Do you believe that Israel is America's friend??

[p4crusher]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting unarmed civilans looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

they pulled that one.

 

[p4crusher]

Updated link they pulled the video so I used this.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

I disagree with this. Just because they did not support us in one war (I honestly do not know if they did or did not, I'll take your word on it) does not mean that they are not our "friends." Because they thought the Iraq war was wrong (which personally, I agree), and they chose not to support us in it does not mean that they are not our Allies. I know this is a much lower level example, but think of it this way: If your friend is strongly sided on one view, and you are sided on the other, does that make you and your friend not friends? No it doesn't. America had the option of either going in or staying out of Iraq. They chose to go in. I am sure that if someone attacked America, then Isreal would back us up with no problem (and they did this with 9-11). Also, don't forget that they are helping us with the War on Terror.

While we are tlaking about Iraq, I should mention that this is much like the situation with the USA and France. They did not back us up in the Iraq war, so therefore virtually the entire USA assumes France is not our "friend." Keep two things in mind, first, France has thousands of troops right now in Afganstatan, and two, without France, we would not have our country (think American Revolution). I have no idea what this has to do with anything we are talking about , but it has been on my mind for a while.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

OK, this is a military conflict. People have already said it in this thread, but apparently it is not registering with you, so I will say it again, THERE WILL BE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES IN WAR/MILTIARY CONFLICTS. Did you guys all see the video of the American soldiers killing an Iraqi and laughing? What about Nagasaki and Hiroshima? That may be a bit extreme, but its a military conflict, what can you expect, for no one to die? Get realistic already!

 

[p4crusher]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

OK, this is a military conflict. People have already said it in this thread, but apparently it is not registering with you, so I will say it again, THERE WILL BE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES IN WAR/MILTIARY CONFLICTS. Did you guys all see the video of the American soldiers killing an Iraqi and laughing? What about Nagasaki and Hiroshima? That may be a bit extreme, but its a military conflict, what can you expect, for no one to die? Get realistic already!

Why don't you try reading the post first before you make an @ss of yourself, the presence said idf was not killing unarmed civilians.(he's owned)
As for the so-called video of american soldiers that was edited so go watch the WHOLE thing first.

 

[SLCentral]

Hmmm...my mistake .

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

didn't read your own link very closely did you. activists tearing up a defense fence? ignoring warning shots, only wounded. if the idf were palestinians, there would be 20 dead frmo a bomb blast.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
if the idf were palestinians, there would be 20 dead frmo a bomb blast.

You know, 0roo0roo, you just proved how horribly biased you are. Just look at what you wrote and think about it for a sec(before you post a reply). You pretty much just labled all palestinians as murderers/terrorists. Or atlest asumed non of them have any respect for life. You generaly make pretty good posts based on fact, but this time your bias sure was peeking out.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

didn't read your own link very closely did you. activists tearing up a defense fence? ignoring warning shots, only wounded. if the idf were palestinians, there would be 20 dead frmo a bomb blast.

Exactly!

And about the support of Israel in the war against Iraq: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

Israel favoured the war in Iraq by all means. It backed the U.S. entirly, but in order to prevent a case in which Israel is to be blamed for provocing the war, the U.S. TOLD Israel to stay put and NEVER talk about its COMPLETE support, over the world-wide media.

Israel is a western country and is affected by American values;
You must realize that Israel is ON YOUR SIDE people! ON YOUR SIDE...

 

[p4crusher]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

didn't read your own link very closely did you. activists tearing up a defense fence? ignoring warning shots, only wounded. if the idf were palestinians, there would be 20 dead frmo a bomb blast.

Another non-reader see page three for history " the israelies do not fire on unarmed civilians" as stated by the presence.
Now the hard part reading comprehension "I say as for the idf not shooting civilians" the idf troops were not in danger and fired live ammo into an unarmed crowd of demonstators. The people where lucky they were only wounded as stated in said article " The incident occurred at the Palestinian village of Masha near Qalqilya in the West Bank."

