs, please
> press 2 for the United States Air Force. Please note this service is not
> available after 1630 hours, or on weekends. Special consideration will be
> given to customers requiring satellite or stealth technology who can
> provide additional research and development funding.
> If your inquiry concerns a situation which can be resolved by a bit of
> grey funnel, bunting, flags and a really good marching band, please write,
> well in advance, to the United States Navy. Please note that Tomahawk
> missile service is extremely limited and will be provided on a first-come,
> first-served basis.
> If your inquiry is not urgent, please press 3 for the Rapid Deployment
> Force.
> If you are in real hot trouble, please press 4, and your call will be
> routed to the United States Army Special Operations Command. Please note
> that a compulsory credit check will be required to ensure you can afford
> the inherent TDY costs. Also be aware that USASOC may bill your account
> at any time and is not required to tell you why, as it will be classified.
>
> If you are interested in joining the Army and wish to be shouted at, paid
> little, fly aircraft the FAA would not certify, have premature arthritis,
> put your wife and family in a condemned hut miles from civilization, are
> prepared to work your *** off daily, risking your life, in all weather and
> terrain, both day and night, and whilst watching Congress erode your
> original benefits package, then please stay on the line. Your call will
> shortly be connected to a bitter passed-over Army Recruiter in an old
> strip mall down by the Post Office. Have a pleasant day, and thank you
> again for trying to contact the United States Army.

 

[UsandThem]

My Basic training experience:

6:00 Wakeup
6:01-6:10 Get dressed, make bed, shave and brush teeth, and get outside and get in formation.
6:11-6:15 Hear stupid safety briefings
6:16-6:25 Go back to barracks and clean up what everyone created from 6:01-6:10
6:26-6:30 Eat breakfast
6:30-8:00 excercise (usually stretch and run 1 1/2 miles in 20 minutes )
8:01-8:02 shower
8:03-9:00 march
9:01-11:30 fold clothes
11:31-11:40 eat lunch
11:50-2:00 refold all clothes
2:01-5:00 Go to briefing and classes
5:01-6:00 Fold clothes
6:01-6:10 Eat dinner
6:11-to bedtime Fold clothes
Midnight after TI left-Go use the bathroom to get get rid of those 3 meals :Q
It was 6 weeks long. I never thought I would make it

Go Air Force!

 

[thebestMAX]

They let you sleep till 6 now?? 4:30 when I was at Lackland.

Some funny stuff in there but where was your "Chow runner"?

 

[MISTER 2 U]

Hive,

<<<<<<<IF you were in the gulf war you will know it wasnt as one-sided as they made it sound. I was surprised to find out that over 350 Army personnel died in that action.>>>>>>

YES it was as one sided as they made it sound.Thier Soldiers were coming out of thier foxholes surrending as fast as they could.As far as the 350 deaths about 100 0r so were maybe combat.We took our biggest hit when a scud hit a barrecks
I don't rember the death toll. The others were stupid people picking up souvenirs like mines and other stuff that whent booooooom.Also there were alot of traffic deaths by people driving to fast or playing around.

<<<<<<Putting 16 year-olds in the same platoon with 25-30 year olds is not smart. What works for one age-group does not work for another. The older crowd does not need to be talked down to like the younger people.>>>>


There is NO AGE GROUP the military trains everyone the same. Thier training manuals are written so a fourth grader or
someone from Texas could understand them.


<<<<<<<FYI my DI was kicked out for being too hard on his recruits. >>>>>>>
What a bunch of PUSSIES did he hurt your squad's feilings then you complained and got him booted

Russ,
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Napoleon complex? Girl, you better reach and feel again.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ROFLMAO

 

[BoberFett]

<< Thier training manuals are written so a fourth grader or someone from Texas could understand them. >>

BWAHAHAHA! That qualifies as the funniest thing I've read here lately!

 

[monckywrench]

Yer post brings back memories, antiABIT. Well I remember the quest to assemble the perfect wall locker... And of course the poor guy in the flight next door who lost a 341 for masturbating.

