Do you believe that Islam and its followers are a threat to the world?

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Orignal Earl

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As individuals, Muslims can be and often are truly excellent people. The problem is that when the concentration of Muslims within the population increases, Muslim tolerance and acceptance of that which is not Muslim decreases.

So your theory is that when there is more Muslims the normal ones start to morph into terrorists?
There is over 50 Muslim majority countries, which ones are terror states?
 
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realibrad

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You know Islam used to be the center of world knowledge. During their golden age Muslims advanced science and mathematics at an outstanding rate and made huge discoveries and advancements for all humanity. They were an open society where even the "doubters" (atheists of the day) were welcome.

We can directly trace the end of that golden age to a few assholes who thought it would be a great idea to insert religion into science and math. Islam has not recovered since and remains stuck in the past.

I seem to recall a religious group that has been trying, and continues to, insert religion into science these days. THAT is far more of a threat to us than Islam ever will be.

I would say that Genghis Khan had a lot more to do with their collapse than anything. It is true that you have people saying that math was the language of the Devil, so I'm sure that would not help.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I work every day with a Muslim. He has an MBA, is a respected colleague, and a family man.
Clearly a threat to the civilized world!

The question is overbroad and the choices too limiting. Some Muslims are dangerous but the majority aren't.

I don't think that denying IS being an Islamic group is very helpful though.

some interesting perspectives

I'd suggest looking at Al Jazeera further. They're hardly a right wing Christian rag.
 

squarecut1

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The decline of the Muslim world essentially was no different from the decline of other civilizations. People became self indulgent, increase of ignorance, increase of corruption, and so on and so forth. Same thing that present day America is going through. It is like a law of nature for civilizations. Human nature, after all, has not changed.
 

alzan

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You don't see how what?

I don't see how you can read the thread/poll title as meaning not necessarily all. The title doesn't delineate radical Islam, it says Islam. That suggests that the OP means the religion of Islam and the totality of it's followers, not just the radical or extremist followers of Islam.
 
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Jaskalas

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So your theory is that when there is more Muslims the normal ones start to morph into terrorists?
There is over 50 Muslim majority countries, which ones are terror states?

Did he say terrorist?

Acting as supremacists and oppressors can be official government policy. No need for terrorism to find cultures that have sidelined human rights. I'd be interested in a listing or comparison on the status of women in those 50 countries.
 

Jaskalas

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I don't think that denying IS being an Islamic group is very helpful though.

It is... and it isn't. Who do you want teens to think represents Islam?

Who should they be inspired by and act towards joining? ISIS seems like a poor choice. Public opinion then, MUST be shaped to denounce ISIS from Islam. That public messaging is how you fight this war of ideals and of symbols. We must act to shape public opinion so that Islam does NOT equal terrorism.
 

justoh

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I don't see how you can read the thread/poll title as meaning not necessarily all. The title doesn't delineate radical Islam, it says Islam. That suggests that the OP means the religion of Islam and it's followers, not just the radical or extremist followers of Islam.

because it doesn't specifically ask whether we believe all followers are a threat. If any of them are then its fine to state that followers of islam are.
 

TreVader

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Lol no how are they a threat to anybody but Israel?


For me "The Civilized World" is US + GB + Canada



The rest of the world can go fuck itself.
 

Darwin333

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Fundametalism kills everything.

One can only imagine how much more advanced our society would be had it not been for various religions (basically mankind not nature) slowing down, or at times completely retarding, scientific advancement.

We lost centuries to the dark ages and untold billions of "minds" to Islams dark age. Look at what the last century has brought us and ponder what the next might bring us and then realize that we should already be well beyond that. We could very well be traveling the stars right now, today, had it not been for the intervention of religion.

THAT is what I fear about religion, not some assholes blowing each other up. Taking a life is one thing but convincing massive parts of the population to stop thinking is far worse and is the very thing that makes them so "controllable".
 

