Do you find this political cartoon offensive?

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Venus and Serena Williams. Both women are extremely talented and successful tennis players. You could argue that they improved the sport and improved salaries of female players. Both are champions.....both have been disrespected in the same fashion as Lady O.

So they are targetting the manly females then?
 

thraashman

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Why is this even an argument. It's never been a secret that conservatives are sexist, racist, homophobic pieces of shit. Fuck they're proud of it. Why should it surprise anyone when they make comics that illustrate their shitty beliefs?

Melania Trump is proof of that. She cant even hold a candle to Michelle, she has trashy photos of herself on the internet. She's just some mail order side piece from Russia that got herself a rich husband......and yet, she is considered a better woman than Michelle Obama.
While I get the point you were trying to make about how the shitty racists known as conservatives are acting towards Michelle Obama, your post about Melania Trump is slut shaming and sexist and not really any better.
 

buckshot24

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Venus and Serena Williams. Both women are extremely talented and successful tennis players. You could argue that they improved the sport and improved salaries of female players. Both are champions.....both have been disrespected in the same fashion as Lady O.
Serena more than Venus I'd think. But is it because they are black that they are being compared to men? Serena is a big framed lady, lets be honest. Assuming it is because they are black is a leap too far.
 

Blue_Max

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What a douchey cartoon. Being unattractive = not a great woman? Go die in a fire.

I got the impression it was less to do with physical beauty and more her ferocious aggression and demanding that was... 'unladylike'. *shrug*

Progressives will argue about 'gender stereotypes' and other such BS.
 

SP33Demon

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You guys are so funny. It's simple biology that Melania is more attractive, if you deny that then you probably have some niche tastes in women. The only inaccurate thing about michelle in the cartoon is that she's angry. I've seen her happier more often than not. But does she look manly? Yeah, I think so, mainly because of her broad shoulders and jaw.
 

Exophase

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What a douchey cartoon. Being unattractive = not a great woman? Go die in a fire.

I wouldn't call Michelle Obama unattractive by any typical standards either, especially for her age. Yes Melania would probably be viewed as somewhat prettier (she's also younger) but nonetheless...

I wasn't aware of this going in but apparently there are fringe conspiracy theorists who actually do believe Michelle Obama is transgender and other ridiculous things.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...e-obama-man-who-murdered-joan-rivers-cover-it

So this cartoon may be more than just stating that she looks manly, which I don't think is particularly true either.
 

Spungo

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I wasn't aware of this going in but apparently there are fringe conspiracy theorists who actually do believe Michelle Obama is transgender and other ridiculous things.
I saw that video too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvuulZPbfBg
Elevated testosterone levels = it's a man, baby.
Since black people have higher testosterone levels, do conspiracy theorists think there's an epidemic of black transgender women? Do they also think a lot of Asian "men" walking around are actually transgender?

That would be one hell of an interesting way to rationalize homosexual thoughts.
"I'm not gay. I just like having sex with Asian men because I know they were born female."
"I'm not a lesbian. I'm just really attracted to Mrs. Obama's muscular arms and legs."
 

Ackmed

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So much disrespect for our President and his Wife. The attacks have been unrelenting. This woman is highly educated, successful, and classy as fuck.....and white folks still attack her. Amazing.

Im so tired of people saying its not because she's black. It fucking is.

Classy? Sometimes. Often times not. Such as in her recent speech when she was race baiting, again. Don't complain that something happens because she is black (which I don't agree with) when she is often times the one making it an issue.
 

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I saw that video too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvuulZPbfBg
Elevated testosterone levels = it's a man, baby.
Since black people have higher testosterone levels, do conspiracy theorists think there's an epidemic of black transgender women? Do they also think a lot of Asian "men" walking around are actually transgender?

That would be one hell of an interesting way to rationalize homosexual thoughts.
"I'm not gay. I just like having sex with Asian men because I know they were born female."
"I'm not a lesbian. I'm just really attracted to Mrs. Obama's muscular arms and legs."

