Do you believe?

[PepePeru]

I'm not so arrogant to think we know everything about the universe around us.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
It's all fake. Every bit of it.

I LOLed at that video! Fucking hillarious!

"What you are about to see is real and un-edited..." Umm, yeah, sure.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: So
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Gibsons
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Citrix
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Citrix
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Citrix
Ghost hunters have caught some interesting stuff on film and i would LOVE to have some pseudo-scientist in here explain EVP's</end quote></div>

The fact that they're "ghost hunters" merely proves that they want to believe. Therefore every bit of distortion, every lens flare, every particle of light reflected on a shiny surface, every fog bank, every breeze, every EVERYTHING will be attributed to the supernatural. They're kooks.</end quote></div>

no, not the ghost hunters on scifi. they try to disprove any and all stuff they capture on film or tape and have in fact proven many claims false because they were being cause by other sources.

so would you like to explain what a EVP is and how it gets on a audio tape? i would really like to know and since you seem to be an expert why don't you enlighten me.</end quote></div>

ROFLMAO!!! They're not the only kooks I see. EVP?? EV-freakin-P? I and anyone else can make an audio tape say and do anything we want. White noise can be manipulated to an amazing degree.

Since you're such an expert, can you come up with a single supposed EVP that can be verified to be 100% authentic and not created? Nope. didn't think so. Can you come up with one verified authentic EVP that can be guaranteed to be a certain word or phrase and not just random noise that gets close to and therefore interpreted as a recognizable pattern? Nope. Didn't think so.

EVP is the same as floating fog banks and lens flare. The kooks who want to believe will hear whatever they want to hear.</end quote></div>

yip i can, i have a tape of voice of a little girl who says very clearly, "my dolly" this was taken in a cemetery in Texas and the only live people there were me and my 50 year old sister. so yea its real and defiantly not white noise.</end quote></div>
you really don't expect this to convince anyone do you?

</end quote></div>

Of course not. That would requite an understanding of random signals and the human mind -- and some common sense.

And a fair bit of gullibility.

 

[glenn beck]

Originally posted by: alm99
This thread gives me the willies.

Believe it or not!

Borat says:


































naht!

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: glenn beck

Originally posted by: alm99
This thread gives me the willies.

Believe it or not!

Borat says: "I believe, naht!"

fixed

 

[xanis]

I don't believe any of this garbage. Every single one of those videos looks fake, and they all have some easy explanation.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The fact that they're "ghost hunters" merely proves that they want to believe. Therefore every bit of distortion, every lens flare, every particle of light reflected on a shiny surface, every fog bank, every breeze, every EVERYTHING will be attributed to the supernatural. They're kooks.

So the global warming scientists are kooks too since they start off with their belief before the actual proof? They are looking for a specific outcome also.

 

[Isla]

Some of that is for real and some of it is staged. The last bit is staged (demon child) and sort of makes the whole clip look bad. The shadow in the garage is for real. Some of the film of the mist in the graveyards is for real.

I've had a lot of experiences with ghosts/spirits. They don't bother me. Mostly I don't see them with my eyes as much as I see them in my head. It is when they tell me stuff that no one else knows, which ends up to be right on the money is when we all go "yikes!". I am pretty well known by my family and close friends as having a sixth sense. It is comforting in a way. "Yeah, Abuelo died but if he needs to tell us something, he will come to Isla in a dream, so don't worry about it!". That kind of thing.

I just wish a spirit would give me some winning lottery numbers or something. Then I would call it a 'gift'!

 

[compuwiz1]

Ok, I'll share. Years ago, my family had a summer lake house in Washington State. The name is Lake Roosevelt. Since most of us lived either out of state or in different cities, it was very rare for my Father, Brother, Sisters and myself to be there on the same days. We would all go when we had time.

One weekend, I had 4 days, so I took my wife and two kids on the 140 mile trip to the lake home. We arrived late, like 10:30 pm. We put all our stuff away and put the kids to bed. My wife had a glass of wine and I had a beer, before retiring for the evening. Once in bed, I was almost asleep, when I heard the side door off the kitchen open and close, then heard footsteps walking across the kitchen and toward the family room. The floors were all linoleum. I could see thru the hallway, but despite what I heard, there was nothing I could see. The footsteps changed direction, walking back toward the door and again I heard the door open and close, but could see nothing. I was very creeped out. We never said anything to the kids, as we didn't want to scare them. That was the first encounter.

