Do you accept evolution as fact? Yes/No?

mattsaccount

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AT readers are pretty liberal imho, so most of you can likely answer yes to all these. But for those who aren't up with the times, please take it so we can see why you think that way Let me know if this quiz is missing anything or if anything should be rephrased. It's a bit of a first draft.

All questions are in the form "Do you accept that..." Hence, the answer should either be "yes," or "no." In all cases, if a "no" is given, explain your reason why. Finally, if at any time you answer, "no," do not answer the remaining questions, as each additional question assumes you answered "yes" to the prior questions. The instructions are simple. Please follow them.

The basic points of this quiz are to show that evolution is the most likely explanation, and to determine where exactly our disagreements arise.

1. Do you accept that there exist complex molecules in the cells of living organisms which are known as "DNA?"

2. Do you accept that, within these DNA, there are individual "genes?"

3. Do you accept that there are naturally occuring factors, like radiation and toxins, that can alter the genes within a given cell?

4. Do you accept that cells reproduce themselves within the organism?

5. Do you accept that the genes of a cell that is reproducing will be duplicated to the new cell, even if changed by an external influence?

6. Do you accept that an offspring's genes are determined by the genes in the reproductive cells of both parents that were used to concieve the progeny?

7. Do you accept that any changes that were made to the genes of one of the above reproductive cells will be passed on to the progeny?

8. Do you accept that such changes can result in differences in how the organism appears, its capabilities, or to its level of intelligence?

9. Do you accept that, if a change is entirely beneficial, the organism has a higher chance of surviving than the rest of its species?

10. Do you accept that an organism that has a higher chance of surviving has a higher chance of reaching the age of sexual maturity?

11. Do you accept that, if an organism has a higher chance of reaching sexual maturity, it has a higher chance of reproducing? (remember, we are assuming that said genetic difference is entirely beneficial)

12. Do you accept that, as in the case with the organism's parents, it will pass on its genetic variation to its offspring?

13. Do you accept that, if the organism produces progeny which have the same genetic difference, which has already been established as beneficial, that it is likely that this variation will eventually encompass greater and greater numbers of the species, until the entire population has changed (though not necessarily the entire species, as there may be geographical barriers separating the variation from mating with other populations of the same species)?

14. Do you accept that, eventually, a population of organisms may become so radically different from the original that they lose the ability to reproduce with other populations of the original species (if any exist)?

15. Do you accept that, given that scientific classification of organisms is based on genetic differences, the above population of organisms is a new species?

If you've gotten this far, congratulations! This is exactly what evolution is all about. You've just proven why evolution is certainly true!
 

Tommunist

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1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
5. yes
6. yes
7. yes
8. yes
9. yes
10. yes
11. yes
12. yes
13. yes
14. yes
15. yes

yay - I win!!!
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
5. yes
6. yes
7. yes
8. yes
9. yes
10. yes
11. yes
12. yes
13. yes
14. yes
15. yes

yay - I win!!!

Hey me too s all around
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
I accept the neo-Darwinian synthesis as the most parsimonious explanatory mechanism of evolution.

Whoah, your vocabulary is as crazy as your name......goes and looks up "parsimonious"
 

Harvey

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mattsaccount -- Stop trying to preach common sense about observed phenomena to the religious nut cases. Their minds are made up. Facts will only confuse them. :beer:
 

ntdz

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Yes to all. I voted for Bush too (and I'm not religious). I must throw your view of Republicans off huh.
 

piasabird

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Just because a species can have variations like different hair color or height and weight, it does not indicate that evolution is possible for a human being. The Chinese have had the same characterisics for over 4 thousand years.
 

digitalsm

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I fully believe in the evolution, but not the theory of evolution that tries to explain how life started. There is far far less support, which is why their are competing theories to how life began.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
I fully believe in the evolution, but not the theory of evolution that tries to explain how life started. There is far far less support, which is why their are competing theories to how life began.

What is this "theory of evolution that tries to explain how life started?"
 

lozina

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Sep 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: piasabird
Just because a species can have variations like different hair color or height and weight, it does not indicate that evolution is possible for a human being. The Chinese have had the same characterisics for over 4 thousand years.

Wow that's pretty demeaning to Asians- saying they are a different species! :Q

Have Europeans lost the ability to reproduce with Asians ?

By the way 4,000 years relative to the age of our planet is a drop in the bucket
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: digitalsm
I fully believe in the evolution, but not the theory of evolution that tries to explain how life started. There is far far less support, which is why their are competing theories to how life began.
What is this "theory of evolution that tries to explain how life started?"
That's the problem with the Creationists. They distort evolution to mean the creation of life itself and even the creation of the universe.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: digitalsm
I fully believe in the evolution, but not the theory of evolution that tries to explain how life started. There is far far less support, which is why their are competing theories to how life began.
What is this "theory of evolution that tries to explain how life started?"
That's the problem with the Creationists. They distort evolution to mean the creation of life itself and even the creation of the universe.

