To debunk the nonsensical claim that religion generally serves to hinder scientific progress.
What are your thoughts on Islam's contribution to science and medicine?
To debunk the nonsensical claim that religion generally serves to hinder scientific progress.
Did he say terrorist?
Acting as supremacists and oppressors can be official government policy. No need for terrorism to find cultures that have sidelined human rights. I'd be interested in a listing or comparison on the status of women in those 50 countries.
Just look at the push to to teach Intelligent Design in classrooms; that's impeding science in the modern age.
Gee, I can play that game too; let's talk about Galileo and his heliocentric model and how the Roman Inquisition concluded that Galileo was attacking the pope.
One priest does not a debunk make.
Would you care to debunk the claim across all scientific fields and not just one?
Historically, the Church has often been a patron of sciences. It has been prolific in the foundation of schools, universities and hospitals, and many clergy have been active in the sciences. Historians of science such as Pierre Duhem credit medieval Catholic mathematicians and philosophers such as John Buridan, Nicole Oresme and Roger Bacon as the founders of modern science.
Catholic scientists, both religious and lay, have led scientific discovery in many fields. From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains the single greatest private provider of medical care and research facilities in the world. Following the Fall of Rome, monasteries and convents remained bastions of scholarship in Western Europe and clergymen were the leading scholars of the age - studying nature, mathematics and the motion of the stars (largely for religious purposes). During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas, who helped establish scientific method. During this period, the Church was also a great patron of engineering for the construction of elaborate cathedrals. Since the Renaissance, Catholic scientists have been credited as fathers of a diverse range of scientific fields: Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744–1829) prefigured the theory of evolution with Lamarckism; Friar Gregor Mendel (1822–84) pioneered genetics and Fr Georges Lemaitre (1894-1966) proposed the Big Bang cosmological model. The Jesuits have been particularly active, notably in astronomy. Church patronage of sciences continues through elite institutions like the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and Vatican Observatory.
Just look at the push to to teach Intelligent Design in classrooms; that's impeding science in the modern age.
No, it isn't. It's incorrect and misleading to view all followers of insert religion here as a threat because of the actions and words of a small percentage of that religion.
I also believe that moderate muslims should, if they aren't already, take great pains to denounce those who would justify murder by their religion.
You mean like they've already been doing for years? Maybe it's time that the rest of the world actually listens to them.
That's why I said, "if they're not already." I realize it may be that these denunciations may not be given much of a microphone.
That's why I said, "if they're not already." I realize it may be that these denunciations may not be given much of a microphone.
You would have to be blind and deaf not to know this even with the issues of trying to get the media to cover it. It's been covered and the information has, for the most part, simply been ignored.
Moderate Muslims shouldn't have to associate themselves with terrorists, radicals, etc at all.
We don't see other Christians apologizing every time some hypocrite gets caught doing something shitty
Then I must be blind or deaf.
I didn't condemn them for not denouncing it. I said if they're not, they should. If they are, then good.
I guess my point was, don't call for something (like denouncing the radicals/terrorists) when you don't actually know what you're talking about. How long would it have taken on Google to find out the facts? 10 minutes maybe?
No, but you do see us denouncing clinic bombers as terrorists and murderers. If Christians aren't doing this, then they should be. Just like Muslims.
This is an awfully old and conjectural argument. People who are extremely prejudice against religion (not saying you are) preach this as truth and a reason to suppress religion in an attempt to "preserve the future of science".
Sick of hearing this.
Nonsense.
There is literally no way to know this.
You have serious issues if your fear of losing your gadgets, science, and tech outweighs your fear losing those whose lives are literally threatened EVERY SINGLE HOUR OF EVERY SINGLE DAY by extremists.
That's pathetic, and inhumane.
I don't think radical Islam would be even close to the threat it is if the U.S. didn't have the reach it does. Imagine if Afghanistan tried to have bases setup around the U.S. Would Christians do anything to get them out?
They see us as an invading force in their holy lands. And we would do the same.
They also see us as protecting our oil supplies while supporting governments rife with graft. They (as we would) see us as desecrating what they consider sacred.
Who postulated the big bang theory?
Islam has a proud history regarding scholarship. I don't know much in particular about it, but I know they've made many good contributions. IIRC, a bunch of craters on the moon are named after Muslim astronomers who discovered them in antiquity.
Wikipedia says some historians credit Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥasan ibn al-Ḥasan ibn al-Haytham (good luck with pronunciation) as the founder, or at least a major contributor, to the scientific method in the 10th or 11th century.
I have no desire to supress religion, I just wished religion would stop trying to supress science as it has been doing with most of Islam for quite some time.
Why?
Religion tells people to stop thinking, usually under threat of great bodily harm and even death.
Gadgets like vaccines and penicillin you mean?
How many people would have been saved if throughout our history medicine was a few centuries more advanced?
How many people could we save today if medicine was 100 or 200 years more advanced?
What I described as my biggest fear of religion is one of the reasons WHY religion can convince people to blow themselves up.
Frankly, I personally have absolutely zero fear of being physically harmed by radical Islam, if you do and you live in the US then I feel sorry for you.
in a pinch, if fanaticism was a value, would you say Islamic fanaticism > Christian fanaticism, or the other way around?Islam and its followers are not a threat to the world...fanaticism (even that of Christianity) is a threat.