The idf was building a fence in their town and when the palestinian people went to tear it down they were fired on. As shown in the video that was removed by cnn all the people were unarmed.
Now back to the point is Israel our friend?

 

[firewall]

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

didn't read your own link very closely did you. activists tearing up a defense fence? ignoring warning shots, only wounded. if the idf were palestinians, there would be 20 dead frmo a bomb blast.

Another non-reader see page three for history " the israelies do not fire on unarmed civilians" as stated by the presence.
Now the hard part reading comprehension "I say as for the idf not shooting civilians" the idf troops were not in danger and fired live ammo into an unarmed crowd of demonstators. The people where lucky they were only wounded as stated in said article " The incident occurred at the Palestinian village of Masha near Qalqilya in the West Bank."

The idf was building a fence in their town and when the palestinian people went to tear it down they were fired on. As shown in the video that was removed by cnn all the people were unarmed.
Now back to the point is Israel our friend?

these people were trying to tear down a fence that prevents attacks on civilians, which the palestinians are intent on supporting. in a poll 59% supported continued attacks even after they recieve a state. its hardly unreasonable a fence that keeps suicide bombers from taking a 15 minute trip into israel from being built in this context. on that very day 1 rocket was fired against civilians, one suicide bomber killed civilians. the palestinian side was less then peaceful. the israelis recieved dead true innocents without warning unlike the protestors. the palestinians got merely wounded, and only after warning shots, and only because they were commiting a crime by tearing down property. continue to destroy something even after told to stop by a police officer and they'll subdue you any way they can.

in the face of being blown up and fired at, israels restraint is far stronger then most any nation out there.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

didn't read your own link very closely did you. activists tearing up a defense fence? ignoring warning shots, only wounded. if the idf were palestinians, there would be 20 dead frmo a bomb blast.

Another non-reader see page three for history " the israelies do not fire on unarmed civilians" as stated by the presence.
Now the hard part reading comprehension "I say as for the idf not shooting civilians" the idf troops were not in danger and fired live ammo into an unarmed crowd of demonstators. The people where lucky they were only wounded as stated in said article " The incident occurred at the Palestinian village of Masha near Qalqilya in the West Bank."

The idf was building a fence in their town and when the palestinian people went to tear it down they were fired on. As shown in the video that was removed by cnn all the people were unarmed.
Now back to the point is Israel our friend?

these people were trying to tear down a fence that prevents attacks on civilians, which the palestinians are intent on supporting. in a poll 59% supported continued attacks even after they recieve a state. its hardly unreasonable a fence that keeps suicide bombers from taking a 15 minute trip into israel from being built in this context. on that very day 1 rocket was fired against civilians, one suicide bomber killed civilians. the palestinian side was less then peaceful. the israelis recieved dead true innocents without warning unlike the protestors. the palestinians got merely wounded, and only after warning shots, and only because they were commiting a crime by tearing down property. continue to destroy something even after told to stop by a police officer and they'll subdue you any way they can.

in the face of being blown up and fired at, israels restraint is far stronger then most any nation out there.

He's talking out of his @ss. He sees a story pop up today so he assumes he knows what happened there. Don't bother with this guy.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: p4crusher

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
NO, they are not our friend. They didn't even support us in the iraq war.

Care to elaborate?

Why don't you elaborate what's your position? Do you have one besides the idf does not kill civilians ever (despite confirmation from amnesty international/red cross ect)?

What's really going on? Is israel more than a money grabbing slut in usa middle east foreign policy?

If the money and weapons were cut off would they still be our little buddy??
Is the idf guilty of human rights violations or is it massive conspiracy??
Does saying the truth make me an jew basher??

Are you being owned and just don't know it??

I wasn't going to waste time and bandwidth replying to your childish and ignorant posts, but you saying that I'm being owned just made me laugh. Why don't you scroll up a bit and read about Moshe Katsav's "toys".

