Do people in I.T. make too much money

[brainhulk]

it's just glorified Geek Squad right?

 

[Anubis]

none of the above

 

[vshah]

For some reason I had the impression you were a doctor of some sort... But you post the dumbest threads, I'm starting to wonder if I was mistaken.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Of course. You can work on a computer and write an ap, BFD. I must say however IT is not as bad as healthcare. Any mouth breather can make 2x what IT people make in that field.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Posting in a troll thread.

 

[TecHNooB]

For some reason I had the impression you were a doctor of some sort... But you post the dumbest threads, I'm starting to wonder if I was mistaken.

he's a pharmacist who works in a hospital. i forget the technical term. and i find his threads to be entertaining

 

[Scarpozzi]

I like how it's comparing no degree or certification fields to degreed fields all the way to post graduate levels.

Rule is when you go to school for 6-10 years after high school and put in 40-90 hour work weeks, you don't get paid too much unless you simply don't pull your weight and make money for the office/practice/firm. Dead weight doesn't deserve the job no matter how much training or experience they have in my opinion.

If an auto mechanic is willing to take a car apart and get his hands greasy, he doesn't get paid too much. The only time I use mechanics is for jobs that require welding or draining/flushing my radiator to keep the mess down.

Most IT folks are underpaid around here. A lot of places are hiring the "IT Guy" and not properly dividing the position into the 4-10 positions it should be. Then they don't spend money on the infrastructure it takes to be up 24/7/365 in stormy weather on weekends. If you factor that in and general 'on call' time for forgotten passwords and other user nonsense, most of those jobs are really bad. Luckily, I don't have to deal with that.

 

[rudder]

he's a pharmacist who works in a hospital. i forget the technical term. and i find his threads to be entertaining

hmm pharmacist... a glorified vending machine.

 

[child of wonder]

Most IT people are underpaid, but correcting that doesn't always mean giving them a raise. It could be by hiring adequate staff so IT people don't have to work 60 hours a week.

Sadly, most businesses see IT as a waste of money; a bottomless pit that only takes but doesn't give anything back. What they fail to realize is that without IT, they're out of business. This is the year 2013, not 1973.

 

[lxskllr]

There's a lot of fraud and waste in many of those professions, but I wouldn't say any one makes too much money as a blanket statement.

 

[CPA]

CPA's are waaaaaaaaaay underpaid.

 

[brainhulk]

CPA's are waaaaaaaaaay underpaid.

turbo tax

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Pharmacists make too much money. They're just glorified vending machines

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[tokie]

Do people consider programming to be IT?

I would only consider IT to be essentially technical support. In which case yes, they are overpaid.

They are useless monkeys who do nothing all day then whine when someone has a computer issue.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Most IT people are underpaid, but correcting that doesn't always mean giving them a raise. It could be by hiring adequate staff so IT people don't have to work 60 hours a week.

Sadly, most businesses see IT as a waste of money; a bottomless pit that only takes but doesn't give anything back. What they fail to realize is that without IT, they're out of business. This is the year 2013, not 1973.

In that way, IT has a lot in common with legal departments. Our job isn't to generate revenue, it's to loss mitigate and/or save the company money. We're a cost center, not a revenue center.

So the engineering, marketing and sales guys look down on us, while they're trying to figure out ways to circumvent the loss and risk mitigation we put in place.

 

[Lash444]

how many other professions can the act of one user completely destroy a company either through malice or negligence? show me a company that thinks IT is merely a waste of money and ill show you a company that is destined for failure.

 

[Sluggo]

Should have put CEOs in the poll, so everyone could be properly outraged.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Do people consider programming to be IT?

Some is necessary, sure. Bigger orgs. will insource web page maintenance, for instance, or develop custom scripts to handle data synchronization between systems. (Our Exchange/AD setup pulls data from the student accounting database, for instance.)

I would only consider IT to be essentially technical support. In which case yes, they are overpaid.

They are useless monkeys who do nothing all day then whine when someone has a computer issue.

False premise.

The "IT" department in a largish organization handles everything from the helpdesk monkey you love to hate, all the way up to the contract-employed SQL programmer who designed, implemented, and maintains (part time) the custom web page database doodad your company built because somebody at the C_O level decided you couldn't use an off-the-shelf solution.

Yeah, if you're a dentists office using all off-the-shelf turnkey solutions for everything, your IT guy is a tech support drone. Either the Geek Squad or Dell equivalent that does their B2B onsite support, or the phone support guy at the company that made your record keeping/scheduling software.

Etc.

But that just means that 99% of the people you deal with are low level drones making $12/hr, whose IT credentials include a 1.8 K/D ratio in CoD and "that one time I installed neon lights in my gaming rig."

The higher-ups in the IT department have the same distaste for that loser that you have for the "boss's nephew" n00b in your department who can't be trusted with anything more complex than fetching coffee.

 

[CPA]

how many other professions can the act of one user completely destroy a company either through malice or negligence? show me a company that thinks IT is merely a waste of money and ill show you a company that is destined for failure.

It doesn't even have to be malice or negligence, it could be one of their numerous, pie-in-the-sky projects that blast through the capital budgets, ends up not working the way it was designed and at the end of the day all costly fixes become "user enhancements".

 

[tokie]

Some is necessary, sure. Bigger orgs. will insource web page maintenance, for instance, or develop custom scripts to handle data synchronization between systems. (Our Exchange/AD setup pulls data from the student accounting database, for instance.)



False premise.

The "IT" department in a largish organization handles everything from the helpdesk monkey you love to hate, all the way up to the contract-employed SQL programmer who designed, implemented, and maintains (part time) the custom web page database doodad your company built because somebody at the C_O level decided you couldn't use an off-the-shelf solution.

Yeah, if you're a dentists office using all off-the-shelf components, your IT guy is a tech support drone. Either the Geek Squad or Dell equivalent that does their B2B onsite support, or the phone support guy at the company that makes your cash register software. Etc. But that just means that 99% of the people you deal with are low level drones making $12/hr.

Instead of $12 they should get $10.

My hate for IT comes from this: my entire company does programming, yet IT people treat us like idiots when we know how to code better than they do.

 

[Lash444]

This has to be a troll thread. Thinking that IT is overpaid because people only use the helpdesk is like thinking rocket scientists are overpaid because their son lights off fireworks on the 4th of July.

 

[lxskllr]

Instead of $12 they should get $10.

My hate for IT comes from this: my entire company does programming, yet IT people treat us like idiots when we know how to code better than they do.

Fix your own computer/network issue/whatever then. Oh, and make sure you aren't dicking someone else over with your "fix".

 

[nickbits]

i'm overpaid imho

/dev

 

[tokie]

Fix your own computer/network issue/whatever then. Oh, and make sure you aren't dicking someone else over with your "fix".

Except that my billable time is better spent doing billable things rather than fixing computer issues.

That is the entire point of tech support.

 

[lxskllr]

Except that my billable time is better spent doing billable things rather than fixing computer issues.

That is the entire point of tech support.

So, what's it worth to keep your computer running? Your value is $0 if you don't have a working computer.