It would be about two months until we would go back to the lake again. On this trip, I was almost asleep again, but saw an apparition of a Native American Woman, who was missing some teeth. She was wearing a dress, but it was kind of transparent, light bluish, as was the rest of her, except her hair was clearly gray. She was standing next to my bed, smiling at me for a couple moments. She ran her hand down under my covers, continuing to smile, then just disappeared. The following evening, my wife experienced the same visitor, although I had not told her of my encounter, she told me she was frozen still and could not move, so therefore could not alert me to what she had seen. It was only after the ghost disspeared that she gasped for air, called my name, and told me what had just happened. I shared my experience. We were both pretty freaked out.

Anyway, fast forward to years later, after my Father had sold the lake house. We were in Spokane Wa., pretty much the whole family was togther, when one of my sisters brought up ghosts, and the fact she had seen one at the lake house on one of her visits. None of us had ever shared this before. As it turns out, everyone had seen this ghost, and that is why my two step sisters never wanted to go to the lake. They never told anyone because they felt people would just think them crazy.

There is an old Cemetary across the lake. One of my friends, who's mother is into the supernatural, says the Cemetery has everything to do with this and spirits cross quiet freely over water. :shocked:

 

[TallBill]

Nope, they don't exist.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Ok, I'll share. Years ago, my family had a summer lake house in Washington State. The name is Lake Roosevelt. Since most of us lived either out of state or in different cities, it was very rare for my Father, Brother, Sisters and myself to be there on the same days. We would all go when we had time.

One weekend, I had 4 days, so I took my wife and two kids on the 140 mile trip to the lake home. We arrived late, like 10:30 pm. We put all our stuff away and put the kids to bed. My wife had a glass of wine and I had a beer, before retiring for the evening. Once in bed, I was almost asleep, when I heard the side door off the kitchen open and close, then heard footsteps walking across the kitchen and toward the family room. The floors were all linoleum. I could see thru the hallway, but despite what I heard, there was nothing I could see. The footsteps changed direction, walking back toward the door and again I heard the door open and close, but could see nothing. I was very creeped out. We never said anything to the kids, as we didn't want to scare them. That was the first encounter.

It would be about two months until we would go back to the lake again. On this trip, I was almost asleep again, but saw an apparition of a Native American Woman, who was missing some teeth. She was wearing a dress, but it was kind of transparent, light bluish, as was the rest of her, except her hair was clearly gray. She was standing next to my bed, smiling at me for a couple moments. She ran her hand down under my covers, continuing to smile, then just disappeared. The following evening, my wife experienced the same visitor, although I had not told her of my encounter, she told me she was frozen still and could not move, so therefore could not alert me to what she had seen. It was only after the ghost disspeared that she gasped for air, called my name, and told me what had just happened. I shared my experience. We were both pretty freaked out.

Anyway, fast forward to years later, after my Father had sold the lake house. We were in Spokane Wa., pretty much the whole family was togther, when one of my sisters brought up ghosts, and the fact she had seen one at the lake house on one of her visits. None of us had ever shared this before. As it turns out, everyone had seen this ghost, and that is why my two step sisters never wanted to go to the lake. They never told anyone because they felt people would just think them crazy.

There is an old Cemetary across the lake. One of my friends, who's mother is into the supernatural, says the Cemetery has everything to do with this and spirits cross quiet freely over water. :shocked:

good story thanks for sharing.

 

[azazyel]

saw a ghost once it was in a house I was renting with a friend. I was having a cig by the front door and directly behind me was the door to my room which was open and had the light on. All of a sudden I saw something pass the doorjamb. Kind of like mist but it's really hard to explain.