What I find most baffling about the Michelle Obama transgender claim is that her daughters aren't her own because they look nothing like her. When Malia looks on awful lot like her in my eyes. Maybe they think Malia is also genetically male?

They must also think that pictures of her as a young child aren't really her, even though they also look exactly like you'd expect her to.

People like this really don't understand variation in traits. The video may as well have just said that women who are 5'11" like Michelle Obama can't be women, even though it's common knowledge that many women are at least that tall (like Malia who is 6'1" at age 17). Pretty much all of the other traits given in that video correlate with height. And I guess since my body height is nowhere close to 8 times my head height I can't possibly be male.
 

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What I find most baffling about the Michelle Obama transgender claim is that her daughters aren't her own because they look nothing like her. When Malia looks on awful lot like her in my eyes. Maybe they think Malia is also genetically male?

They must also think that pictures of her as a young child aren't really her, even though they also look exactly like you'd expect her to.

People like this really don't understand variation in traits. The video may as well have just said that women who are 5'11" like Michelle Obama can't be women, even though it's common knowledge that many women are at least that tall (like Malia who is 6'1" at age 17). Pretty much all of the other traits given in that video correlate with height. And I guess since my body height is nowhere close to 8 times my head height I can't possibly be male.
You made your first mistake when you questioned Alex Jones. Never question Alex Jones.
 

werepossum

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I don't think I'm known for being especially PC, but I DO think the cartoon is offensive, obviously not to me personally, but offensive in general. I agree with shehateme. This cartoon is deliberately playing off a stereotype of black women being masculine.

I would also add that during the Bush years, obviously there was a raging torrent of criticism of Bush coming from the left. Funny that I can't recall Laura Bush ever being included in that. Maybe someone somewhere said something once. I never saw it after many years on political discussion forums during the Bush years. Bringing the First Lady into this political poo slinging shows no class whatsoever.
Agreed, but political cartoons are seldom classy. Or funny.

So you're one of those idiots who respond with insults when confronted with facts that contradict your world views eh? Gotcha.

How the hell else are you ever going to have any "candid" pictures of women who existed before cameras you retard? Paint REALLY fast? Plus several of Michelle's pics were photo ops if you bothered to examine them. Keep grasping at straws buddy.
lol Excellent point.

I have mixed feelings about the points raised. These are people who are Obama's blood relatives, but not people he knows. How many of us seek out obscure relatives or feel obligated to fix their lives? And sure, the point about the Bushes is a valid point, but being President is an extremely stressful job. If the Obamas feel that maintaining their Christmas in Hawaii tradition is important to them, I doubt the Secret Service people hold it against them. Being absent on holidays is pretty much par for the course, and Christmas in Hawaii beats the hell out of Christmas in Chicago. Also, the Bush kids grew up with their father in politics; Camp David probably feels a lot more comfortable to them than to the urban Obamas.

What I find most baffling about the Michelle Obama transgender claim is that her daughters aren't her own because they look nothing like her. When Malia looks on awful lot like her in my eyes. Maybe they think Malia is also genetically male?

They must also think that pictures of her as a young child aren't really her, even though they also look exactly like you'd expect her to.

People like this really don't understand variation in traits. The video may as well have just said that women who are 5'11" like Michelle Obama can't be women, even though it's common knowledge that many women are at least that tall (like Malia who is 6'1" at age 17). Pretty much all of the other traits given in that video correlate with height. And I guess since my body height is nowhere close to 8 times my head height I can't possibly be male.
Well said, although if the Trump bride is a model, she is probably also tall. And while I don't find Michelle attractive, at least she isn't in danger of being simultaneously recalled by Dow Corning and DuPont.

I have a friend whose daughter is 6'-3" and she is gorgeous. Big girl. Very big girl. But gorgeous. Nothing wrong with a big girl, tall girl, big-boned girl, etc. At least they ARE girls and not constructs.
 