More diversionary tactics (moshe IS the titular president ) what does that have to do with your position??
Do you even have one or are you a flame queen who makes slick remarks with no original concepts??

That's why your owned because you make statements with no facts and the fact that your laughing means your an incompetant debater. As for the IDF not shooting civilians looks like you have been OWNED again !!!

didn't read your own link very closely did you. activists tearing up a defense fence? ignoring warning shots, only wounded. if the idf were palestinians, there would be 20 dead frmo a bomb blast.

Another non-reader see page three for history " the israelies do not fire on unarmed civilians" as stated by the presence.
Now the hard part reading comprehension "I say as for the idf not shooting civilians" the idf troops were not in danger and fired live ammo into an unarmed crowd of demonstators. The people where lucky they were only wounded as stated in said article " The incident occurred at the Palestinian village of Masha near Qalqilya in the West Bank."

The idf was building a fence in their town and when the palestinian people went to tear it down they were fired on. As shown in the video that was removed by cnn all the people were unarmed.
Now back to the point is Israel our friend?

these people were trying to tear down a fence that prevents attacks on civilians, which the palestinians are intent on supporting. in a poll 59% supported continued attacks even after they recieve a state. its hardly unreasonable a fence that keeps suicide bombers from taking a 15 minute trip into israel from being built in this context. on that very day 1 rocket was fired against civilians, one suicide bomber killed civilians. the palestinian side was less then peaceful. the israelis recieved dead true innocents without warning unlike the protestors. the palestinians got merely wounded, and only after warning shots, and only because they were commiting a crime by tearing down property. continue to destroy something even after told to stop by a police officer and they'll subdue you any way they can.

in the face of being blown up and fired at, israels restraint is far stronger then most any nation out there.

Yes, they were trying to tear down the fence that has no right to be there in the first place. If the fence was meant to truly prevent attacks on civilians it should have been build in Israel, otherwise it is simply another land-grab.
Then, when it comes to negotiations, Israel will use the land (the one they just grabbed) as a bargain chip. Just like they used all the other land they already stole in previous negotiations and made it seam like they were "Godly Righteous" that they wanted to give part of it back.

 

[JackStorm]

People like 0roo0roo seem to have a problem admitting that it's nothing but land grab. If the israeli government really cared about civilians, they would packup those damn settlers and leave palestinian land and build a wall around their own god damn land.

Oh, and I have a question for you 0roo0roo, how do you feel about the settlers who WILLINGLY and KNOWNINGLY move into land that doesn't belong to israel and then expect everything to be fine and dandy (as in the palestinian people just accepting it) ?

I, personaly, don't see why anyone would/should accept/condone this kinda behavior, anymore than they would accept the behavior of the suicide bombers or IDF soldiers who sometimes get trigger happy (YES, it's happend, it would be naive to deny it).

 

[p4crusher]

Don't say that those two have their blinders on,Israel has nukes and sold nukes to south africa during apartheid and helped in at least 1 nuclear test. Refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international insectors. They sold nuke tech to china for christ sake sank the uss liberty in international waters killing 34 and wounding 171 americans blew up diplomatic facility in egypt and don't get me started on john pollard.

They send assassins into other countries to kill political enemies,violate international borders with warplanes and artillery and navel gunfire. Admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed and refused to prosecute it's soldiers.
Hey in what country does the man who ordered the assassination of a high ranking u.n. diplomat become prime minister.

Hey I could go on and on but I think you get the picture. Israel is going to be up shxt's creek as soon as the usa sets up shop in the middle east. Then they will get to answer for all the b.s.

Is israel our buddy HELL MOTHER****ING NO !!!!

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: JackStorm
People like 0roo0roo seem to have a problem admitting that it's nothing but land grab. If the israeli government really cared about civilians, they would packup those damn settlers and leave palestinian land and build a wall around their own god damn land.

Oh, and I have a question for you 0roo0roo, how do you feel about the settlers who WILLINGLY and KNOWNINGLY move into land that doesn't belong to israel and then expect everything to be fine and dandy (as in the palestinian people just accepting it) ?