 

[Aceman]

<< BWAHAHAHA! That qualifies as the funniest thing I've read here lately! >>



That's not funny Boberfett! We gots one of dem colleeege edgumacated soldiers in Hive! He's much to smart to read at the 4th grade level. He's much to good to work together with those &quot;mythical&quot; 16yr olds. (They're split option trainees that are 17 yrs old). He's gonna be an officer. You know he's destine to get his commission, get his command, treat those Sergeants like their beneath him, and then get relieved of his command because that NCO washed his hands of trying to help his officer out. And then those damn NCOs get blamed again.

25yrs old and has that attitude. I've seen 18yr old soldiers with more maturity and respect than he.

 

[Jarhead]

MISTER 2 U

>Hive,
>
><<<<<<<IF you were in the gulf war you will know it wasnt as one-sided as they
>made it sound. I was surprised to find out that over 350 Army personnel died in
>that action.>>>>>>
>
>YES it was as one sided as they made it sound.Thier Soldiers were coming out of
>thier foxholes surrending as fast as they could.As far as the 350 deaths about
>100 0r so were maybe combat.We took our biggest hit when a scud hit a barrecks
>I don't rember the death toll. The others were stupid people picking up
>souvenirs like mines and other stuff that whent booooooom.Also there were alot
>of traffic deaths by people driving to fast or playing around.

Had to read that one a second time. As I remember, the Army didn't see
alot of &quot;action&quot; over there, and the Army had to do a hail Mary to get
accross the desert so they could get some action, before the Marines
finished things up. Go read about the battle from a historical reference,
without all the hype.

I do remember reading in the paper, that once the number of Army personnel
were taken into account, and the amount of time over there, that they
had less deaths during the actual assuault, than while they were waiting
for the air campaign to finish up, and in both cases, they had less deaths
than they would have had stateside.

On a side note, during the battle, there were more U.S. Marines killed
by the U.S. Air Force, than were killed by the enemy. Go figure!

 

[spamboy]

Sounds like Full Metal Jacket.

 

[burnedout]

Aceman: You're funny and very correct. Seems too many in the officer corps blame NCOs when things go wrong.

I remember during the USAREC course about talking to applicants regarding jobs for RA enlistment.

&quot;Don't mention Rocket Scientist or Brain Surgeon. Also, say nothing about officer.&quot; The instructor adds &quot;Every 17 year old thinks they can be the next George Patton with only a high school diploma&quot;.

Then I arrive at my recruiting company in Knoxville, TN. First Sergeant was an old school recruiter. &quot;Talk to applicants about jobs. Ask them what they want&quot;.

Those were the days. Behind the pressure plate.

 

[MISTER 2 U]

Jarhead,
I wasn't trying to say we were thier first or not, what I was trying to say is what you said.

>I do remember reading in the paper, that once the number of Army personnel
>were taken into account, and the amount of time over there, that they
>had less deaths during the actual assuault, than while they were waiting
>for the air campaign to finish up, and in both cases, they had less deaths
>than they would have had stateside.

>On a side note, during the battle, there were more U.S. Marines killed
>by the U.S. Air Force, than were killed by the enemy. Go figure!

That is, thier was a higher number of deaths by accidents then in combat.

As far as being on the front line I was close enough.

PS: I thaught the Army got there just in time to bail out the Marines as always

 

[Jarhead]

The U.S. Marine bootcamp portrayed in Full Metal
Jacket was really pretty lame my what I experienced.
Of course, in these days of a kinder, gentiler,
politicallly correct military, as forced upon
us by Congress, I guess it may seem extreme to
folks.

When I had friends who said their sons were thinking
about joining the Marine Corps, I had their sons
watch full metal jacket, and told them that that was
what they needed to be prepared for, maybe, just a
tad tougher, and it took a hell of alot more brains.
That movie made the guys look pretty stupid.

When I went out for those 30 day deals to help the
recruiters, I'd show their poolees full metal jacket,
and explain what was tougher in real life, (since it
made alot of things seem a little easier than reality).

Things are not fair in war, you don't get to re-take
a test if you fail, you die. If you make the wrong
mistake, not only will you die, so will your fellow
Marines. If you don't remember how to do something,
my you die. If your feet hurt, or you have a pain
in your back, the war does not stop for you. You
don't get to walk out the door and say I quit. It
really sucks, and the odds are usually against you,
and the enemy cheats. It is best to train as though
all hell broke loose, as that it reality. Mental
pressures during war can be staggering.

