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Shawn

Lifer
Apr 20, 2003
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Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
I do not believe that my consciousness is dependent upon the vitality of my physical body.

So how do you explain brain injuries, which can cause people to lose memory or change aspects of their personality, or worse?
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
I do not believe that my consciousness is dependent upon the vitality of my physical body.

So how do you explain brain injuries, which can cause people to lose memory or change aspects of their personality, or worse?

I don't really care to get into it here and now.
 

D1gger

Diamond Member
Oct 3, 2004
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I believe that after life there is death.

I came very close to dying a number of years ago and had no experience of floating, hearing voices, seeing relatives, seeing strangers, or even seeing devils to greet me into the afterlife.

It was just black nothingness until they brought me back to consciousness; when the nurses and doctors congratulated each other and I heard the ER doctor proclaim, "Good work team, I thought we lost that one".

I didn't believe in the afterlife before that experience, and I don't believe in it now.
 

Turin39789

Lifer
Nov 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: rh71
I was listening to the radio morning show - they were talking about things you believe in (ghosts, UFOs, etc.). They got to the subject of the afterlife and some RN at a hospital calls in. In her words, "without fail, just as they are about to pass, they always look to the corner of the room and ask 'do you see them?', and they seem to pass in great peace." Another of the hosts agreed that's what he read about too. The RN went on to say if it were members of your loved ones, they would mention their relationship ("I see my brother", mother, etc.) rather than saying "them" as if they were strangers... a welcoming committee of sorts (not to make light of the situation).

This is the first time I've heard about the dying looking at the corner and saying something just before they die - google fails me. You guys heard of this before?

No need to explain the staring into the corner, it doesn't happen every time, that was just a loony RN calling in.
 

SphinxnihpS

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2005
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If there is an afterlife it is irrelevant. When you die, your brain along with all of your memories rots. If some part of you goes somewhere after you die, it won't remember this experience, making any life after this irrelevant.

The goal of life seems only to be to seek. Eventually, and probably much sooner than any of us think, we will defeat death with technology. As we speak we are unlocking the secrets of the brain and mind. We are also beginning to fabricate machines on the smallest scales. These two technologies will fuel and accelerate the quest to create and perfect intelligence and will result in people (human intelligence) living forever.
 

drum

Diamond Member
Feb 1, 2003
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I think we go into a state like we were before we were born if you can understand what I mean. No sensations or memories or reunions, just cease to be.
I never was very good at speculation though
 

Vehemence

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Jan 25, 2008
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No, and I certainly hope there isn't one because if there is, whatever governs it must be pretty fucked up to let me in on it, or I'll get the horrible version of it or something. Hopefully if there is a god he has a sense of humor and is cool with pedos.
 

So

Lifer
Jul 2, 2001
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Originally posted by: child of wonder
It's hard to believe that there may be nothing after this life. Personally, I think there might be something but that's not going to stop me from taking full advantage of the life I have now like it's my last.

See, I don't get this...is it hard to believe, or just hard to stomach? As people have said, there seem to be two camps.

A. I want to believe, so I choose to, whether there is a good reason or not.
B. Out of body experiences are fully described by the behavior of a dying brain, and I can't believe something without evidence.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Of course there is an afterlife. When you die your body slowly decomposed into Nitrogen and other nutrients. Your consciousness however will "die" with the other organic matter in your body.

Your thoughts and feelings are all just chemicals and electric pulses.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
If there is an afterlife it is irrelevant. When you die, your brain along with all of your memories rots. If some part of you goes somewhere after you die, it won't remember this experience, making any life after this irrelevant.

The goal of life seems only to be to seek. Eventually, and probably much sooner than any of us think, we will defeat death with technology. As we speak we are unlocking the secrets of the brain and mind. We are also beginning to fabricate machines on the smallest scales. These two technologies will fuel and accelerate the quest to create and perfect intelligence and will result in people (human intelligence) living forever.

Yes, sort of like copying the brain onto a hard drive, cloning your body, and installing the same brain into the new body. Eventually the nuclear apocalypse would nullify this though.
 

dr150

Diamond Member
Sep 18, 2003
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Originally posted by: D1gger
I believe that after life there is death.

I came very close to dying a number of years ago and had no experience of floating, hearing voices, seeing relatives, seeing strangers, or even seeing devils to greet me into the afterlife.

It was just black nothingness until they brought me back to consciousness; when the nurses and doctors congratulated each other and I heard the ER doctor proclaim, "Good work team, I thought we lost that one".

I didn't believe in the afterlife before that experience, and I don't believe in it now.


You experienced Purgatory.

You're not spiritually advanced enough to get into the Gates of Heaven.

If you want to skip Purgatory, I suggest you bequeath your meager earnings to the Catholic Church to spend less time in limbo.

Your donations to the Catholic Church is your ONLY salvation. BELIEVE IT!

That is all....
 

jonks

Lifer
Feb 7, 2005
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when I carve out my victim's hearts, they're usually too busy screaming to notice the ghosts in the corner. but since i only kill bad people the ghosts waiting for them might actually be what's causing them to scream in terror. well, that and my knife.










alright that was disturbing.
 

MiniDoom

Diamond Member
Jan 5, 2004
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yes, I don't believe you can destroy energy, only transfer it. I don't believe in ghosts, heaven and hell and all that other peachy shit. I do however look forward to another trip.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
If there is an afterlife it is irrelevant. When you die, your brain along with all of your memories rots. If some part of you goes somewhere after you die, it won't remember this experience, making any life after this irrelevant.

The goal of life seems only to be to seek. Eventually, and probably much sooner than any of us think, we will defeat death with technology. As we speak we are unlocking the secrets of the brain and mind. We are also beginning to fabricate machines on the smallest scales. These two technologies will fuel and accelerate the quest to create and perfect intelligence and will result in people (human intelligence) living forever.

Yes, sort of like copying the brain onto a hard drive, cloning your body, and installing the same brain into the new body. Eventually the nuclear apocalypse would nullify this though.

I would like to formally request that my consciousness be loaded into Cameron's body.

kthxbye
 

So

Lifer
Jul 2, 2001
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Originally posted by: rdubbz420
yes, I don't believe you can destroy energy, only transfer it. I don't believe in ghosts, heaven and hell and all that other peachy shit. I do however look forward to another trip.

I don't think that you have a very complete understanding of what energy is.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: jonks
when I carve out my victim's hearts, they're usually too busy screaming to notice the ghosts in the corner. but since i only kill bad people the ghosts waiting for them might actually be what's causing them to scream in terror. well, that and my knife.

alright that was disturbing.
If you gagged them, or rendered them unconscious, it might be easier for you.


Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
yes, I don't believe you can destroy energy, only transfer it. I don't believe in ghosts, heaven and hell and all that other peachy shit. I do however look forward to another trip.

I don't think that you have a very complete understanding of what energy is.
Indeed. Conscious thought isn't some magical "energy." It's a continuous process of neurons exchanging electrochemical impulses. When food decays, the only "energy" released is from chemical bonds being broken down by bacteria metabolizing it. Same with when you die. Your body loses thermal energy, and its chemical energy is metabolized by microorganisms.

 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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I believe in it yes. Key word believe. I don't claim to know anything about its nature and I don't live my life around it. That said, the concept of heaven and hell (generally speaking) makes sense, assuming there is an afterlife.
 
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