I, personaly, don't see why anyone would/should accept/condone this kinda behavior, anymore than they would accept the behavior of the suicide bombers or IDF soldiers who sometimes get trigger happy (YES, it's happend, it would be naive to deny it).

simple fact is this, land can be given back, lives cannot. the palestinians have chosen to commit themselves to inhumane tactics to fulfil their political ambitions from the very beginning, even before one settlement was built. even before the west bank was even under occupation. from 49-67 there were no settlements, there was no peace. from 67-77 there were very few settlements, and still the arabs refused peace and went to war yet again instead. so the discussion of settlements is irrelevant. the idea that a house is the same as a killing of civilians is absurd. its not even comparable. and don't even pretend the settlements are built right over palestinian houses, they aren't, they are built on unused land.

ask yourself this, after germany was defeated in ww2, did the defeated have a say in how their country was carved up? no. and these palestinians have lost not just once, but several times, they took their chances with war and now they do not accept what they have reaped. before settlements the palestinians could commit terrorism with no real reprecussions. time was on their side. one reason why settlements started to was correct this. if the fence goes into a bit of palestinian land to protect actual lives, then so be it. a country acting in self-defense may seize and occupy territory when necessary to protect itself through internal law. the settlements are the result of arab agression which resulted in israel winning the land in war. a state may also require, as a condition for its withdrawal, security measures designed to ensure its citizens are not menaced again from that territory.

unlike palestinians, to whom life is cheap and easily thrown away to kill others, israelis consider life prescious. more so then land. if a little land is used for a fence, then thats what must be done. if the palestinians had been peaceful from the start, there would be no justification for a fence. you can't use endless campaigns of murder against civilians and expect not to be punished. and the fact is this, they have NOT been punished for their inhumanity, which is why they've been so eager to persist with their tactics. they do what works, and they will do it as long as people turn a blind eye to their crimes against humanity.

 

[Aimster]

OrooOroo is a joke. He only post when the topic is about Israel and his signature has "Arab hate Media". He says he is Chinese to back up the lie that he is not associate with Israel. Why would anyone not Israeli be so involved with Israel politics?

 

[0roo0roo]

Don't say that those two have their blinders on,Israel has nukes and sold nukes to south africa during apartheid and helped in at least 1 nuclear test.

tin foil hat not on straight?

They send assassins into other countries to kill political enemies,violate international borders with warplanes and artillery and navel gunfire

ugh, yea they sent assassins after former nazi leaders, they sent assassins after top terrorist leaders, but unlike palestinians, they don't send suicide bombers after women and children. assassinate innocent israeli olympic atheletes, bomb synagogues around the world. a world of difference to most people, but not you.

OrooOroo is a joke. He only post when the topic is about Israel and his signature has "Arab hate Media". He says he is Chinese to back up the lie that he is not associate with Israel. Why would anyone not Israeli be so involved with Israel politics?

are all the people who attack me palestinians? why does anyone bother posting about iraq, none of us are iraqi.

and do you deny the wide spread and accepted mainstream existence of arab hate media as evidenced in the link? or is that culturally insensitive? racial and religious hatred by arab countries should be given a softer more PC term? perhaps arab "love" media? you know.. love is hate..war is peace... etc. hitler only loved the jews. to say anything else would be "offensive". should they be judged by a lower standard from other human beings the fact is that their schools still have text books with outrageous antisemitism, all forms of media carry blatant intollerance, and their governments, and government religious leaders all support and spout such hatred.

thats your problem, you lower your standards when judging the palestinians and other arab countries, yet place lofty ones on the israelis. blind to the double standard you are.

btw i said i was chinese like months ago. i'm happy i'm permantly etched into your mind. ding la goh fye.

perhaps your the joke.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

simple fact is this, land can be given back, lives cannot.