Of course, you could train to be a Marine or a soldier,
be nice, get eight hours of sleep, or even drop a card
on the floor like the Navy does, when you feel stressed,
so the Drill Instructor has to leave you alone for 15
minutes. Me, I'd like to be prepared, as I plan on going
home after the war. Anything less, and the military is
cheating you.

Go to the library and grab a few books, written by folks
who were in battle, that are about their experiences.
Read them, and understand what war is about.

Boot Camp is not college, or training for the Olympics.
It is about preparing you to survive in battle. Unless
you are Air Force. Then it is about how to interact
with the Air Force, how to wear your uniform, and what
the rules are while you are in. They are not trained
to defend themselves if the enemy attacks their base.
But their MPs are trained how to delay and defend, while
the personnel retreat. You can read repeated stories
about this in books on 'Nam. Personally, I feel alot
better knowing that I know how to defend myself and how
to work as a team to kick some *ss.

That movie sure brought back so many memories.

 

[HiveTyrant]

Ace for someone criticizing anothers maturity, your sure acting a tad immature yourself.. If I ever do make it to an Officers Commission Ill try my best to be fair, as Ive seen too often how Officers can be. But with that smart-ass attitude Im surprised you still are an NCO, of course your probably good at kissing ass. Why cant you just admit that the Army doesnt tell the whole truth? Do you deny that they hide the facts and dont tell the new recruits everything and the whole picture?

You know better then anyone that the Army is in serious need of new recruits. So youre saying recruiters dont leave facts out when they are trying to recruit? I think the Marines are the most stright-foward about BT and AIT..

Im sorry you feel insecure about a E4 being a bit smarter then you, sorry but we know more then &quot;YES DRILL SEARGENT!!&quot; down here. To tell you the truth I felt dumbed-down when I left BT, they dont let you think for yourself one bit...

 

[warcleric]

Jarhead: yeah you guys got there so fast you ended up shooting each other out of boredom. As far as action, I was there and I didnt see any of you Moron errr marines up front, it was mostly ARMY Armor leading the way....and we saw a little action, they werent surrendering at first, believe me. It happened alot like Somalia, you guys got there real fast but then didnt do sh!t except camp out.

 

[Aceman]

<< Im sorry you feel insecure about a E4 being a bit smarter then you, sorry but we know more then &quot;YES DRILL SEARGENT!!&quot; down here. To tell you the truth I felt dumbed-down when I left BT, they dont let you think for yourself one bit >>



Hive, I have no insecurity about an E4 being smarter than me. (I have a genius level IQ, I have a 2yr Associates degree in Criminal Justice Studies, and currently working on a 4yr degree in Pre-Law, on top of that I have a few computer certifications under my belt.) You are an E4. YOU'RE NOT PAID TO THINK FOR YOURSELF ONE BIT. At least not outside of the box. You're paid to react. When you reach my rank, you can think a bit. And by that time, you'll realize that it doesn't matter what you think, only what you do and how you get it done.





<< But with that smart-ass attitude Im surprised you still are an NCO, of course your probably good at kissing ass. >>



By the time I was your age of 25, I had 7yrs under my belt and was a weathered E6 waiting for the Time in Service eligibility to make E7. I had no BS achievement awards....NONE! Just solid evaluations summing up that I got the job done and I took very good care of my soldiers. So there was no ass kissing. With my attitude towards officers, it would be very hard to kiss ass to the top.




<< Why cant you just admit that the Army doesnt tell the whole truth? Do you deny that they hide the facts and dont tell the new recruits everything and the whole picture? >>



I've never said that the Army doesn't tell the whole truth. In the words of Jack Nicholson, &quot;YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.&quot; So the Army is suppose to sell itself on a slogan that everyone has a job that will take them to the front lines in combat. That there are times you will be deployed for 6 months or more to some sh!thole in war and peace??? Does a future employer tell you all the crap parts of the job you'll deal with in a corporation? NO! The whole picture would not sell the Army. It would not sell a job in corporate America! I started off in the Army as a Legal Specialist. It taught me squat about a legal system. I've held at least 6 different MOS's in the Army. They're mainly glamourize titles.