True indeed - from my understanding evolution only picks up once you have some life with DNA coded genetic material to begin with. How that life got started is another issue.
 

Whaspe

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Originally posted by: mattsaccount
AT readers are pretty liberal imho, so most of you can likely answer yes to all these. But for those who aren't up with the times, please take it so we can see why you think that way Let me know if this quiz is missing anything or if anything should be rephrased. It's a bit of a first draft.

All questions are in the form "Do you accept that..." Hence, the answer should either be "yes," or "no." In all cases, if a "no" is given, explain your reason why. Finally, if at any time you answer, "no," do not answer the remaining questions, as each additional question assumes you answered "yes" to the prior questions. The instructions are simple. Please follow them.

The basic points of this quiz are to show that evolution is the most likely explanation, and to determine where exactly our disagreements arise.

1. Do you accept that there exist complex molecules in the cells of living organisms which are known as "DNA?"
Yes
2. Do you accept that, within these DNA, there are individual "genes?"
Yes, there's also quite alot of "junk DNA" too.
3. Do you accept that there are naturally occuring factors, like radiation and toxins, that can alter the genes within a given cell?
Yes, not to mention the spontaneous mutations which arise. There are mutations in every human occuring daily. (Most are repaired by the cell.)
4. Do you accept that cells reproduce themselves within the organism?
Yes, if reproduce means mitosis. Only germ-line cells go through meiosis.
5. Do you accept that the genes of a cell that is reproducing will be duplicated to the new cell, even if changed by an external influence?
Yes, however there are checks in place at gap points in the cell cycle which if not properly cleared lead to apoptosis (cell death). By the way, mutations in this process typically lead to cancer.
6. Do you accept that an offspring's genes are determined by the genes in the reproductive cells of both parents that were used to concieve the progeny?
Yes
7. Do you accept that any changes that were made to the genes of one of the above reproductive cells will be passed on to the progeny?
Yes,
8. Do you accept that such changes can result in differences in how the organism appears, its capabilities, or to its level of intelligence?
Yes, although this is not an easy feat. Diploid organisms have two copies of a gene. There is overlap in the translation of DNA to amino acid... along with a host of other things it is complicated (but not improbable for such a change to occur).
9. Do you accept that, if a change is entirely beneficial, the organism has a higher chance of surviving than the rest of its species?
No, In complex organisms there are multiple factors. Let's say the mutation increases the Vmax of an enzyme, thus increasing the break down of a phagocytosed molecule in it's lysosome. This in and of itself does not guarantee better overall success. In complex organisms no one mutation will ultimately enhance its ability to survive. There is no direct correlation ie. only one gene for strength, rather there are multiple genes involved. You need several mutations at the very least in order for change to occur.
10. Do you accept that an organism that has a higher chance of surviving has a higher chance of reaching the age of sexual maturity?
Yes
11. Do you accept that, if an organism has a higher chance of reaching sexual maturity, it has a higher chance of reproducing? (remember, we are assuming that said genetic difference is entirely beneficial)
No, depends on the mating rituals of the species. (also the entirely beneficial part is loaded, it doesn't need to be in your question for your point to be made)
12. Do you accept that, as in the case with the organism's parents, it will pass on its genetic variation to its offspring?
Yes
13. Do you accept that, if the organism produces progeny which have the same genetic difference, which has already been established as beneficial, that it is likely that this variation will eventually encompass greater and greater numbers of the species, until the entire population has changed (though not necessarily the entire species, as there may be geographical barriers separating the variation from mating with other populations of the same species)?
No, not to say that this isn't possible, however it is not likely that this will always occur.
14. Do you accept that, eventually, a population of organisms may become so radically different from the original that they lose the ability to reproduce with other populations of the original species (if any exist)?
No, eventually is not the case, however it is probable that it can occur.
15. Do you accept that, given that scientific classification of organisms is based on genetic differences, the above population of organisms is a new species?
No, while your statement is true about scientific classification genetic variations alone do not constitute the naming of a new species.
If you've gotten this far, congratulations! This is exactly what evolution is all about. You've just proven why evolution is certainly true!

The evidense for microevolution is quite extensive and scientifically based, there are very few who would argue this.

 

dgevert

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Dec 6, 2004
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Of course I do.

And kudos for properly phrasing the question, OP author...it's a pet peeve of mine to hear "I believe in evolution." When someone says that, I immediately ask them if they believe in gravity as well. It's not a belief, it's science.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: ntdz
Yes to all.

Good for you.

What do you think about religious nuts?

I don't think all religious people are nuts, I think Christianity is generally good for our country. A small percentage are nuts, sure, but 95% of religious people are just normal people IMO. I don't have a problem with someone being religious at all.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: ntdz
Yes to all.
Good for you.

What do you think about religious nuts?
I don't think all religious people are nuts, I think Christianity is generally good for our country. A small percentage are nuts, sure, but 95% of religious people are just normal people IMO. I don't have a problem with someone being religious at all.
Probably the most logical thing I've ever seen you post.
 
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