Do you consider this to be racism/hate speech

[pmv]

Quoting this for the laughs, I can't believe people actually think this way.

If this is how you truly feel, you are one racist fuck.

Its painful to see you provide evidence that history has messed with the heads of too many white people, to the point where they are unable to see reality or to think. Guess that explains Trump.

 

[Atreus21]

Quite false.

Pointing out racism is not racism. I'm not so fragile as a white guy that I perceive criticism of systemic problems as an attack on my skin color; it's a shame you're so hyper-sensitive.

Hyper-sensitive. If anyone dared substitute any other race for white in those headlines the undersea internet cables would melt down and boil the surrounding ocean.

Being racist in an attempt to combat racism is counterproductive. We're generally supposed to avoid prejudice, particularly when it comes to skin color.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The larger problem of white-on-black racism and your attempt to suggest that pointing out that racism is somehow racist. Farrakhan was a distraction by trying to shift the focus to black-on-white racism.

So, will you actually discuss those headlines instead of parroting what Daily Caller told you to think?

Are you saying black-on-white racism doesn’t exist? Like I said in a different thread y’all aren’t exposed to an area predominantly black and poor. It certainly exist. There’s a big disconnect between the academic standpoint y’all are talking about and the actual reality of the world. The Deep South. It’s certainly different than what I think you perceive.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Being racist in an attempt to combat racism is counterproductive. We're generally supposed to avoid prejudice, particularly when it comes to skin color.

Absolutely. It’s moving backwards. It seems so much progress has been made, we shouldn’t be grouping people into skin color anymore. It’s 2018 geeze

 

[Atreus21]

No.

Racism is racial prejudice BASED ON THE BELIEF OF INHERENT RACIAL SUPERIORITY.

So you don't think the headline "White men must be stopped" is alleging something inherently deficient in white people?

 

[Snarf Snarf]

There are folks on "both sides" who wish to halt progress. On the Right they talk in supremacist tones and of people having a place. On the Left they talk of privilege and reparations.

One side has a way bigger problem that the other with regards to racial relations, lets not even try to pretend there's any symmetry on this issue.

It has been 54 years since the Civil Rights movement. You missed a decade? It was before my time.

The civil rights movement did not end the practice of racial prejudice, it was just the first step in forcing integration against the will of the racists. Quite a few of those people are still alive, most of them are still racists.

Reminders to oppose supremacists, and racists, sure. But what else? Do we want to be reminded of our divisions?

No one views reminders of transgressions as divisive except for white people. Sorry, but to ask an oppressed population to forgive, forget, and move on is completely unrealistic. I would even go as far as to say its a pretty offensive view point to hold. Why is the onus of forgiveness on the oppressed? Why is it too much to ask for people to have their ancestors transgressions be spoken about openly and honestly, to teach lessons to future generations on how to not behave when in power?

 

[UglyCasanova]

So you don't think the headline "White men must be stopped" is alleging something inherently deficient in white people?

“Superiority” has turned into the out to justify this stuff. Nuts, it’s moving backwards. Superiority and inferiority are the exact same arguement. Saying something negative about white people is grouping people together based on skin color and suggesting they are inferior on whatever trate they are talking about. It’s racism. And playing the superiority card is a lame way to justify it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Some of it is, some not.

 

[Jaskalas]

One side has a way bigger problem that the other with regards to racial relations, lets not even try to pretend there's any symmetry on this issue.

When it come to acceptance of the "other", I'm afraid you lost perspective. Look, you counter your own idea by professing the following:

No one views reminders of transgressions as divisive except for white people. Sorry, but to ask an oppressed population to forgive, forget, and move on is completely unrealistic. I would even go as far as to say its a pretty offensive view point to hold. Why is the onus of forgiveness on the oppressed? Why is it too much to ask for people to have their ancestors transgressions be spoken about openly and honestly, to teach lessons to future generations on how to not behave when in power?

You are offended by the notion of our nation rising up together as one people. This response of yours appears to define yourself by an apparent hatred. By a need for vengeance. I am not surprised that someone would reject the idea of coming together to heal.

 

[crashtech]

Collective guilt is an interesting concept. I've always resisted the notion that one should be held accountable for the actions of others merely due to shared superficial characteristics like skin pigmentation, or that children should be held accountable for the crimes of their parents. But it could be that one irrationality deserves another.

 

[UglyCasanova]

But it could be that one irrationality deserves another.

Not the way towards a post racial nation.

 

[crashtech]

Not the way towards a post racial nation.

Who says? Maybe it's got to get a lot uglier before it's over. Don't pretend we're rational actors, especially collectively.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Who says? Maybe it's got to get a lot uglier before it's over. Don't pretend we're rational actors, especially collectively.

Common sense. If you want to live in a society where skin color isn’t a factor then do it. Stop making it a factor. We had a generation of kids grow up where skin color stopped mattering and guess what...they grew up way less racist then their parents. Now we have kids growing up in a society where skin color matters a lot. I wonder how that’s going to turn out.