After that I went over to the my g/f's pad. Before I left I left a message for my roommate, "Going over to T's and by the way I think I saw a ghost." Well a little later that night I get a call at my g/f's. It was my roommate who was a little frantic. I told him what I saw and he said it was probably cool. Then he told me that his great uncle who built the house we lived in also built the one behind it. Except there wasn't a house behind ours. I guess it's burt down with him in it 10 years earlier.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The fact that they're "ghost hunters" merely proves that they want to believe. Therefore every bit of distortion, every lens flare, every particle of light reflected on a shiny surface, every fog bank, every breeze, every EVERYTHING will be attributed to the supernatural. They're kooks.</end quote></div>

So the global warming scientists are kooks too since they start off with their belief before the actual proof? They are looking for a specific outcome also.

YES! If there's a result you want to find you can find it. It's all in how you interpret the data. How is it that EVERYONE has access to the same numbers and part of the "scientific" community is sure that the sky is falling, part is sure that it's pure bunk and part has no idea? The part that has no idea are the only ones doing proper science.

 

[OutHouse]

ok ill share one of my experiences. My sister goes ghost hunting as a hobby and everytime we are in texas she drags me along. well on one such visit she drags me to this old creepy cemetery around 11pm. its pitch black, spanish moss is hanging off the trees just a very creepy place to be. so we walked around a bit then sat on a bench just to be quiet and listen. about 20 min passed and i saw a blue light in front of us about 70 feet from us near a tree line. i nudge my sis and say WTF is that it isnt a firefly because i have never seen a blue firefly and its about the size of a softball. she sees it and says I dunno. so we sat and watched it for about 10 min as it moved slowly back and forth up and down then it started moving closer to us. it got to about 10 feet from us and stopped and started pulsating. this is when my heart started to pulsate too. my sis grabs her camera (35mm canon film camera) and takes a picture of it. as soon as she takes the picture the ball of light shoots towards us and passes right between my sis and me. we turned around and it was gone.

true story. so if any of you skeptic would care to fricken explain what the hell that was i would be very interested in hearing your explanation.


EDIT: yes the picture came out and i have a scan of it but im not posting it because its her picture and she wants to make a book of all the weird sh*t she has photographed while ghost hunting. and she does have some pretty freaky stuff.

 

[engineereeyore]

What amazes me is that these people can open their doors, see ghost/gouls/demons/whatever, and just keep on filming. They don't drop their camera and run screaming, they just sit there filming these things.

As for believing in them, sure, I think there are other spirits here on the Earth. Not sure I believe in the Hollywood version of them, but I do believe in them.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Citrix
ok ill share one of my experiences. My sister goes ghost hunting as a hobby and everytime we are in texas she drags me along. well on one such visit she drags me to this old creepy cemetery around 11pm. its pitch black, spanish moss is hanging off the trees just a very creepy place to be. so we walked around a bit then sat on a bench just to be quiet and listen. about 20 min passed and i saw a blue light in front of us about 70 feet from us near a tree line. i nudge my sis and say WTF is that it isnt a firefly because i have never seen a blue firefly and its about the size of a softball. she sees it and says I dunno. so we sat and watched it for about 10 min as it moved slowly back and forth up and down then it started moving closer to us. it got to about 10 feet from us and stopped and started pulsating. this is when my heart started to pulsate too. my sis grabs her camera (35mm canon film camera) and takes a picture of it. as soon as she takes the picture the ball of light shoots towards us and passes right between my sis and me. we turned around and it was gone.

true story. so if any of you skeptic would care to fricken explain what the hell that was i would be very interested in hearing your explanation.


EDIT: yes the picture came out and i have a scan of it but im not posting it because its her picture and she wants to make a book of all the weird sh*t she has photographed while ghost hunting. and she does have some pretty freaky stuff.