<< You know better then anyone that the Army is in serious need of new recruits. So youre saying recruiters dont leave facts out when they are trying to recruit? I think the Marines are the most stright-foward about BT and AIT >>



The Army is in serious need of new recruits because we have people that join just to take take take the money offers. &quot;Kids&quot; no longer want to serve for patriotic reasons or for an average paying job.
&quot;You mean I got this big bonus and college money and I have to put my life on the line in a dangerous job???????&quot; WOW! What a concept!

And no Hive, I'm not, nor have I ever been a Drill Sergeant or a Recruiter. Never wanted to be either and would drop my papers to get out if I was forced into Recruiting. I enjoy what I do right now and that's teaching, training and developing my section of young soldiers. They are taught by me advanced combat environment skills and how to react more than their clerical skills. I'd rather have my soldiers come home alive because they remembered how to survive than in a body bag because they thought on their own that there was a better way of dodging a bullet.

 

[BoberFett]

Aceman

I actually was 17 when I joined and shipped off. I graduated high school when I was 16, and had my parents sign for me because I wasn't 18. I also had a friend who joined when he was 15 or 16. Don't ask me how or why he did it, I kind of lost track of him. But he was running away from home basically, and somehow forged a signature or something.

But the army does not knowingly recruit kids.

 

[HiveTyrant]

Ace, the Army isnt just any job. A job normally doesnt involve getting shot at and putting your balls on the line. So the Army should tell the whole story when you go in to sign up. When someone goes in for infantry, they know they will be shot at. When someone signs up at engineer corps or administration they are not expecting front line duty. But thats what the Recruiters DONT tell you. This isnt something that should be hidden, when you go in they should tell you exaclty what the job should surmise. Dont give me this &quot;You cant handle the truth crap&quot;. If thats the case people who cant handle the truth shouldnt be told to join by the recruiter.

Id much rather have someone in a platoon with me who knew what they were getting into then someone who thought he was just going ot be an engineer. This isnt something you play with.

 

[BoberFett]

Need a tissue?

 

[Aceman]

Okay....First of all, what is your MOS? Is it 12B? If it is, then your contract will state &quot;Enlisted for: 12B COMBAT Engineer. Wow! And a Guidance Counselor sat you down in an office and explained the job to you. There probably was a tape showing the job in it's mildest sense. Now how many soldier would the Army get if they said, &quot;And by the way, in most of our jobs you may get shot at.&quot;

I'm still trying to figure out your disillusioned MOS. I'm a trained 12B Combat Engineer. (I'm also trained in Field Artilery and Infantry.) I don't recall ever working with water. That's a 77W Water Purification/Handler MOS.

I don't think you'll find much support for your crusade as it appears that most people here that are responding are combat arms. Geesh! Boberfett, did the recruiter tell you that as a Forward Observer that those artillery shells that I sent down range a few years ago might fall short and kill you? Or that you're going out in front of the lines where the enemy is crawling? I doubt it. I'm sure you took the 13F job because of the bonus they paid you.

 

[BoberFett]

Haha, the video I saw at the MEPS was nothing like 13F turned out to be. The actual MOS description was Fire Support Specialist. I didn't hear the term FORWARD Observer until I hit BT. The video I saw showed a bunch of guys driving around in tracked vehicles with computers and laser targeting systems. I worked with those for about a total of one week in my entire military career.

There was no mention of me being a front line grunt. Humping for miles and miles with nothing but my ruck, an M16, a pair of binoculars, a map and a radio. They never mentioned that the average life expectancy of a 13F in combat is measure in seconds.

But I sucked it up, grew a pair of testicles, and when I look back it was one of the best experiences of my life.

And you're right, I was eyeing that bonus when I joined, they needed 13F so I got a larger bonus. But what did I know, I was 17 and my eyes were glazed over just thinking about joining the military.

 

[Aceman]

(The next thing he'll complain about is the fact that the Recruiter never told him that he'll more than likey lose a lot of his hearing in that job.)

 

[mcveigh]

So he joined the army wanting or expecting to never do anything dangerous?
what a joke...
besides getting shot at lets you know you're alive

 

[Jarhead]

Warcleric- (Please pay attention to comments made by General Schwarzkopf, listed later on, below)

You must have been an Army recruiter. I believe you are filling the air with a whole lot of childish Army B.S., as usual.

