Do people in I.T. make too much money

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PenguinPower

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Everyone in HR should be making $0.

Then, you would probably die if you saw my paycheck. Of course, I just saved the company the equivalent of $40mil in new revenue, so I'd say I earned it this year.

#lovehr #rockinbusinesspartner #farfrom$0pay
 

Tweak155

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Then, you would probably die if you saw my paycheck. Of course, I just saved the company the equivalent of $40mil in new revenue, so I'd say I earned it this year.

#lovehr #rockinbusinesspartner #farfrom$0pay

I doubt you received anything proportionate to what you deserved.
 

PenguinPower

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I doubt you received anything proportionate to what you deserved.

I received my standard paycheck, and I will get a small % bump in my annual bonus. That's what I deserve. Finding ways to maximize company profit is part of my job, and I'm paid an appropriate wage to do that. Why would I deserve anything else?
 

Staples

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Oct 28, 2001
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I think your poll sucks. We have auto mechanics in there.Seriously, most these guys get paid 9-12$ an hour.

Depends what branch of IT. Computer technician is a pretty simple job that idiots can do, I think a lot of them get paid too much.

Some programmers are fairly compensated even if they get 100k a year because these guys are working 60+ weeks and at home studying new languages and stuff like that. There is a reason that most software engineers are kids in their 20s with no obligations. Not many people can maintain that kind of time dedicated to their job if they want to have a life. Many move on by 10 years and go into something less demanding.
 

TheSlamma

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Given most of the time it's not a problem with the computer but with the user it's basically a psychiatry job.
 

PliotronX

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Out of those I would say dentists by a mile. Lawyers struggle to establish themselves and must account for every second they consume and have mucho student loans to pay off. Moderators can't even afford to eat at McDonald's the poor guys.
 

zanejohnson

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i would be underpaid if i worked for anyone...

but i'm an it wizard... there's basically nothing i can't do on the infrastructure level...
 

Tweak155

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I received my standard paycheck, and I will get a small % bump in my annual bonus. That's what I deserve. Finding ways to maximize company profit is part of my job, and I'm paid an appropriate wage to do that. Why would I deserve anything else?

Because if you saved the company $40mil (ESPECIALLY annually...) they can toss you a nice chunk of that to keep you motivated. It's a one time gift of like $500k-$1mil... imagine how much harder you'd work!
 

Anubis

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Because if you saved the company $40mil (ESPECIALLY annually...) they can toss you a nice chunk of that to keep you motivated. It's a one time gift of like $500k-$1mil... imagine how much harder you'd work!

you can apply that logic to any job, Ive worked on projects that have landed us contracts in the 100s of millions and been a major contributer on projects that have saved the company 10s of millions anally.

you want to know what the project team got out of it? a polo shirt & a pat on the back saying good job. thats it
 

PenguinPower

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you can apply that logic to any job, Ive worked on projects that have landed us contracts in the 100s of millions and been a major contributer on projects that have saved the company 10s of millions anally.

you want to know what the project team got out of it? a polo shirt & a pat on the back saying good job. thats it

And your paycheck. Don't forget that.
 

Fox5

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I think your poll sucks. We have auto mechanics in there.Seriously, most these guys get paid 9-12$ an hour.

Depends what branch of IT. Computer technician is a pretty simple job that idiots can do, I think a lot of them get paid too much.

Some programmers are fairly compensated even if they get 100k a year because these guys are working 60+ weeks and at home studying new languages and stuff like that. There is a reason that most software engineers are kids in their 20s with no obligations. Not many people can maintain that kind of time dedicated to their job if they want to have a life. Many move on by 10 years and go into something less demanding.

I'm a programmer. When I've worked in large organizations, it was essentially the easiest job in the world. Not literally (we did have tough technical challenges), but the management hierarchy rarely had any understanding of what you did or what it took to implement it, so you were magic to them.

It didn't help that there were few software engineering practices employed/enforced (remember, magic with little understanding of what the employees do), so most projects stumbled because of management issues and planning (or lack thereof) and not for technical or resource reasons. (although resources were frequently allocated incorrectly)

Essentially, there was barely any accountable and management was almost always impressed by even a small amount of progress. This is what it's like working at the ATTs and Verizons of the world, the big lumbering corporations that exist just to serve as a utility company with a locked in client base.



Now I work at a small software development/consulting firm (<20 people). Understanding of what the employees do is very high. Compensation is much higher. Expectations are much higher too, there's almost 0 downtime (even for water cooler talk), and in my first week I was asked how I felt about overtime. They asked because they over contacted me and now I was obligated to work what are essentially two full time positions. (temporarily, since one project is wrapping up in a month)

They love consulting work, because they're just paid for hours and expertise, so it's "easy money". Remember, it's those large ATT type companies that pay for this.

They're getting more into product development/contract work, because it's far more profitable, but it also means you have terms of success determined up front, so it's riskier too.
 

sze5003

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I'm a programmer. When I've worked in large organizations, it was essentially the easiest job in the world. Not literally (we did have tough technical challenges), but the management hierarchy rarely had any understanding of what you did or what it took to implement it, so you were magic to them.

It didn't help that there were few software engineering practices employed/enforced (remember, magic with little understanding of what the employees do), so most projects stumbled because of management issues and planning (or lack thereof) and not for technical or resource reasons. (although resources were frequently allocated incorrectly)

Essentially, there was barely any accountable and management was almost always impressed by even a small amount of progress. This is what it's like working at the ATTs and Verizons of the world, the big lumbering corporations that exist just to serve as a utility company with a locked in client base.