Why would a skeptic have to explain it? The onus is on you to prove it was a ghost.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: Citrix
ok ill share one of my experiences. My sister goes ghost hunting as a hobby and everytime we are in texas she drags me along. well on one such visit she drags me to this old creepy cemetery around 11pm. its pitch black, spanish moss is hanging off the trees just a very creepy place to be. so we walked around a bit then sat on a bench just to be quiet and listen. about 20 min passed and i saw a blue light in front of us about 70 feet from us near a tree line. i nudge my sis and say WTF is that it isnt a firefly because i have never seen a blue firefly and its about the size of a softball. she sees it and says I dunno. so we sat and watched it for about 10 min as it moved slowly back and forth up and down then it started moving closer to us. it got to about 10 feet from us and stopped and started pulsating. this is when my heart started to pulsate too. my sis grabs her camera (35mm canon film camera) and takes a picture of it. as soon as she takes the picture the ball of light shoots towards us and passes right between my sis and me. we turned around and it was gone.

true story. so if any of you skeptic would care to fricken explain what the hell that was i would be very interested in hearing your explanation.


EDIT: yes the picture came out and i have a scan of it but im not posting it because its her picture and she wants to make a book of all the weird sh*t she has photographed while ghost hunting. and she does have some pretty freaky stuff.

Sounds like you have a hereditary issue with your brains that allows you to see things that aren't really there. They've done experiements on these types of things. It's all in your head. I read that they could easily stimulate that part of the brain to make you see something similar again.

 

[rikadik]

Originally posted by: Isla
I've had a lot of experiences with ghosts/spirits. They don't bother me. Mostly I don't see them with my eyes as much as I see them in my head. It is when they tell me stuff that no one else knows, which ends up to be right on the money is when we all go "yikes!".

Voices in your head telling you things that only you could know? Maybe you should visit a psychiatrist.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Citrix
ok ill share one of my experiences. My sister goes ghost hunting as a hobby and everytime we are in texas she drags me along. well on one such visit she drags me to this old creepy cemetery around 11pm. its pitch black, spanish moss is hanging off the trees just a very creepy place to be. so we walked around a bit then sat on a bench just to be quiet and listen. about 20 min passed and i saw a blue light in front of us about 70 feet from us near a tree line. i nudge my sis and say WTF is that it isnt a firefly because i have never seen a blue firefly and its about the size of a softball. she sees it and says I dunno. so we sat and watched it for about 10 min as it moved slowly back and forth up and down then it started moving closer to us. it got to about 10 feet from us and stopped and started pulsating. this is when my heart started to pulsate too. my sis grabs her camera (35mm canon film camera) and takes a picture of it. as soon as she takes the picture the ball of light shoots towards us and passes right between my sis and me. we turned around and it was gone.

true story. so if any of you skeptic would care to fricken explain what the hell that was i would be very interested in hearing your explanation.


EDIT: yes the picture came out and i have a scan of it but im not posting it because its her picture and she wants to make a book of all the weird sh*t she has photographed while ghost hunting. and she does have some pretty freaky stuff.</end quote></div>

Sounds like you have a hereditary issue with your brains that allows you to see things that aren't really there. They've done experiements on these types of things. It's all in your head. I read that they could easily stimulate that part of the brain to make you see something similar again.

Shh... don't ruin it. You're magic darling... *strokes hair* You're magic...

 

[DanTMWTMP]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Citrix
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Ok, I'll share. Years ago, my family had a summer lake house in Washington State. The name is Lake Roosevelt. Since most of us lived either out of state or in different cities, it was very rare for my Father, Brother, Sisters and myself to be there on the same days. We would all go when we had time.

One weekend, I had 4 days, so I took my wife and two kids on the 140 mile trip to the lake home. We arrived late, like 10:30 pm. We put all our stuff away and put the kids to bed. My wife had a glass of wine and I had a beer, before retiring for the evening. Once in bed, I was almost asleep, when I heard the side door off the kitchen open and close, then heard footsteps walking across the kitchen and toward the family room. The floors were all linoleum. I could see thru the hallway, but despite what I heard, there was nothing I could see. The footsteps changed direction, walking back toward the door and again I heard the door open and close, but could see nothing. I was very creeped out. We never said anything to the kids, as we didn't want to scare them. That was the first encounter.