When I went on Recruiter Assistance, I was amazed when a young man came into our office, and as we showed him as what he would expect, he'd counter with things the Army had told him. Pulled out the Army MOS descriptions manual (whatever it was called), and showed him what the actual duties were. He then proceeded to tell me how there was no possibility that he'd ever see combat. &quot;Say what?!?, what do you think the Army is, a bunch of cheerleaders?&quot; One of the greatest sources for guys joining the Marines was young quite a few Army Privates, and PFCs, who often had the story, &quot;The Army guaranteed me XXXX MOS.&quot; When the fine print was read on the contract, what they were actually guaranteed was training in XXXX MOS, which has nothing whatsoever to do with a guarantee that you will be XXXX MOS. They'd get their training, and then get assigned to another MOS.

>Jarhead: yeah you guys got there so fast you ended up shooting each other out
>of boredom. As far as action, I was there and I didnt see any of you Moron
>errr marines up front, it was mostly ARMY Armor leading the way....and we saw
>a little action, they werent surrendering at first, believe me. It happened
>alot like Somalia, you guys got there real fast but then didnt do sh!t except
>camp out.

Okay, fool. Time for the day of reckoning...

Picked a source other than the Marines for the following.
DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER
http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/dstorm/ds5.htm


SUPPORT FOR THE TROOPS: THE GROUND WAR. During the weeks prior to &quot;G-day,&quot; Marine units, including artillery, reconnaissance and combined arms task forces, were busy disrupting Iraqi defensive positions. Marine artillery and Army multiple-launch rocket systems, using Air Force airborne spotters as well as Marine forward and aerial observers and clandestine recon teams inside enemy territory, had enormous success with artillery raids and roving gun tactics. Coalition air forces pounded the enemy day and night. Naval gunfire from the battleships Missouri and Wisconsin provided the &quot;Sunday punch&quot; that helped soften up the future battlefield.


On the night of 23 February, Marine units all along the Kuwait border moved into final attack positions and waited for the order to commence the ground offensive. Real-time and near-real-time tactical reconnaissance were provided by Navy and Marine Corps UAVs and Navy F-14s equipped with the tactical air reconnaissance pod system (TARPS). The deadline set by President Bush for Iraq to get out of Kuwait had expired.


Iraq had no &quot;eyes&quot; over the battlefield with which to observe the allied strategy. While the United States and its coalition partners unleashed General Schwarzkopf's &quot;Hail Mary&quot; play, the Iraqis were convinced that the battle would be joined at the center of their defensive lines along the Saudi-Kuwait border, and by amphibious assault.


What the Iraqis could not realize was that the allies had secretly moved two entire corps of American forces (the Army's 7th and 18th), supported by British and French divisions, far to the west in one of the largest and swiftest battlefield troop movements in history. This giant &quot;end run&quot; by more than 250,000 soldiers spread over several hundred miles, moved deep into Iraqi territory from the Saudi border behind the Iraqi forces to deliver a fatal &quot;left hook.&quot; The flanking maneuver not only cut off all avenues of retreat north and west of Kuwait, it fulfilled Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Colin Powell's prediction that the coalition-- specifically the American military --were going to &quot;cut off the head ... and kill&quot; the Iraqi army.


The Marine Corps, with the support of Navy air power, was tasked with going for the jugular. After performing their own deception by shifting both Marine divisions some 40 to 50 miles northeast from their original staging area, the Marines stepped off into battle. The 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions, each more than 18,000 strong, and the U.S. Army 1st Brigade (&quot;Tiger Brigade&quot, 2nd Armored Division, plunged into the attack. They were supported by the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing and thousands of combat service support staff from the 1st and 2nd Force Service Support Groups (these are Marine units-Jarhead), and by Navy air forces.


