Do you believe that man and the dinosaurs lived at the same time?

[shira]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
3chordcharlie,

And how, exactly must it be read?

It needs to be understood, that each person is responsible for every thought and action that they have/take in this life. This applies to their faith and understanding also. Therefore, I shall not attempt to tell anyone exactly how to read the Bible, but I will say that it requires a lifetime of study and prayer. Any misinterpretation that I may have, is my problem and no one else's. Whether you choose to listen to me or not, is your decision. All that I can do is to point the way, and it is up to you to choose your path. If this is true, then why do I say anything? Because I have the responsibility to do so, otherwise I would have your blood on my hands, and the love that I feel will not allow that.

Well thank you for that great big paragraph of words that explains and describes exactly nothing.

To take issue with just one itty bitty little detail: What does "each person is responsible for every thought and action that they have/take in this life" mean? According to Christian fundamentalist doctrine, all that matters is whether or not one accepts Jesus. A mass-murderer who undergoes a sincere, pre-execution acceptance of Christ is saved; an atheist physician who spends his life treating impoverished children in Africa is doomed. Apparently, it's just one specific thought and no action at all that count. Where's the "responsibility" in that?

You know, there are Christians (and Jews and Moslems and Hindus and Buddhists and Bahais and . . . .) out there who just live their lives, believe their beliefs, and generally make the world a better place. You just stink up the place.

 

[Seekermeister]

shira,

I considered answering your questions, but with your attitude it would just be a waste of time.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
The book you have to work from is not an exact copy of the original text, even if you aren't using a translation of any sort.

We know there have been translations with any number of ulterior motives, and the fact of the matter is, that even if the Bible was once the unaltered word of God, it is not now.

In any case, while accepting the existence of God and his Church and Jesus and a myriad of other spiritual items on faith is a common and understandable phenomenon - heck it might even have some truth to it!. However, rejecting the world around you because of a book is not understandable, it is a sign of mental illness.

The English, etc. translations are not exactly the original text, because that is impossible with any kind of translation of any document. However, the original Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and Chaldean text are exact. The Hebrew required that any copy of their Scriptures had to be exact. The Isaiah Scroll of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date back to the 2nd century BC, has only 13 minor differences between what exists today. These errors are like crossing Ts and dotting Is. Considering that they were found sealed in jars within a cave at Qumrum, I believe that these were writing in which errors were found, and were disposed of in this fashion.

I only know of one translation of the Bible that might be considered in the catagory that you described, with ulterior motive. Even with the induced errors in translation, it is the best source that is available, of the Word of God.

There are many versions of the Bible which attempt to be true translations; I'm not even going to get into the debate about how long the old testament existed as an oral tradition.

Your opinion about the mental state of believers is only natural considering your apparent spiritual state.

I clearly stated an opinion about the mental state of people who deny reality bcause of a book, not 'believers'; there's nothing wrong with believers as a general rule.

 

[Seekermeister]

3chordcharlie,

Your opinion is based on the idea that my beliefs comes strictly from the Bible and doesn't deal with reality, but that is not so. Your concession to allowing believing "as a general rule" is most gracious of you, but your rules do not apply to either the Bible or reality. What I interpret that to mean is that a person can believe what they choose, as long as they keep it to themselves. But, a person which understands and believes, knows that is neither possible or desirable.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
If you fail to understand the explaination that I already gave, why should I explain further? Understanding requires that little bits of truth be founded on others. If the foundation is faulty, everything built on it is also faulty.

Have you ever thought that maybe people can't understand or grasp your truth, because it has a faulty foundation that you refused to allow yourself to recognize?

If that were true, then it should be easy to demonstrate your superior knowledge and understanding. 99% of the posts in response to what I have said, are merely assertions, slanders and laughter, without any real substance. Your's is not within that other 1%.

So, who's is within the 1%?

 

[Seekermeister]

Tab,

That is a question that I shall not attempt to answer, because it composition is constantly changing, and I'm not attempting to keep score.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: magomago
No we didn't live at the same time.

Remember- God gave us brains as well

But condemned us to to a life of suffering and toil for wanting to use them.

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: magomago
No we didn't live at the same time.

Remember- God gave us brains as well

But condemned us to to a life of suffering and toil for wanting to use them.

God never condemned us, we do that ourselves. If you really wanted to use your brains, you would attempt to understand that, as well as the route to escape.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: techs
For those who take the Bible literally do you believe that man and dinosaur lived at the same time?
I saw an evangelical Christian saying this on t.v. the other night.
I was just wondering who believes it and how you reconcile it with the scientific evidence.

I don't know the passage off hand or where to find it, but if you take the scrpture literaly; one can find a refrence to Extraterrestrial Life and Jesus said it, he mentions that he has children he must take care of in another world.

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: techs
For those who take the Bible literally do you believe that man and dinosaur lived at the same time?
I saw an evangelical Christian saying this on t.v. the other night.
I was just wondering who believes it and how you reconcile it with the scientific evidence.

I don't know the passage off hand or where to find it, but if you take the scrpture literaly; one can find a refrence to Extraterrestrial Life and Jesus said it, he mentions that he has children he must take care of in another world.