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Frankly, Melania is pretty damn ugly.
Her face has been stretched and distorted by so many face lifts, and her skinny totally unsexy body looks more like that of some drag queen. Or the brother of Justin Bieber.
 

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I would also add that during the Bush years, obviously there was a raging torrent of criticism of Bush coming from the left. Funny that I can't recall Laura Bush ever being included in that. Maybe someone somewhere said something once. I never saw it after many years on political discussion forums during the Bush years. Bringing the First Lady into this political poo slinging shows no class whatsoever.

Laura Bush probably was also criticized by many. It's more a matter of who notices, decides to do a write-up on a website, and who decides to spread it across the internet. This is the first time I've seen an image of Michelle Obama drawn like that. And it only came to my attention by a chain of people passing the message along. Any one of them decide it's not worthy to pass along and I never know about it. Like I suspect I probably never knew many of the criticisms hurled at Laura Bush.
 

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Laura Bush probably was also criticized by many. It's more a matter of who notices, decides to do a write-up on a website, and who decides to spread it across the internet. This is the first time I've seen an image of Michelle Obama drawn like that. And it only came to my attention by a chain of people passing the message along. Any one of them decide it's not worthy to pass along and I never know about it. Like I suspect I probably never knew many of the criticisms hurled at Laura Bush.

Fair enough, but I recall some of this right here on P&N. Spidey once called MO an "ape" while referring to a photo of her. And my recollection was that there were one or two others. I'm not saying it's common. I don't really have enough facts to suggest anything about how common it is.
 

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Fair enough, but I recall some of this right here on P&N. Spidey once called MO an "ape" while referring to a photo of her. And my recollection was that there were one or two others. I'm not saying it's common. I don't really have enough facts to suggest anything about how common it is.
Isn't that what you darwinists think people are?
 

buckshot24

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Frankly, Melania is pretty damn ugly.
Her face has been stretched and distorted by so many face lifts, and her skinny totally unsexy body looks more like that of some drag queen. Or the brother of Justin Bieber.
She looks like a drag queen? Interesting.
 
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Frankly, Melania is pretty damn ugly.
Her face has been stretched and distorted by so many face lifts, and her skinny totally unsexy body looks more like that of some drag queen. Or the brother of Justin Bieber.

So, you're pretty much like the guy who did the cartoon. Nice to know.
 

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This thread is fun.

I especially like the parts where people are disparaging Melania to support their view that disparaging Michelle is wrong -- or do I prefer the parts where people are disparaging Michelle to support their view that disparaging Malnia is wrong.

Nah. Favorite part is when you consider a particular idiom about pots and kettles it provides fertile ground for mentally poking fun at the racial undertones of this thread.
 

werepossum

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Laura Bush probably was also criticized by many. It's more a matter of who notices, decides to do a write-up on a website, and who decides to spread it across the internet. This is the first time I've seen an image of Michelle Obama drawn like that. And it only came to my attention by a chain of people passing the message along. Any one of them decide it's not worthy to pass along and I never know about it. Like I suspect I probably never knew many of the criticisms hurled at Laura Bush.
I can recall a lot of sniping at Laura Bush and hurtful but fact-based articles, but not geared toward making her look ugly or mannish.

Isn't that what you darwinists think people are?
Were, not are.

Funny thing is that Trump doesn't look beautiful. She looks like a plastic made up blow up doll.
Exactly. It's off-putting. Of course she looks better as a cartoon - she looks like a cartoon.

It's worth pointing out though that she apparently is quite accomplished in her own way. Speaking five languages fluently would certainly come in handy as First Lady, and I imagine she would be quite persuasive among those leaders who gravitate toward young trophy wives or mistresses. To a degree anyway; their major concerns would remain their nations' needs, as well they should. And I am sure there are some like you and I who find her looks disturbing too. Hard to be properly flattered by someone speaking your language if that person looks like a cartoon sex robot. (Although I have only seen the one picture so that may be grossly unfair.)
 
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