On their way, the Marines had to cross two belts of minefields, 12-foot high sand berms, barbed-wire defenses, booby traps and fire trenches, all the while under sporadic attack by Iraqi artillery. These &quot;impenetrable barriers&quot; were quickly breached by the Marine teams. As the two Marine divisions advanced, two Saudi and Qatari task forces moved up Kuwait's east coast in a similar drive. The initial Marine advance was described by Schwarzkopf in his 27 February briefing as follows:


&quot;It was a classic, absolutely classic military breaching of a very, very tough minefield, barbed wire, fire trench-type barrier. They went through the first barrier like it was water. Then they brought both divisions steaming through that breach. Absolutely superb operation -- a textbook, and I think it will be studied for many, many years to come as the way to do it.&quot;


Overhead, Cobras, Harriers and Intruders provided close-air support as the Marines pushed forward meeting occasional resistance. Navy A-6 Intruders laid down heavy barrages. Marine aircraft attacked in waves as engineers continued to shoot line charges and drop bundles of plastic pipes near trenches so the blade tanks could form makeshift bridges. Even though the 1st Division Marines encountered artillery fire and a mechanized counter-attack, their attack proved unstoppable. Most Iraqis fought for only a few minutes before surrendering. Massive artillery and air support from Navy and Marine aircraft sparked a frenzy of surrender that, at times, slowed the progress of advancing Marine units.


The 2nd Marine Division enjoyed equal success. With the Army's Tiger Brigade on the west flank, the 8th Marine Regiment to the east, and the 6th Marine Regiment in the center, the division kicked off its attack. Within hours they too had breached both defensive belts. Facing enemy mortar and small arms fire, the 2nd Division drove into Kuwait and took more than 5,000 EPWs by the end of the first day.


As Marines continued their attack the sea-based arm of the Navy-Marine Corps team continued to provide support. The battleships continued rapid, responsive gunfire on targets designated by Navy and Marine spotters on the ground and in the air. The amphibious task force in the Persian Gulf continued to demand difficult decisions from the Iraqi generals. Because of the threat of an amphibious landing and the uncertainty of where and when it [word/words missing in text] to ten divisions, totaling 80,000 men, to the defense of the Kuwait coastline. In addition they garrisoned troops and equipment on Bubiyan and Faylaka Islands which command sea approaches to vital areas.


About 7,500 Marines from the 5th MEB were off-loaded from amphibious ships at Saudi Arabian ports at the beginning of the ground attack to serve as the 1st MEF reserve force. Marine AV-8B Harriers, AH-l Cobra helicopters and special operations units from the 4th MEB aided the Arab forces in the east coast drive. On the second day of the ground war, both Marine Divisions faced sporadic resistance as they pushed further into Kuwait. They fought some intense battles along the way, and by the time Kuwait's International Airport was secured on the fourth day of the ground war, the two Marine divisions had defeated an Iraqi force of 11 divisions.


At 0800, Persian Gulf time, 28 February, American forces ceased offensive combat operations by order of the President. In 100 hours of offensive combat, the Marines and one Army Brigade, supported by Navy, Marine and coalition aircraft, destroyed or damaged 1,060 tanks, 608 artillery pieces, five Frog launchers and two Scud launchers, and captured more than 20,000 Iraqi soldiers.

Okay, so WarCleric, what in the heck were all the other Army Brigades doing?
What you said the Marines were doing?

It'd be wasting my time to continue to skyline the rest of your lies. Are you sure you are not a Army Recruiter, currently? Go ahead folks, visit your library, or use a search engine, go read the truth about his other references. While you are at it, might want to check out the Army and Marine actions in Haiti (sp?).

Go tuck your tail and crawl under the table, like my dog.

 

[Jarhead]

Mcveigh

>So he joined the army wanting or expecting to never do anything dangerous?
>what a joke...

I'd be willing to bet a hundred bucks that he may have really felt that, and even guaranteed this by an Army Recruiter, as I have seen an Army Recruiter do this, even with me present in uniform. The kid was going to be a Combat Engineer, he had the kid believing that he'd be designing bridges that would be used in combat, but he would not actually involved in combat. Duh, HELLO MCFLY!!! We had to actually get a retired Army SgtMaj. to call is parents to help him understand.

I know the Army *badly* needs warm bodies, but you really don't need to use a used car salesman's tactics, as those very same actions can come back and hurt you worse in the long run. Besides, many of the kids can see right through the bullshit, and then they wonder why the kid won't join. Heck, I wouldn't either!

 

[Jarhead]

Da bump ^