Darwin333

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I would say that Genghis Khan had a lot more to do with their collapse than anything. It is true that you have people saying that math was the language of the Devil, so I'm sure that would not help.

We can quite literally trace it back to the person, place and time. As far as I've seen, it isn't debated much.
 

Atreus21

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Okay before you guys start getting your panties in a bunch and calling me a bigot, take a moment to read what i am saying.

We can argue endlessly about who is a 'true' Muslim and who isn't.. but that would be useless. Fact of the matter is Muslims around the world are turning to violence and intolerance. You can point out muslims that are peaceful, and i can point out n equal number of Muslims who support the ideology of intolerance and manslaughter with their whole hearts. If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't have British, American, Indian and other countries' Muslim citizens flocking to the middle east to join ISIS.

In the past, deniers often claim that its is not Islam but poverty and lack of proper education that is responsible for people turning to terrorism. Now we have this-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vered-head-wearing-white-doctor-s-jacket.html

This girl isn't poor by any means, and she sure as hell ain't uneducated. So what gives?

I believe that it is time that the world stops being afraid of being labelled 'racist' and call a spade a spade. Islam as of now is no longer just a religion. It has turned into a violent, dangerous cult. A cult that preaches death upon nonbelievers. Something like this has absolutely no place in the modern society.

I believe there are scores of moderate muslims. The Sufis for example. But I believe the strain of Islam that is fundamentally opposed to civilization (ISIS, Al-Qaida, etc.) is a very real threat.

I also believe that moderate muslims should, if they aren't already, take great pains to denounce those who would justify murder by their religion.

Do you believe that people should be wary of muslims and place checks on their ever increasing populations?

In general, no. The issue is not that they're a growing population, but that we don't expect them to adopt western culture when they move into western culture.
 

Retro Rob

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One can only imagine how much more advanced our society would be had it not been for various religions (basically mankind not nature) slowing down, or at times completely retarding, scientific advancement.

This is an awfully old and conjectural argument. People who are extremely prejudice against religion (not saying you are) preach this as truth and a reason to suppress religion in an attempt to "preserve the future of science".

Sick of hearing this.

We lost centuries to the dark ages and untold billions of "minds" to Islams dark age. Look at what the last century has brought us and ponder what the next might bring us and then realize that we should already be well beyond that. We could very well be traveling the stars right now, today, had it not been for the intervention of religion.

Nonsense.

There is literally no way to know this.

THAT is what I fear about religion, not some assholes blowing each other up. Taking a life is one thing but convincing massive parts of the population to stop thinking is far worse and is the very thing that makes them so "controllable".

You have serious issues if your fear of losing your gadgets, science, and tech outweighs your fear losing those whose lives are literally threatened EVERY SINGLE HOUR OF EVERY SINGLE DAY by extremists.

That's pathetic, and inhumane.
 

Newell Steamer

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you seem to be confused. you do know the difference between race and religion dont you?

Terrorism doesn't have to be based on a religion - is that why you turn a blind eye to when a white terrorist lashes out?

This link sums things up rather well,..
http://www.juancole.com/2012/08/top-ten-differences-between-white-terrorists-and-others.html
1. White terrorists are called “gunmen.” What does that even mean? A person with a gun? Wouldn’t that be, like, everyone in the US? Other terrorists are called, like, “terrorists.”

2. White terrorists are “troubled loners.” Other terrorists are always suspected of being part of a global plot, even when they are obviously troubled loners.

3. Doing a study on the danger of white terrorists at the Department of Homeland Security will get you sidelined by angry white Congressmen. Doing studies on other kinds of terrorists is a guaranteed promotion.

4. The family of a white terrorist is interviewed, weeping as they wonder where he went wrong. The families of other terrorists are almost never interviewed.

5. White terrorists are part of a “fringe.” Other terrorists are apparently mainstream.

6. White terrorists are random events, like tornadoes. Other terrorists are long-running conspiracies.

7. White terrorists are never called “white.” But other terrorists are given ethnic affiliations.

8. Nobody thinks white terrorists are typical of white people. But other terrorists are considered paragons of their societies.

