Do You Believe In God

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John Connor

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I believe there is one higher power. Seems like a lot of people on the Internet are atheists. Or Liberal... I see that all the time. Don't know why. Yet the USA is full of Christians. What brings atheists to a computer forum? Do they believe in the CPU God?
 
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GagHalfrunt

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���� "No" has a large lead against "Yes."

And if you asked "Do you believe in gravity?" yes would have a commanding lead on no, but that won't keep you from shaking your head in amazement at the people who said no. It doesn't matter if the non-believer to believer ratio is 2:1, 5:1 or 10:1, any amount of people living their lives based on delusions is too many.
 

Vaux

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I have a question.... why does the god that a person believes in have to be the creator of the universe?

The bible is almost entirely made up of bullshit and/or stories that have already been proven wrong or would have taken a miracle to happen which nothing of the sort has ever happened since and you would have to be a nut to believe it happened in the first place. And then people point to the fact that (as of now) we don't know how the universe came to be as evidence of their god.

Isn't it possible that the universe DID have a creator, but is absolutely nothing like the creator that was invented by man? Looking at the grand scope of the universe which is billions of light years across, you think all of this is here for us? That some creator of the universe gives a shit if you pray to him for a new bike and he is here to serve you?

People should stop using the existence of the universe as justification to believe in their god. One has nothing to do with the other, IMO.
 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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I have a question.... why does the god that a person believes in have to be the creator of the universe?

The bible is almost entirely made up of bullshit and/or stories that have already been proven wrong or would have taken a miracle to happen which nothing of the sort has ever happened since and you would have to be a nut to believe it happened in the first place. And then people point to the fact that (as of now) we don't know how the universe came to be as evidence of their god.

Isn't it possible that the universe DID have a creator, but is absolutely nothing like the creator that was invented by man? Looking at the grand scope of the universe which is billions of light years across, you think all of this is here for us? That some creator of the universe gives a shit if you pray to him for a new bike and he is here to serve you?

People should stop using the existence of the universe as justification to believe in their god. One has nothing to do with the other, IMO.
The creation of an all-knowing, all-wise, omnipotent, perfectly just creator-god is the inevitable outcome of every theological dick-size war.
 

natto fire

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Jan 4, 2000
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I believe there is one higher power. Seems like a lot of people on the Internet are atheists. Or Liberal... I see that all the time. Don't know why. Yet the USA is full of Christians. What brings atheists to a computer forum? Do they believe in the CPU God?

Technology is based on logic. Working around logic tends to make people think logically. Logical thinking and religion are not mutually exclusive, but someone who excels at logic tends to shy away from illogical things, such as religion.
A better question is what brings religious folks to a technical forum, when they don't need an understanding of how things work? Can't you just call it magic how a computer works, and have faith that god will make sure you have all the tech answers you need?
 

John Connor

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Nov 30, 2012
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This is a forum hosted by a computer hardware site. People that get into computers tend to be smart, educated, and rational. People that are smart, educated, and rational tend toward atheism and/or agnosticism. It's completely unsurprising that people here are generally not religious.


I not very smart man than. Me EQ is -3. Me only believe inn a 1 god.

"But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven."

Matthew 10:33


I'm actually very good in science, but I know of the archaeological truths to the Bible. Am I saying everything in the Bible is true? No, not by a long shot. It's like playing a game of telephone.

What I do know is nothing exists from nothing and it is created by something. Whether that be a fart on enchilada night or God's creation.
 

Ruptga

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That's a cool story. You asked why the irreligious are disproportionately represented here, and I gave you the answer. This is why, generally speaking, "we" don't like talking to "you people", by the way. You people can't even discuss religiosity without trying to convert us. The unmoved mover has nothing to do with religiosity among geeks.
 

John Connor

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I don't want to convert anyone! That is the problem. Like Jehovah's Witnesses they are always trying to convert you. I'm of the philospy that if you want to be saved it comes within and not by indoctrination. It's your choice to believe. I personally can give two fucks whether one believes or not. That's your choice. Freewill, it's a bitch.

I'm spiritual not religious.
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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I not very smart man than. Me EQ is -3. Me only believe inn a 1 god.

"But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven."

Matthew 10:33


I'm actually very good in science, but I know of the archaeological truths to the Bible. Am I saying everything in the Bible is true? No, not by a long shot. It's like playing a game of telephone.

What I do know is nothing exists from nothing and it is created by something. Whether that be a fart on enchilada night or God's creation.

"Nothing" is merely a concept, for it can't exist.
 

disappoint

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lol. What's up with your avatar? You got something against JESUS?! You must be angry at G-d. Why are you so resentful toward G-d? Don't tell me you aren't angry at G-d because you don't believe in G-d. EVERYONE believes in G-d.

G-d
G-d
G-d
G-d
G-d

What if God gets angry at internet posters misspelling the word humans have for him with a hyphen? Then you might die a horrible death at the hands of rabble rousing internet forum inhabiting troll anklebiters who will hold a grudge for they are made in HIS exalted grudgeholdingness so far as to make sure the name on your gravestone is also misspelled with hyphens from the first letter to the last causing no one to ever know who's gravesite that is preventing your gravesite from ever being visited thereby meaning your gravesite will be forever alone until eternity because if anything is clear to an alien race observing us it's that throughout history humans have put more emphasis on how a person is treated after death than before death which is why artists artwork is worth more after the artist's death, people spend so much on funerals and fancy gilded caskets and also the great pyramids?