I’d hazard to guess that the vast majority of people you think are "white nationalist" are just tired of being demonized because of their skin color. They don’t think whites are superior, they are just sick of being called inferior. Most just want a nation where color doesn’t matter, not some Nazi white takeover or anything. Sure you can find instances where they really are racist and think of whites as superior, but just because they are vocal doesn’t mean they represent whites in America. The vast majority just want race to stop being an issue, to not even be something thought of. Post racial.

If you don’t want skin color to matter then stop making it matter. As y’all say full stop.

 

[MrSquished]

Are you on crack?

We had a generation of kids grow up where skin color stopped mattering

 

[UglyCasanova]

No. Skin color wasn’t in your face all the time when I was growing up.

What’s your response to the rest of the post.

 

[umbrella39]

This WSJW shit is still going... When does the OP get to switch places with the black man so he can stop being so oppressed...

 

[UglyCasanova]

I'm not oppressed. I would like to go to a post racial society where skin color doesn’t matter at all. Non issue. It seems many of you don’t want that though for whatever reasons.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

You are offended by the notion of our nation rising up together as one people. This response of yours appears to define yourself by an apparent hatred. By a need for vengeance. I am not surprised that someone would reject the idea of coming together to heal.

I have no hatred, but the forgiveness will happen when POC aren't prosecuted more strictly than their white counterparts, or when we don't have to teach our kids how to de-escalate a police encounter in order to save their lives. There's a number of issues that need to be talked about, forgiveness is earned, and the institutions of this country have a long way to go before we decide to drop the conversation and move on. It's not vengeance or some other bullshit excuse you can spout off from your pulpit about coming together, it's actual justice, the thing that a lot of people on this board talk about all the time. We don't want thoughts and prayers, we want actual progress towards the exact same goal you're talking about, there are just steps in between that some people seem either too dense or too delusional to want to accept.

There is going to be friction, that is the nature of conflict, but to ask people to ignore the reality that is their daily experience in order to reach unity without any resolution to the problems they face is offensive. It implies that their daily experience is irrelevant to the bigger picture, or worst, that their experience is a figment of their imagination. I suggest you listen to some POC on what a day in their shoes is like, ask them how many times they experience a race related incident, the number is a lot higher than most people would guess. In some parts of the country it's terrifying how high the numbers can get. What most of us want is for our fellow American's to simply admit that yes, there is a problem, and start asking what can we do to find solutions to make our daily experiences the same.

 

[UglyCasanova]

POC aren't prosecuted more strictly than their white counterparts

That is a very legit problem. Blacks get longer sentences than whites even when taking into account prior convictions. They are policed harder, stopped more, and prosecuted to a greater degree than whites. That shit has to stop.

 

[Paratus]

Common sense. If you want to live in a society where skin color isn’t a factor then do it. Stop making it a factor. We had a generation of kids grow up where skin color stopped mattering and guess what...they grew up way less racist then their parents. Now we have kids growing up in a society where skin color matters a lot. I wonder how that’s going to turn out.

I’d hazard to guess that the vast majority of people you think are "white nationalist" are just tired of being demonized because of their skin color. They don’t think whites are superior, they are just sick of being called inferior. Most just want a nation where color doesn’t matter, not some Nazi white takeover or anything. Sure you can find instances where they really are racist and think of whites as superior, but just because they are vocal doesn’t mean they represent whites in America. The vast majority just want race to stop being an issue, to not even be something thought of. Post racial.

If you don’t want skin color to matter then stop making it matter. As y’all say full stop.

So which generation do you feel this was?

Because many POC of this generation are saying their are still problems.

 

[jackstar7]

I'm not oppressed. I would like to go to a post racial society where skin color doesn’t matter at all. Non issue. It seems many of you don’t want that though for whatever reasons.

Pay reparations.

 

[senseamp]

We have a lot of problems in the Caucasian American community, no need to sugar coat it.

 

[pmv]

I'm not oppressed. I would like to go to a post racial society where skin color doesn’t matter at all. Non issue. It seems many of you don’t want that though for whatever reasons.

Yeah, you just want to magically jump there,with no work or change required on your part. Your entire attitude is too disengenuous for words. You aren't fooling anyone.

Whiteness is a social and political concept, one that has been part of the organisation of US society since the beginning (and of a global system, since the days of colonialism at least). There are all sorts of attitudes one can take to that concept, to what it means, and how much importance to attach to it. One might not agree with all the detail of every one of those articles. But your attempt to claim that even talking about whiteness, or considering its effects and role in that society, turns you into a poor put-upon victim is just beyond laughable. It's _so_ transparent what you and your fellow 'poor oppressed white people' on this thread are up to.

The only reason why you would adopt that pose is because you don't want anything to change, you like the racial arrangements and history that those articles are attempting to talk about, so you don't want it even mentioned, yet alone for anything to change.

 

[UglyCasanova]

What bs. Whiteness is not a social or political construct, it’s a damned skin color. No one (except I guess Michael Jackson) in the history of the earth has been able to choose that, it depends on your parents. A skin color. Color of your skin. Insane people care about this so much.

Yeah I do want things to change. I don’t want anyone to use someone’s skin color as a factor for anything. There’s no reason.

 

[feralkid]

Yeah I do want things to change. I don’t want anyone to use someone’s skin color as a factor for anything. There’s no reason.

Unfortunately, that's not the message you have been sending.

Racial concern trolling is probably not going to help.