Now I work at a small software development/consulting firm (<20 people). Understanding of what the employees do is very high. Compensation is much higher. Expectations are much higher too, there's almost 0 downtime (even for water cooler talk), and in my first week I was asked how I felt about overtime. They asked because they over contacted me and now I was obligated to work what are essentially two full time positions. (temporarily, since one project is wrapping up in a month)

They love consulting work, because they're just paid for hours and expertise, so it's "easy money". Remember, it's those large ATT type companies that pay for this.

They're getting more into product development/contract work, because it's far more profitable, but it also means you have terms of success determined up front, so it's riskier too.

I've had the magic effect at smaller companies. Now at a giant company, everyone knows what it takes because there are more technical people to call the shots whereas the managers just need a little understanding.
 

Alienwho

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The term "IT" has so many different positions lumped into it that it's no different than asking if people in the "Medical" field are paid to much. Medical can mean anything from the secretary making $10/hr to the neurosurgeon making millions. The medical field is more mainstream so people don't say I work medical, they say I'm a doctor, I'm a nurse, I'm a practitioner etc. The general population understands these terms.

IT people can't say that unless they're specifically talking with other IT people. I'm a systems engineer, I'm a data warehouses manager, I'm a DBA, I'm a systems administrator, etc are terms that 99% of the population does not understand, so it's all just "IT". IT gets a bad rep because the only IT people they actually interface with is the low level help desk people which has become the face of IT. These are the guys who get paid the least and deal with the most crap. Again, i t's like thinking all doctors are overpaid assholes because of his bitchy secretary that deals with crap all day long from patients who don't have insurance.

Also, you can't assume somebody gets paid well based on the car they drive. Way to many factors involved and chances are they're reaching way beyond their means.
 

hans007

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We get what people will pay us, have no umions or pensions to protect us like say overpaid civil servants and we have to probably be smarter than 98% of people. Plus its a very mentally taxing job at least in my case. Firemen make more or school admins and they aren't trying to optimize algorithms and thread concurrency all day. Most peoples minds can't handle it

I'm a programmer. If anything the best people are underpaid but its getting pretty decent as of late. Given the world runs on tech these days why not. I know a guy who moved to new York and is getting like $180k a year. In LA these days you can get say 140 if you are experienced at say Java . I think its totally fair what tech people make. There are far more us less professions mostly tied to the govt that pay much more ridiculous wages and benefits.
 

purbeast0

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Now I work at a small software development/consulting firm (<20 people). Understanding of what the employees do is very high. Compensation is much higher. Expectations are much higher too, there's almost 0 downtime (even for water cooler talk), and in my first week I was asked how I felt about overtime. They asked because they over contacted me and now I was obligated to work what are essentially two full time positions. (temporarily, since one project is wrapping up in a month)

They love consulting work, because they're just paid for hours and expertise, so it's "easy money". Remember, it's those large ATT type companies that pay for this.

They're getting more into product development/contract work, because it's far more profitable, but it also means you have terms of success determined up front, so it's riskier too.

as a developer myself, asking how many hours the standard work week consists of is the #1 question i ask when interviewing. anything over 40 and i automatically pass at the opportunity. #2 question is often people are asked to work over 40 hours a week. if it's something that happens somewhat frequently (and to me, that means once every 2-3 months) that is another automatic pass by me.
 

Tweak155

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you can apply that logic to any job, Ive worked on projects that have landed us contracts in the 100s of millions and been a major contributer on projects that have saved the company 10s of millions anally.

you want to know what the project team got out of it? a polo shirt & a pat on the back saying good job. thats it

That doesn't mean it is what you *deserved*. Although if you were giving them $10s of millions anally, I can see how they'd be a bit peeved

as a developer myself, asking how many hours the standard work week consists of is the #1 question i ask when interviewing. anything over 40 and i automatically pass at the opportunity. #2 question is often people are asked to work over 40 hours a week. if it's something that happens somewhat frequently (and to me, that means once every 2-3 months) that is another automatic pass by me.

Yeah I ask how many hrs/wk and when I would be expected to start at work and leave (I.E core hours).

I don't mind working OT on ocassion but I won't do it all the time. And if there is an expected amount of OT /yr I am either paid hourly or that compensation is built into the package.
 

purbeast0

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That doesn't mean it is what you *deserved*. Although if you were giving them $10s of millions anally, I can see how they'd be a bit peeved



Yeah I ask how many hrs/wk and when I would be expected to start at work and leave (I.E core hours).

I don't mind working OT on ocassion but I won't do it all the time. And if there is an expected amount of OT /yr I am either paid hourly or that compensation is built into the package.

yeah same, i do ask if you get compensated for it IF there is ever a need for OT.

actually yesterday was the first time i've been at this company in over a year that i had to work outside of normal work hours. did 2 hours of work at home last night. going to be leaving around 2pm on friday because of it though.
 

Tweak155

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yeah same, i do ask if you get compensated for it IF there is ever a need for OT.

actually yesterday was the first time i've been at this company in over a year that i had to work outside of normal work hours. did 2 hours of work at home last night. going to be leaving around 2pm on friday because of it though.

The only other form of acceptable compensation.
 

sze5003

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Damn we as full time get no OT but if something needs to be done it doesn't matter you have to stay or your team does. I wish we could leave early if you work from home an hour or two early. We have work from home here and seems people are more liberal with it on this team, like this one person works from home every Friday. On my last team it wasn't allowed every week.
 
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