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No way. Bulk beef stemmed from somebody legitamately stupid. This is just a troll thread. I'll never know why anybody bothers responding to him directly.This is way better than bulk beef.
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Will someone here at least admit that there will be a point where an idling engine will NEVER reach operating temperature due to the outside temperature? If you do admit to this, how about you chime in with your thoughts on how cold it would have to be in order for this to happen.
No way. Bulk beef stemmed from somebody legitimately stupid. This is just a troll thread. I'll never know why anybody bothers responding to him directly.
Why would the thermostat open if the engine coolant doesn't reach the temperature in which the thermostat opens? In the case of the Volvo, it is between 180F and 190F, but if the engine coolant stays at 160F, I see no reason for it to open..Unless you're well below zero the thermostat is going to eventually open.
Oh yes, I'll readily admit that there is definitely a point at which an idling engine will not reach operating temperature. So far I've tested that theory down to -20F, and have failed, despite repeated attempts. My current projection is closer to 0 Kelvin.
Why would the thermostat open if the engine coolant doesn't reach the temperature in which the thermostat opens? In the case of the Volvo, it is between 180F and 190F, but if the engine coolant stays at 160F, I see no reason for it to open..
I think you people are just too scared to admit that I'm right, and don't want to actually pick apart what I've said and say to the extent how right I am (completely right vs. kinda right).
At this point we're just having fun at your expense. Mostly.
I know that you're kinda right. I don't have an OBDII monitor right now, but probably will within a month. Want me to monitor my truck's temperature under varying conditions to see what happens?
The only time that happened is when I was cruising on the freeway with the heat on full blast, set to fresh air. I could actually see the thermostat dive from 180F all the way to 160F before I intervened. Now in city driving, I'd routinely see the thermostat open and close with the heat on or off. However when I had the heat on, it DID lengthen the time it took to go from the temperature in which the thermostat closes and the temperature the thermostat opens. I also found that putting the heater on full blast before the car had warmed up would lengthen the time it took to warm up significantly.My point was that it will reach normal operating temperature and allow the thermostat to open (though how much it opens will vary depending on the amount of cooling required to keep the engine at its normal operating temp) unless the temperature is extremely cold, even with the heater running full blast.
If your volvo's temperature is dropping down to 160 when you're turning on the heat and remains that way something is wrong with your car. You're hardly in a cold climate and if it was doing that it would stay close to 100* in a seriously cold area.
Sure! I'm not scared nor worried about being wrong. I may present the attitude that what I say is infallible but if someone collects data points that prove to the contrary, I'm willing to accept them. Also, keep in mind that I never specified WHAT temperature that engines will "never warm up", I simply stated that there is a possibility of it never warming up at a certain temperature. I don't know what that temperature is for your vehicle or another's vehicle as vehicles do vary, but the fact that everyone got upset over me stating the obvious is what makes this whole thread so ridiculous.At this point we're just having fun at your expense. Mostly.
I know that you're kinda right. I don't have an OBDII monitor right now, but probably will within a month. Want me to monitor my truck's temperature under varying conditions to see what happens?
Sure! I'm not scared nor worried about being wrong. I may present the attitude that what I say is infallible but if someone collects data points that prove to the contrary, I'm willing to accept them. Also, keep in mind that I never specified WHAT temperature that engines will "never warm up", I simply stated that there is a possibility of it never warming up at a certain temperature. I don't know what that temperature is for your vehicle or another's vehicle as vehicles do vary, but the fact that everyone got upset over me stating the obvious is what makes this whole thread so ridiculous.
-40F isn't "so cold".. One poster who drove a truck specifically stated that he found his truck losing temperature while idling at a stop light. This means that his truck was warmed up (from driving), but when he was idling it, it actually lost temperature. I can't find his post but I believe it was somewhere on the gassavers.org forum or ecomodder forum.No, what is ridiculous is that the temperature at which a car will never warm up at is so cold that no one will ever experience it.
