Do people in I.T. make too much money

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purbeast0

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Depends on what they do. Help desk and desktop support? Sure, they make less. The engineers typically make as much as the more senior developers.

like i said, in my area, engineers and developers aren't considered "it people"
 

imagoon

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like i said, in my area, engineers and developers aren't considered "it people"

It varies from company to company and region to region. The network admins (I mean the ones that actually can design and implement not the guys who just string 3 switches and a NAT router together) can be engineers that are IT. These are not the guys developing the next Ethernet standard or anything, just the guys with the know how to make that list of 76 features on the switch stack and routing core actually.... you know... do what you want.

I have seen Network Engineer = Network [senior] admin etc. They however are solidly in IT and not IS / MIS like software engineers.
 

alkemyst

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lol, OP are you an anesthesiologist right?

You make too much money in reality.

I don't disagree as you served your time.

Don't fuck with me doing mine at probably half or less what you make.
 

purbeast0

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Network engineers and systems engineers aren't considered IT?

oh thought you meant software engineer since you said "engineer" and "developer". thought you were just making a distinction between those 2. yeah network and system engineers can make money for sure.
 

brainhulk

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Why can't a computer do that more accurately, faster, and cheaper? Sorry, but I agree that pharmacists are incredibly overpaid and mostly unnecessary.

Haha. /facepalm

Can a computer flag the interaction of renal dysfunction and ace inhibitors? Possibly it can see the creatinine is high and then Computer will say - Oh fuck that not dispensing it. Too bad its prescribed all the fucking time and then nobody will get their medication. Can it tell what kind of renal failure it is? If it's end stage, i don't care. If it's mild, I don't care, might actually help. Acute renal failure and possible bilateral renal artery stenosis on the KUB? Yeah I care. Do you think a computer will read the radiologist report on the xray to evaluate the use of prescribed ace inhibitor and check to make sure if both the renal arteries have stenosis? Do you think a computer can tell the difference between esrd, acute, and mild renal failure? Then present this info to the MD?

Hahahhahhahahaha. Just sayin

We operate in the shadows and a large amount of what we do you don't see because you are snowed by all the Dilaudid in the hospital. That doesn't mean we are not helping.
 
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JulesMaximus

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We have a dorky IT guy at work who knows less about computers than I do, has a squeaky voice, has no social skills, looks like your typical IT dork but somehow he is married, has a child and drives a Lexus SUV... so yeah, I vote that they make too much.
 

vi edit

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We have a dorky IT guy at work who knows less about computers than I do, has a squeaky voice, has no social skills, looks like your typical IT dork but somehow he is married, has a child and drives a Lexus SUV... so yeah, I vote that they make too much.

Maybe his wife is a Pharmacist. :hmm:
 

sze5003

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I don't think they make too much. I went to school for an IT major but I'm a developer. I don't do support calls or sys admin or help desk.

But I do find it funny a kid in my class who was not a decent coder is probably making more than developers since he just got a brand new Audi. He's a sys admin for some small company. The other half of my IT friends just do troubleshooting and imaging pc crap. I can't stand that.

I feel like the kind of stuff I'm developing should be on a higher pay scale. But why pay some senior level person more to do it when you can have someone newer learn and do the same although it may be tough, for less money.
 

Wyndru

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I don't make a lot of money for what I do in IT, so I would say no. When I'm beating my head against the wall because I'm working on a vmware issue and there are a million different compatibility issues with a new blade we bought I wish I was doing something that paid well.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Haha. /facepalm

Can a computer flag the interaction of renal dysfunction and ace inhibitors? Possibly it can see the creatinine is high and then Computer will say - Oh fuck that not dispensing it. Too bad its prescribed all the fucking time and then nobody will get their medication. Can it tell what kind of renal failure it is? If it's end stage, i don't care. If it's mild, I don't care, might actually help. Acute renal failure and possible bilateral renal artery stenosis on the KUB? Yeah I care. Do you think a computer will read the radiologist report on the xray to evaluate the use of prescribed ace inhibitor and check to make sure if both the renal arteries have stenosis? Do you think a computer can tell the difference between esrd, acute, and mild renal failure? Then present this info to the MD?

Hahahhahhahahaha. Just sayin

We operate in the shadows and a large amount of what we do you don't see because you are snowed by all the Dilaudid in the hospital. That doesn't mean we are not helping.

Really? So my pharmacist at CVS or Walgreens does all that?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Retail =! clinical and retail pharmacists are overpaid. Also, what makes you think a computer system couldn't do all that?
 

Tweak155

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Depends on the developer. Some can only google and copy paste code, others have a real interest and a knack for it who were born senior developers.

I think the problem is even the bad people make as much or sometimes more than the good ones in a lot of scenarios. If you have a bad developer that makes $50k/yr, is the guy that programs 3x as fast worth $80k? Probably.

Also your cap greatly depends on the company you work at. A company like google that is basically "IT" based will stuff your wallet whereas a company only uses IT for support sees you as a cost and nothing else.
 

sze5003

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Hehe I can't copy paste code. It doesn't work since every piece of code at my company is proprietary and developed in house. You have to spend hours figuring out how something works, why it's done that way, because the documentation does not help, whatever is left of it.

They have a knack for over complicating everything. But it's an adventure learning how something works and then working with it, adding to it. At companies like mine you don't really learn anything for use somewhere else because you are writing custom code. Each new project is like working at a different company. But it makes you learn specifics, details, and the general infrastructure of development which is really important.
 

ViRGE

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I'm a bit shocked Forum Mods is coming in second place. Just so we're clear here, we don't get paid. Nada, zilch, zero. The only way to pay us less would be to charge us.
 

Tweak155

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I'm a bit shocked Forum Mods is coming in second place. Just so we're clear here, we don't get paid. Nada, zilch, zero. The only way to pay us less would be to charge us.

So you're telling me there's a chance. I hear ya, I hear ya.
 
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Hehe I can't copy paste code. It doesn't work since every piece of code at my company is proprietary and developed in house. You have to spend hours figuring out how something works, why it's done that way, because the documentation does not help, whatever is left of it.

They have a knack for over complicating everything. But it's an adventure learning how something works and then working with it, adding to it. At companies like mine you don't really learn anything for use somewhere else because you are writing custom code. Each new project is like working at a different company. But it makes you learn specifics, details, and the general infrastructure of development which is really important.

I like to code things as complicated as possible, with little to no documentation.
Ensures job security.
 

jagec

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also it is the reality of things
I know PLENTY of overpaid people, and PLENTY of underpaid people. Companies are typically piss-poor at evaluating employee performance and importance to the bottom line.

Do you really think that your average corporation would run WORSE if they eliminated a few middle manager positions?

Not to mention schneiderguy's HR example...

Only a fool believes in a rational and efficient job market.
 
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I'm a bit shocked Forum Mods is coming in second place. Just so we're clear here, we don't get paid. Nada, zilch, zero. The only way to pay us less would be to charge us.

I thought it was a pretty obvious joke response.

I'm just kinda surprised at the arguing about IT and Pharm, but nobody's trying to defend lawyers - people who go to college for three years to learn how to do paperwork that most people will spend thousands of dollars to not have to do.
 

sze5003

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I thought it was a pretty obvious joke response.

I'm just kinda surprised at the arguing about IT and Pharm, but nobody's trying to defend lawyers - people who go to college for three years to learn how to do paperwork that most people will spend thousands of dollars to not have to do.

It's more than 3 years. You have undergrad, some will concentrate on some type of major then law school. It's all paperwork and extra jargon that you have to be familiar with, and study old cases..pretty boring stuff.
 
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