I think we both agree on that. I don't know have many times I've said that I condone neither suicide bombers or for that matter trigger happy IDF soldiers (I hold both sides to the same standard). Problem is, I don't see the Israeli government having any intension of giving back the land they're building a wall around.

the palestinians have chosen to commit themselves to inhumane tactics to fulfil their political ambitions from the very beginning, even before one settlement was built. even before the west bank was even under occupation. so the discussion of settlements is irrelevant.

I seem to recall it being other arab nations who started this mess (along with the Israeli to some degree) not the Palestinians. So it would be unfair to put the whole blame for this mess on the Palestinian people.

the idea that a house is the same as a killing of civilians is absurd. its not even comparable.

Never said it was. I value life more than those lunitics who murder civilians.

and don't even pretend the settlements are built right over palestinian houses, they aren't, they are built on unused land.

Never claimed they did/are. I'm not one of the Israeli hating looneys.

ask yourself this, after germany was defeated in ww2, did the defeated have a say in how their country was carved up? no. and these palestinians have lost not just once, but several times, they took their chances with war and now they do not accept what they have reaped. if the fence goes into a bit of palestinian land to protect actual lives, then so be it.

Again, I seem to recall it being other arab nations not the Palestinians who started this, they just saw fit to march over Palestinian land to do it. (Although, I could be wrong, so feel free to post a link to historical facts to correct me, but try to not take things out of context if you do)

a country acting in self-defense may seize and occupy territory when necessary to protect itself through internal law. a state may also require, as a condition for its withdrawal, security measures designed to ensure its citizens are not menaced again from that territory.

I would accept that answer if the Israeli actuly fallowed international law themselfs ( not saying they never do, but they're very selective about which laws/resolutions they fallow). They have however had a history of ignoring resolutions and other nations borders.

unlike palestinians, to whom life is cheap and easily thrown away to kill others, israelis consider life prescious. more so then land. if a little land is used for a fence, then thats what must be done.

Try not to label an entire people due to a minority of radicals ( and no, those polls that have been shown have little credibility as they're often taken out of context, no matter which side is polled)

if the palestinians had been peaceful from the start, there would be no justification for a fence. you can't use endless campaigns of murder against civilians and expect not to be punished. and the fact is this, they have NOT been punished for their inhumanity, which is why they've been so eager to persist with their tactics. they do what works, and they will do it as long as people turn a blind eye to their crimes against humanity.

While we both disagree as to who started this whole mess, I'm inclined to agree that the suicide bombers are nothing more than scum. But I also think it is unnesessary to punish an entire people based on what a minority of extremists do.

 

[Siwy]

simple fact is this, land can be given back, lives cannot

The problem is that the land will not be given back or only a small part of it in exchange for some other ridiculous conditions. The land-grab that is happening today reflects exactly what the Ariel Sharon said in 1998:
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements, because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them [the Palestinians]."

unlike palestinians, to whom life is cheap and easily thrown away to kill others

Well that is a typical statement made by a clue less bigot, isn't it? Nothing new coming out of your bigot mouth. I don't think racism and bigotry is accepted on these forums, I will contact administrators just to make sure.

israelis consider life prescious

Life of the "Chosen People" or all life?

if a little land is used for a fence, then thats what must be done. if the palestinians had been peaceful from the start, there would be no justification for a fence.

There is no justification for the fence, the whole world thinks so, even US. Simple fact is that the land grab and fence building is creating more terrorist supporters out of desperate and ordinary people, and allows extremists to thrive on that.

 

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Many times, the blindsided support of Israeli policies makes absolutely no sense. I would say that the current government of Israel is no friend of the US.

The US and Israel use each other, but Israel gets the best of the relationship. They get the money, and the backing to break international laws. The US gets little good in return. By turning a blind eye to the occupation of the Palestinians, and the apartheid tactics, anti-americanism can only continue to grow. Israel still doesn't listen to key demands by the US (fence), and this only causes them to lose a tiny bit of their annual multi-billion dollar funds they are given. Seems that US politicians are extremely afraid to speak out against the relationship between the US and Israel. It is said that it is policital death to do so. Why?