-40F isn't "so cold".. One poster who drove a truck specifically stated that he found his truck losing temperature while idling at a stop light. This means that his truck was warmed up (from driving), but when he was idling it, it actually lost temperature. I can't find his post but I believe it was somewhere on the gassavers.org forum or ecomodder forum.
-40F isn't "so cold".. One poster who drove a truck specifically stated that he found his truck losing temperature while idling at a stop light. This means that his truck was warmed up (from driving), but when he was idling it, it actually lost temperature. I can't find his post but I believe it was somewhere on the gassavers.org forum or ecomodder forum.
What kind of engine do you have that does that? You do realize that 0 Kelvin is quite cold, right? I know you're just being an ass by saying that but why can't you people admit that there is a temperature in which a car will be BELOW operating temperature (180F average for most vehicles) and you won't be frozen to death? There is a temperature in which the engine will never reach operating temperature despite the heater off and then there is a temperature in which the engine will never reach operating temperature with the heater on. My guess is, when you've got the heater on, that temperature will be much higher than with the heater off.
I think you people are just too scared to admit that I'm right, and don't want to actually pick apart what I've said and say to the extent how right I am (completely right vs. kinda right).
Since you don't have a tool that measures the actual temperature except the very inaccurate temperature gauge, I'm going to have to take what you say with a grain of salt. When you get your OBD-II reader (scan gauge?) and test this out, then we'll talk....... what's your point? I've driven plenty of vehicles that lose temperature while they're idling. They don't drop below "operating temperature", though, they just drop from their previously elevated temperature.
The only time that happened is when I was cruising on the freeway with the heat on full blast, set to fresh air. I could actually see the thermostat dive from 180F all the way to 160F before I intervened. Now in city driving, I'd routinely see the thermostat open and close with the heat on or off. However when I had the heat on, it DID lengthen the time it took to go from the temperature in which the thermostat closes and the temperature the thermostat opens. I also found that putting the heater on full blast before the car had warmed up would lengthen the time it took to warm up significantly.
You are right, I don't live in a very cold climate at all which you people seemed to have stressed the point over and over. However, if such a thing could happen to the car I was driving in a relatively mild climate that I live in, I didn't see why it couldn't happen to anybody else's car in much much colder climates.
Since you don't have a tool that measures the actual temperature except the very inaccurate temperature gauge, I'm going to have to take what you say with a grain of salt. When you get your OBD-II reader (scan gauge?) and test this out, then we'll talk...
Considering that it would only happen when it was 40-50F outside but not when it was warmer, I'd find that hard to believe. Car has no codes, drives fine, and the thermostat clearly works as evidenced by its opening and closing around the temperature range of 180F-190F. The radiator is probably no more than twice the size of the heater core so I find it quite plausible for this to happen.Again, if your volvo will drop to 160 and stay there (you need to wait for a bit until the thermostat will adjust) there is something wrong with your car.
Considering that it would only happen when it was 40-50F outside but not when it was warmer, I'd find that hard to believe. Car has no codes, drives fine, and the thermostat clearly works as evidenced by its opening and closing around the temperature range of 180F-190F. The radiator is probably no more than twice the size of the heater core so I find it quite plausible for this to happen.
I took the liberty of looking up some numbers. I think you mentioned your family owns an S60. A 2004 S60 has these radiator specs RADIATOR, 3-ROW -- 24.37 in. x 16.56 in. That's a 403 sq in radiator with 3 rows of tubes. Where exactly do they hide a 200 sq in heater core inside the dash?
While I couldn't find dimensions for the S60's heater core I did find the dimensions for a Chevy van. Typically larger vehicles have larger heater cores (more interior space to heat up) and its specs are 8-1/4 x 7-5/8". It may be a double or triple row (can't really be more than that, it's only 1 - 3/8" thick) but even if its a 3 row that's still only the same as the radiator for the volvo. That heater core for the big van is 15% of the size of radiator for your volvo sedan. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual heater core for that volvo was closer to 10% the size of the radiator.
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