9. White terrorists are alcoholics, addicts or mentally ill. Other terrorists are apparently clean-living and perfectly sane.

10. There is nothing you can do about white terrorists. Gun control won’t stop them. No policy you could make, no government program, could possibly have an impact on them. But hundreds of billions of dollars must be spent on police and on the Department of Defense, and on TSA, which must virtually strip search 60 million people a year, to deal with other terrorists.

I may come off as confused, but, at least I am not willingly & intentionally blind, like you and your kind.
 

Atreus21

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One can only imagine how much more advanced our society would be had it not been for various religions (basically mankind not nature) slowing down, or at times completely retarding, scientific advancement.

Who postulated the big bang theory?
 

alzan

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because it doesn't specifically ask whether we believe all followers are a threat. If any of them are then its fine to state that followers of islam are.

No, it isn't. It's incorrect and misleading to view all followers of insert religion here as a threat because of the actions and words of a small percentage of that religion.
 

BurnItDwn

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While I see a lot of negatives about religion, I do not see islam as being any worse of different vs any other religion.
 

Newell Steamer

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No, it isn't. It's incorrect and misleading to view all followers of insert religion here as a threat because of the actions and words of a small percentage of that religion.

Well, hur dur dur,.. 10% is not a 'small percentage',... hur dur dur,..

Actually, it's not even a percentage - at all it seems; http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ed-zakaria-blasts-fuzzy-math-article-1.474956

10% of 1.6 billion is 160,000,000. Do people REALLY believe that there are 160 million Islamic terrorists??

Because if there were, most of us would be all dead by now.

A 160 million army of people out to kill anyone who is not like them, is a large number. And, we would certainly notice something that huge coming in from Mexico,...
 

alzan

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Well, hur dur dur,.. 10% is not a 'small percentage',... hur dur dur,..

Actually, it's not even a percentage - at all it seems; http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ed-zakaria-blasts-fuzzy-math-article-1.474956

10% of 1.6 billion is 160,000,000. Do people REALLY believe that there are 160 million Islamic terrorists??

Because if there were, most of us would be all dead by now.

A 160 million army of people out to kill anyone who is not like them, is a large number. And, we would certainly notice something that huge coming in from Mexico,...

Glenn Beck is good for comedy relief but not much else.

I wouldn't believe that clown if he said "Good morning"
 
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Okay before you guys start getting your panties in a bunch and calling me a bigot, take a moment to read what i am saying.

We can argue endlessly about who is a 'true' Muslim and who isn't.. but that would be useless. Fact of the matter is Muslims around the world are turning to violence and intolerance. You can point out muslims that are peaceful, and i can point out n equal number of Muslims who support the ideology of intolerance and manslaughter with their whole hearts. If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't have British, American, Indian and other countries' Muslim citizens flocking to the middle east to join ISIS.

In the past, deniers often claim that its is not Islam but poverty and lack of proper education that is responsible for people turning to terrorism. Now we have this-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vered-head-wearing-white-doctor-s-jacket.html

This girl isn't poor by any means, and she sure as hell ain't uneducated. So what gives?

I believe that it is time that the world stops being afraid of being labelled 'racist' and call a spade a spade. Islam as of now is no longer just a religion. It has turned into a violent, dangerous cult. A cult that preaches death upon nonbelievers. Something like this has absolutely no place in the modern society.

Do you believe that people should be wary of muslims and place checks on their ever increasing populations?

You start off by saying to others, don't simply dismiss this as the writing of a bigot and then proceed to open the floodgates of bigotry.

btw, given that Muslims are from all kinds of nationalities/ethnic backgrounds not sure why you refer to racism unless you're one of the ignorant who think that Muslims are only middle eastern and this is as much about 'ragheads' as it is about Islam.
 
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