The only thing that the Bible says about anything that could possibly be construed as exterresterial life, is angels. However, their location is both here on Earth, and in other dimensions (Heaven and Hell). The way that you phrased it, it is not true.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: techs
For those who take the Bible literally do you believe that man and dinosaur lived at the same time?
I saw an evangelical Christian saying this on t.v. the other night.
I was just wondering who believes it and how you reconcile it with the scientific evidence.

I don't know the passage off hand or where to find it, but if you take the scrpture literaly; one can find a refrence to Extraterrestrial Life and Jesus said it, he mentions that he has children he must take care of in another world.

The only thing that the Bible says about anything that could possibly be construed as exterresterial life, is angels. However, their location is both here on Earth, and in other dimensions (Heaven and Hell). The way that you phrased it, it is not true.

I don't have the exact passage on hand or else I would have provided a proper authoratative link.

 

[Seekermeister]

There Google, but don't waste your time, because you will not find any link, unless it is from website that is merely misrepresenting the truth.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
There Google, but don't waste your time, because you will not find any link, unless it is from website that is merely misrepresenting the truth.

You are right, but if I knew it; I would give you the exact chapter and verse. Keep in mind that I did say if you take the bible literaly (like the opening post) you will think that Jesus visits ET.

 

[Seekermeister]

The only thing that I know of that some people have interpreted in such a fashion, is just before Jesus arose, He said that He had other sheep to attend to. But, this in no way can properly be interpreted as meaning that these "sheep" were on other worlds. Nor does that constitute any literal interpretation of the passage.

 

[Googer]

I do know that there is a small group of people that believe in or interpret some of the scripture that way. But don't start assuming that I am one of them.

 

[Seekermeister]

I never make any assumptions about anyone.

 

[Googer]

I just wanted to make sure.

 

[Siddhartha]

"Do you believe that man and the dinosaurs lived at the same time?"

I was not there so I can not believe.

I took a course in Evolution and I learned that according to the Fossil record, the dinosaurs died out about 60 to 70 million years ago. There is no sign of humans until much later.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
3chordcharlie,

Your opinion is based on the idea that my beliefs comes strictly from the Bible and doesn't deal with reality, but that is not so. Your concession to allowing believing "as a general rule" is most gracious of you, but your rules do not apply to either the Bible or reality. What I interpret that to mean is that a person can believe what they choose, as long as they keep it to themselves. But, a person which understands and believes, knows that is neither possible or desirable.

You don't have to keep it to yourself at all - you're perfectly free to spout the bad science you have been so far an i'll defend your right to do so. But if you want the Bible to be true, I suggest you start twisting the passages into some really great metaphors, because the poor old book hasn't got a prayer in terms of archaeology, genesis, and gender relations (all puns intended).

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
The Bible was written in a simpler time for a simpler people.

Which is an EXCELLENT reason why it should be discarded.

why? isnt it pretty obvious there are quite a few 'simpler peoples' left?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
God never condemned us, we do that ourselves. If you really wanted to use your brains, you would attempt to understand that, as well as the route to escape.

Of course, God being all knowing, he knows what our free will is going to make us do. When he stuck that tree there and said not to eat from it, he knew darn well what would happen, but he did it anyway.
Either that, or God is in fact NOT all knowing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

Originally posted by: Vic
Note his continued moves to be exclusionary and aloof. This is exactly the sinfulness of the "literal" interpretation that I was referring to earlier. Like I said, they all read it the same, we're all blasphemers and heretics (the origin of the word heresy comes from the Greek meaning "to choose"). I sincerely doubt God approves.

"If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him." -- James 1:5

How is anyone to ask God for wisdom, if they do not believe in God in the first place? How do you believe that your concept of God is relevant, since you don't believe in Him in the first place?

Belief in God can occur independent of your particular literal interpretation of the Bible.

And there is more than one door to the room of Love. There is no teaching, There is no truth. There is no way. There is no religion, no God no no God, no anything of words. There is only one teacher and it is Love. Ask yourself if the world has no meaning would you love anyway.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
I put the "scientific" evidence there to fool you non-believers. - God.

I think god put you here to test my faith.

/Hicks

 

[Seekermeister]

Moonbeam,

And there is more than one door to the room of Love. There is no teaching, There is no truth. There is no way. There is no religion, no God no no God, no anything of words. There is only one teacher and it is Love. Ask yourself if the world has no meaning would you love anyway.

Of course you believe in god...yourself. You make statements about something that you have no knowledge of of means to test by anything other than your own opinion, which you have no inhibition about offering generously. You are verbose, yet say nothing which is true. The only love that you know anything about, is love for yourself, which is abundantly demonstrated in several threads. I do not believe that you take anything seriously...it all a game for your own amusement.

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
God never condemned us, we do that ourselves. If you really wanted to use your brains, you would attempt to understand that, as well as the route to escape.

Of course, God being all knowing, he knows what our free will is going to make us do. When he stuck that tree there and said not to eat from it, he knew darn well what would happen, but he did it anyway.
Either that, or God is in fact NOT all knowing.

Are you a parent? Have you ever told your Child to not do something, knowing that they would anyway? Your position is that God should never have allowed any evil to exist, but if He had done that, good could not have existed either. The only other alternative is that He would have made us puppets, incapable of disobeying Him, but I doubt that you would have cared for that much either. Therefore, the last alternative is that we listen to, learn from and obey God, because we choose to do so, but to do that we must grow and develop. That is what life is all about...maturing.