Do you consider yourself racist?

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Even every now and then? I think we may just be using different terms for the same thing.

Or rather... the same term for different things.

We are human, that makes us tribal by default. It takes intelligence to overcome our instinct to distrust that which is different from us. Is saying "we're all a little racist" simply an admission of our primitive nature, regardless of how well we treat others?

Give me a nice person and in due time I will call them kin, no matter what race they are from.
 

nehalem256

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That isn't the complete definition of racism:
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
The word "especially" means that isn't always the case.

Isn't that true by definition?

Are you trying to claim that believing that black people have darker skin than white people is racist?:hmm:
 

HumblePie

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That isn't the complete definition of racism:The word "especially" means that isn't always the case.

The noting of characteristic differences isn't the problem. It's the superiority/inferiority that is the true definition/quantifier for the definition of racism. Noting that black people have more skin pigment and white people have less skin pigment doesn't make a person racist for pointing out those differences in the two categories of "races" of humans. Trying to state one is better or worse than the other because of that difference is the definition of racism. Again very straightforward.
 

dank69

Lifer
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Isn't that true by definition?

Are you trying to claim that believing that black people have darker skin than white people is racist?:hmm:
I am not claiming anything in that post, you are arguing with the dictionary definition. Nevertheless, notice the word "all" in the definition.
 
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dank69

Lifer
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The noting of characteristic differences isn't the problem. It's the superiority/inferiority that is the true definition/quantifier for the definition of racism. Noting that black people have more skin pigment and white people have less skin pigment doesn't make a person racist for pointing out those differences in the two categories of "races" of humans. Trying to state one is better or worse than the other because of that difference is the definition of racism. Again very straightforward.
No, it is the belief that ALL people of a specific race share the same trait. That is the problem because it allows you to apply characteristics to people that do not warrant such application.
 

nehalem256

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No, it is the belief that ALL people of a specific race share the same trait. That is the problem because it allows you to apply characteristics to people that do not warrant such application.

So in other words saying 99.9% of race X is dumber than race Y isn't racist.^_^
 

Rakehellion

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Overly technical definition? Welcome to using the English language. Without overly technical definitions for words we might as well resort to using grunting sounds with pantomime to get what we want across.

And if you research a word in the dictionary, you'll likely find numerous definitions that don't fit in the pedant's compartment. You don't understand English as well as you think you do.
 

BoberFett

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Your poll is missing my categorization: I am not racist, but I am viewed as a racist because I do not approve of racists being racists.

A better category for people like you would be: I'm a racist, but deflect attention away from my racism by calling others racist, a game I like to call Speed Racist where the first person to claim racism wins.
 

dank69

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You are the one that put ALL in capitals letters bro.

So clearly you think it is rather important to the definition.
I think a rational mind can interpret the definition to mean exactly what I said in my original post: that you use statistics to form an opinion about someone you don't really know. If statistics were to show that 99.9% of race X were less intelligent than race Y then stating such would not be racism. Saying that 99.9% of race X are less intelligent than race Y when statistics show otherwise would be ignorant at best and racist at worst.
 
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I'm ok with being called a racist. And yes, the behavior of the group influences my opinion about them in some degree when I first meet them. Everybody does that every day about everything. You will treat a hot girl differently than some morbidly obese chick. That behavior is hard wired into everybody's brain. It's typically called intuitions and intuitions are based on patterns. If a negative pattern is constructed, is that the fault of the person who constructed the pattern, of based on the actions of those the patterns are built around?

In the case of a morbidly obese chick, you can assume she doesn't take care of herself, eats too much, is lazy, guess that her house is a mess, and has low self esteem. In how many cases is that true? Your brain creates that pattern.

There is nothing wrong with creating a pattern. Anybody who is honest with themselves does this. In fact, your brain does this at a subconscious level, and most people have to fight against it. All I know is if I drive through the inner city, I'm going to be more alert, and nervous compared to driving through a rural area. To call me a retard for being that way, fine, I'm ok with being a smart retard.

This. Statistics and patterns drive almost everything we do every single day wether you think about it or not.
 
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I wouldn't make any assumptions about a person's character based on their clothing. A person in a suit could be part of organized crime and a person in loose clothing could be going to college to become a scientist or anything at all. Either one of them could enjoy fucking toasters.

Statistics. Such a wonderful thing. You should read up on this brand new theory...
 

HumblePie

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No, it is the belief that ALL people of a specific race share the same trait. That is the problem because it allows you to apply characteristics to people that do not warrant such application.

What??? Ascribing categorical traits isn't being racist. It's the quantifier of better or worse based off traits that makes it racism.

All black people have more pigment in their skin than white people. I just ascribed a categorical trait, one that can be easily verified with scientific backing as has been, to two sets of human races. The ascribing of the categorical trait means nothing in itself. It is nothing more than creating categories. Even stating that those with more skin pigment are less likely to receive severe sunburns or those with less pigment in their skin are able to process more vitamin D through their skin isn't racism.

Now stating one or the other is "better" or "worse" as a race because of their categories attributes is racism. Thus the application of the superiority quantifier is all that matters for the definition of racism.
 
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You do as well. If you see a redneck, you assume they drive around in 4 wheelers, have a large truck, and drink beer, and fish a lot. What's wrong with that?

Nothings wrong with that. As it doesnt imply hatred or thinking you are better than them. All youve done is draw patterns that you see, which is human nature.
 
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Everyone's a little bit racist
But seriously everyone that claims they're not racist at all is full of shit. I was born and grew up in the south and my parents are white people who grew up in the Detroit area. So I definitely grew up with some racist influences and tendencies. I work very hard to not prejudge people or let race influence my behavior, but there's always thoughts that jump into my head first or assumptions that I have to overcome.

And truthfully probably anyone who voted "race realist" should have actually voted "more racist than most".

Nope.
 

dank69

Lifer
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Statistics. Such a wonderful thing. You should read up on this brand new theory...
Again, the key word is all, or the implication that statistical probabilities for a certain group apply to every member of that group individually.
 

dank69

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What??? Ascribing categorical traits isn't being racist. It's the quantifier of better or worse based off traits that makes it racism.

All black people have more pigment in their skin than white people. I just ascribed a categorical trait, one that can be easily verified with scientific backing as has been, to two sets of human races. The ascribing of the categorical trait means nothing in itself. It is nothing more than creating categories. Even stating that those with more skin pigment are less likely to receive severe sunburns or those with less pigment in their skin are able to process more vitamin D through their skin isn't racism.

Now stating one or the other is "better" or "worse" as a race because of their categories attributes is racism. Thus the application of the superiority quantifier is all that matters for the definition of racism.
What about an albino black person? Hopefully now you understand why you should be careful with broad generalizations.
 
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Again, the key word is all, or the implication that statistical probabilities for a certain group apply to every member of that group individually.

And you are also forgetting when you talk about racism that their has to be hatred or an inferior/superior component to that. Just seeing patterns does not draw those conclusions.
 
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