It would be about two months until we would go back to the lake again. On this trip, I was almost asleep again, but saw an apparition of a Native American Woman, who was missing some teeth. She was wearing a dress, but it was kind of transparent, light bluish, as was the rest of her, except her hair was clearly gray. She was standing next to my bed, smiling at me for a couple moments. She ran her hand down under my covers, continuing to smile, then just disappeared. The following evening, my wife experienced the same visitor, although I had not told her of my encounter, she told me she was frozen still and could not move, so therefore could not alert me to what she had seen. It was only after the ghost disspeared that she gasped for air, called my name, and told me what had just happened. I shared my experience. We were both pretty freaked out.

Anyway, fast forward to years later, after my Father had sold the lake house. We were in Spokane Wa., pretty much the whole family was togther, when one of my sisters brought up ghosts, and the fact she had seen one at the lake house on one of her visits. None of us had ever shared this before. As it turns out, everyone had seen this ghost, and that is why my two step sisters never wanted to go to the lake. They never told anyone because they felt people would just think them crazy.

There is an old Cemetary across the lake. One of my friends, who's mother is into the supernatural, says the Cemetery has everything to do with this and spirits cross quiet freely over water. :shocked:</end quote></div>

good story thanks for sharing.</end quote></div>

heh..at first I thought that was just sleep paralysis since I experience that all the time, until you said everyone saw "her." I donno the validity of everyone seeing the exact same ghost from your story, but I'll take your word for it.

I can actually hear and see things, but at the same time, I'm frozen. It's an eerie feeling. When I come to, everything is normal. no "ghost," no footsteps..nothing.
All my "ghostly" experiences are very similar to yours (when dealing with sleeping or almost sleeping), but for me, I know what I experienced was just in my head from Sleep Paralysis.

 

[OverVolt]

I really think ghosts are a fabrication your mind makes up. When you hear creaks, and groans of a house settling, etc, and attribute it to supernatural, it puts you in a mindset where the smallest things will scare the living **** out of you.

Really, footstep sounds, whoopee doo. If you ignore them and don't credit them to supernatural, its just background noise that you will filter out. It seems the people who see ghosts 'let them in' so to speak, at least thats what I interpret from ghost shows on TV.

They will say 'I don't beleive in ghosts but in the back of my mind I thought it was footsteps.' At first it starts small, then they get seriously freaked out. Then it gets worse and worse, which is just your perception going into over-drive, because the person thinks the house settling is some paranormal event. Before you know it, your a crazy kookie who can't sleep because of the slightest noise, and sleeps with the lights on so the evil spirits don't get you.

It's pretty much BS.

 

[Macattak1]

Greetings,

A majority of Americans claim a faith in a Christian God.
A slight majority of Americans believe in things like a 6th sense, voices, visitations, etc.

But I litterally have never run into any Christian personally, not on the net, that ever believes that this stuff would be from a dangerous source. It is always about how it is from God.

It is very odd and sad that Professing Christians would believe in these things as From God.

Tongues, ghosts, spirits, demons, etc. are all from Satan and not something to be played with. And many will not accept the above statement, but...believe in Tongues, ghosts, spirits, demons, etc. It is like saying I won't believe in Water. But I will beleive in dehydration, but not Water.

Peace and Blessings

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The fact that they're "ghost hunters" merely proves that they want to believe. Therefore every bit of distortion, every lens flare, every particle of light reflected on a shiny surface, every fog bank, every breeze, every EVERYTHING will be attributed to the supernatural. They're kooks.</end quote></div>

So the global warming scientists are kooks too since they start off with their belief before the actual proof? They are looking for a specific outcome also.

There are no "global warming scientists". There are climatologists, but if they're married to the idea of global warming as a man-made phenomenon, rather than just considering it as one theory among many and weighing them according to the evidence, they're aren't scientists.

As for the supernatural, I personally have never seen anything that couldn't be explained away. But I have friends...very scientifically minded friends...who have told me stories where there seems no other explanation. Until I see more evidence myself, I'll withhold judgment, but I won't discount the concept entirely.

 

[BirdDad]

I think that if I saw that child sitting on the floor then opened the door again and saw it stand up I would be getting out of that house and quick

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

This thread gives me the heebie jeebies!

I've had sleep paralysis like twice and it freaked the crap out of me, although I'm lucky i didn't hallucinate anything!