Holy
run on
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batman.
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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This is a forum hosted by a computer hardware site. People that get into computers tend to be smart, educated, and rational. People that are smart, educated, and rational tend toward atheism and/or agnosticism. It's completely unsurprising that people here are generally not religious.

Uh, from that link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...iaviewer/File:LynnHarveyNyborg-Atheism-IQ.svg

Looks like the largest concentration of countries with average IQs over 100 is 30% Atheist or less.

In any case, correlation != causation, all that article states is that the subject is highly controversial and unproven. For instance it's quite possible that a higher IQ motivates one to more extensively challenge the ideas posed by religion thus resulting in a larger percentage of Atheists, and that if people of lower IQs had equivalent motivations they might very well exhibit the same tendency.

In any case I've seen this argument stated as fact by atheists everywhere, and frankly all it shows is how the advantage of their supposed greater average IQ pales in comparison to the human need to justify one's beliefs.

Full disclosure: I'm philosophically Taoist and am about as nonreligious as you can get, and I find it remarkable how quickly Atheists adopt controversial arguments as facts when it make them feel justified. I suppose it's a notch better than adopting mythical fairy tales as fact and justification, but the two behaviors are remarkably similar.

Atheism at large is fast becoming the religion of the anti-religious who have been mistreated in some way by religious people. At the end of the day I don't get why the debate on either side is worth so much effort, must be compensating for something somewhere.
 
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irishScott

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"Nothing" is merely a concept, for it can't exist.

Given that we still don't know what existed before the Big Bang, it very well could exist. Infinity is also a concept that for all we can prove doesn't exist, and it plays a major role in mathematics. So does the concept of nothing BTW (zero).
 
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John Connor

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The ecliptic orbit (Johannes Kepler) the rotation of electrons (Niels Bohr) the rotation of these masses and there shape. All are too perfect to be the effect of some random infinite mass expanding.

“All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.”

"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal." Love this one!

Guess who coined these quotes?

God, the creator, Deity, whoever is so far complex that our meager pea size brains compared to the massive universe can not possibly comprehend its presence.

I personally think the creator is very huge and not of a body or form. Many people who have apparently seen heaven have described God as a very bright but not blinding light.
 
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irishScott

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How does that differ from the jewish god?

Jewish God = Old Testament God.
Christian God = Reformed, New Testament God
Islamic God = Further Reformed, Last Book of Revelations God

It's the same entity, people just disagree on which prophets/saviors were false.
 

Ruptga

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Uh, from that link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...iaviewer/File:LynnHarveyNyborg-Atheism-IQ.svg

Looks like the largest concentration of countries with average IQs over 100 is 30% Atheist or less.

In any case, correlation != causation, all that article states is that the subject is highly controversial and unproven. For instance it's quite possible that a higher IQ motivates one to more extensively challenge the ideas posed by religion thus resulting in a larger percentage of Atheists, and that if people of lower IQs had equivalent motivations they might very well exhibit the same tendency.

In any case I've seen this argument stated as fact by atheists everywhere, and frankly all it shows is how the advantage of their supposed greater average IQ pales in comparison to the human need to justify one's beliefs.

Full disclosure: I'm philosophically Taoist and am about as nonreligious as you can get, and I find it remarkable how quickly Atheists adopt controversial arguments as facts when it make them feel justified. I suppose it's a notch better than adopting mythical fairy tales as fact and justification, but the two behaviors are remarkably similar.

Atheism at large is fast becoming the religion of the anti-religious who have been mistreated in some way by religious people. At the end of the day I don't get why the debate on either side is worth so much effort, must be compensating for something somewhere.

You're projecting a bit, I never said anything about causation one way or the other. Atheism is rare in any large population, but it is still disproportionately represented in more educated and more intelligent circles. Feel free to argue about why, but that much is fact.
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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The ecliptic orbit (Johannes Kepler) the rotation of electrons (Niels Bohr) the rotation of these masses and there shape. All are too perfect to be the effect of some random infinite mass expanding.

“All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.”

"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal." Love this one!

Guess who coined these quotes?

God, the creator, Deity, whoever is so far complex that are meager pea size brains compared to the massive universe can not possibly comprehend its presence.

I personally think the creator is very huge and not of a body or form. Many people who have apparently seen heaven have described God as a very bright but not blinding light.

Why an intelligent being? Remember how low we humans are compared to the power and wonders of the Universe. An ant crawling along the surface of an eroded river stone may find it impossibly smooth. Given an ounce of sentience that ant might believe that another, more powerful variety of ant chewed the stone smooth with impossibly powerful mandibles for undefined purposes. However it was simply the effect of prolonged exposure to flowing water, an effect beyond the ant's ability to comprehend.

So goes my belief. I can't be certain, but my intuition and experience tells me the universe is indifferent, there are simply natural laws we haven't fully grasped yet. The fun part is considering that such laws could be so complex and so reactive that they appear intelligent, much like human biochemistry. Or it could turn out to be a fantastically, elegantly simple singular concept that we could state in 5 words, yet unfolds and recurses into the seemingly endless complexity we know as the Universe.

Honestly, to me, believing that an authoritarian being is at the head of everything makes a sunny day overcast. It makes us peasants on a feudal farm, servants to an authority that can and has (according to the most popular religions) comforted and murdered us at any given instant. But to imagine that the Universe is comprehensible, even if only at a level of evolution that humanity won't reach for millions of years; that we might be able to one day completely understand our place in everything, be powerless to change it, and not care despite our knowledge. That to me is this bright but not blinding light you speak of.
 
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