 

[0roo0roo]

Well that is a typical statement made by a clue less bigot, isn't it? Nothing new coming out of your bigot mouth. I don't think racism and bigotry is accepted on these forums, I will contact administrators just to make sure.

the official plo charter supports terrorism to achieve their goals. it has never been changed. more then 80% of palestinians polled generally support attacks against civilians, and well almost 60% support them even after a state is born. these are a people were mothers go on tv and radio and share how proud they are of their sons for killing others. this is a people where their leaders wife who lives in luxury says the same thing. it is the palestinians who dance in the street when 9/11 happened, it is they who glorify murder in all their forms of media, it is their official religious leaders who incite violence. In the IDF they teach of past mistakes where civilians were killed in order to prevent such mistakes from happening again, their official policy is to spare civilians when possible. the palestinians simply glorify murder, and its just that simple. stop living in your fantasy. perhaps you should contact the administrators to help you take off your binders. you are obviously blind to reality.

the racism is readily apparent on your side, where multiple users in more or less every israel thread have accused me of being a jew, incist i must be a jew. to better hate me of course.

and stop pretending some desperation is creating terrorists. suicide bombers in iraq alone should rid you of that notion. the years and years of horrible occupation by uS troops have created terrorism! bullsh*t. its callled fanatsism, and it doesn't thrive on reason.

such are people like you, always finding things personal. its always one of you that starts with personal attacks. its not surprising.

and the whole world? hardly. most of the world simply doesn't care, and doesn't care to make opec countries angry. how do you think arab countries get away with their attrocities and inhumanity anyways. where women arent even allowed to drive in some. israeli arabs have more democratic rights then most arabs in the arab world.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Well that is a typical statement made by a clue less bigot, isn't it? Nothing new coming out of your bigot mouth. I don't think racism and bigotry is accepted on these forums, I will contact administrators just to make sure.

the official plo charter supports terrorism to achieve their goals. it has never been changed. more then 80% of palestinians polled generally support attacks against civilians, and well almost 60% support them even after a state is born. these are a people were mothers go on tv and radio and share how proud they are of their sons for killing others. this is a people where their leaders wife who lives in luxury says the same thing. it is the palestinians who dance in the street when 9/11 happened, it is they who glorify murder in all their forms of media, it is their official religious leaders who incite violence. In the IDF they teach of past mistakes where civilians were killed in order to prevent such mistakes from happening again, their official policy is to spare civilians when possible. the palestinians simply glorify murder, and its just that simple. stop living in your fantasy. perhaps you should contact the administrators to help you take off your binders. you are obviously blind to reality. the racism is readily apparent on your side, where multiple users have accused me of being a jew, incist i must be a jew. to better hate me of course.

and stop pretending some desperation is creating terrorists. suicide bombers in iraq alone should rid you of that notion. the years and years of horrible occupation by uS troops have created terrorism! bullsh*t. its callled fanatsism, and it doesn't thrive on reason.

such are people like you, always finding things personal. its always one of you that starts with personal attacks. its not surprising.

and the whole world? hardly. most of the world simply doesn't care, and doesn't care to make opec countries angry. how do you think arab countries get away with their attrocities and inhumanity anyways. where women arent even allowed to drive in some. israeli arabs have more democratic rights then most arabs in the arab world.

The fact is that Israel has been illegally occupying Palestinian land since 1967. Which is the root of the Palestinian terrorism. You can try to draw parallels between terrorism in Iraq or even UK and Greece for that matter but the only similarity is the end result not the cause.

Chief Rabbi in Britain, Jonathan Sacks summarizes it nicely in the Guardian Unlimited interview:
"There are things that happen on a daily basis which make me feel very uncomfortable as a Jew." He was "profoundly shocked" by reports of smiling Israeli soldiers posing for a photograph with the corpse of a slain Palestinian. "There is no question that this kind of prolonged conflict, together with the absence of hope, generates hatreds and insensitivities that in the long run are corrupting to a culture."