Do you guys take your remote start with you car to car?

[Bignate603]

Tell you what... it's going to get really cold where I live tonight, around 26F which should be record setting in our area. I'll put my scan gauge in the car and drive around and I'll report back with what I found. You claim that I didn't give the car "enough time", well how about I do what I did before, except instead of intervening, I'll just wait and if it doesn't change in 10 minutes, I'm calling it how it is, that the thermostat is fine and it's just that the heater core is outputting too much heat. I already told you before that the thermostat is obviously fine because the car has never overheated nor even gave the slightest indication that it could overheat. This car has a 2.5L engine, which is a lot less than the gas guzzlers people on this forum drive.

Do what you want, but honestly I don't trust a thing that comes out of your mouth or anything mechanical that you've touched. Hell, I don't even want to be within 50 feet of any car you 'work' on.

 

[MrPickins]

Tell you what... it's going to get really cold where I live tonight, around 26F which should be record setting in our area. I'll put my scan gauge in the car and drive around and I'll report back with what I found. You claim that I didn't give the car "enough time", well how about I do what I did before, except instead of intervening, I'll just wait and if it doesn't change in 10 minutes, I'm calling it how it is, that the thermostat is fine and it's just that the heater core is outputting too much heat. I already told you before that the thermostat is obviously fine because the car has never overheated nor even gave the slightest indication that it could overheat. This car has a 2.5L engine, which is a lot less than the gas guzzlers people on this forum drive.

:biggrin:

Even in TX that isn't really cold...

 

[fleabag]

Do what you want, but honestly I don't trust a thing that comes out of your mouth or anything mechanical that you've touched. Hell, I don't even want to be within 50 feet of any car you 'work' on.

Well then you can go fuck yourself because obviously you're just a troll. My car works fine, I gave an example of a time when a vehicle loses its operating temperature due to something stupid that the driver does and then you just basically call me a liar. Well you know what? You and all the idiots that have attempted to refute what I've said in this thread are either a bunch of idiots or a bunch of religious fundamentalists (idiots). Your religion is sticking to what ever the fuck you do regardless of how stupid it is because your faith tells you to do so.

 

[Bignate603]

Well then you can go fuck yourself because obviously you're just a troll. My car works fine, I gave an example of a time when a vehicle loses its operating temperature due to something stupid that the driver does and then you just basically call me a liar. Well you know what? You and all the idiots that have attempted to contradict what I've said in this thread are either a bunch of idiots or a bunch of religious fundamentalists (idiots). Your religion is sticking to what ever the fuck you do regardless of how stupid it is.

Bwahahahaha... For some reason this sad little rant amuses me to no end.

 

[sonoma1993]

Well then you can go fuck yourself because obviously you're just a troll. My car works fine, I gave an example of a time when a vehicle loses its operating temperature due to something stupid that the driver does and then you just basically call me a liar. Well you know what? You and all the idiots that have attempted to refute what I've said in this thread are either a bunch of idiots or a bunch of religious fundamentalists (idiots). Your religion is sticking to what ever the fuck you do regardless of how stupid it is because your faith tells you to do so.

and i refuted your claim about a time when your car lost heat going down the highway with the heat running full blast. Your so full of shit

I was driving around town yesterday and today, running the heater on defrost full blast. My coolant temperature stayed right around 200F. It did not drop at all. It's been around 30F degrees here all week and tomorrow it suppose tobe 25F. I can guarantee you when I make my 90 mile round trip tomorrow on the highway with the heater on full blast. My engine coolant will stay right around 200F.

 

[fleabag]

and i refuted your claim about a time when your car lost heat going down the highway with the heat running full blast. Your so full of shit

I was driving around town yesterday and today, running the heater on defrost full blast. My coolant temperature stayed right around 200F. It did not drop at all. It's been around 30F degrees here all week and tomorrow it suppose tobe 25F. I can guarantee you when I make my 90 mile round trip tomorrow on the highway with the heater on full blast. My engine coolant will stay right around 200F.

So what is the gas guzzler of your choosing?

 

[LTC8K6]

All I can say is that I have tested 2 vehicles, and neither behaves the way fleabag thinks they do. One a big V8, and one a medium V6. They both warm up quickly while idling. They both warm up quickly while idling even with the heater on full blast. The coolant temp does not drop when the heater is turned on full blast after the coolant has warmed up.

If the car he was riding in did what he says, fine, I won't argue that point.

If one of my cars did that, I would consider it in need of a checkup.

 

[sonoma1993]

So what is the gas guzzler of your choosing?

Pretty sure in a different post I listed what car I had. Gas Guzzler, your calling my car a gas guzzler? unless you call a 2004 Pontiac Grand Am with 2.2L 4 Cylinder that gets around 30-33MPG a gas guzzler, you have some serious issues.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

So what is the gas guzzler of your choosing?

When I took my old 2.2l 4 banger cobalt to big bear a few years ago, it was 20 degrees F outside + windchill when i was going to head home for the day. I started it up and put all of my ski gear in the back. About 15 minutes later, the coolant was 200 degrees and stayed that way the entire drive down the mountain.

And?

 

[fleabag]

Pretty sure in a different post I listed what car I had. Gas Guzzler, your calling my car a gas guzzler? unless you call a 2004 Pontiac Grand Am with 2.2L 4 Cylinder that gets around 30-33MPG a gas guzzler, you have some serious issues.

I hate you and all the people who do this...

I'm willing to bet my bank account that your "30-33mpg" is on the highway....WHO CARES! 30mpg is not impressive at ALL for highway mileage and is actually quite terrible. Every time I talk to someone about their vehicle, they always state the very best mileage they can get which is only for a small fraction of the time they drive their vehicle. My cousin is like "ya my rav4 gets like 28mpg! yay!" and I'm like, "but that's only with all highway driving, right?" Well ya, but....hmm.. She probably actually averages 20mpg.. What you CAN get and what you actually get are two different things. If you were averaging 30mpg, I'd say you were doing pretty good but if you then told me that your commute is 90%+ highway because you thought it'd be a swell idea to live 100 miles away from your job, then I'd be obligated to place my head in the palm of my hand.

 

[fleabag]

When I took my old 2.2l 4 banger cobalt to big bear a few years ago, it was 20 degrees F outside + windchill when i was going to head home for the day. I started it up and put all of my ski gear in the back. About 15 minutes later, the coolant was 200 degrees and stayed that way the entire drive down the mountain.

And?

So, you idled your car for 15 minutes? What a waste of gas not to mention you just wore down your engine far more than you should have. It is a fact that the quicker the warm up time, the longer your car will last. There is a reason why highway vehicles even with a lot of miles are in better condition than city vehicles and that doesn't just include the number of engine rotations. (See the guy with the Volvo 1800 S with 2.5million miles, few maintenance items done all with the original engine and transmission)

 

[Bignate603]

So, you idled your car for 15 minutes? What a waste of gas not to mention you just wore down your engine far more than you should have. It is a fact that the quicker the warm up time, the longer your car will last. There is a reason why highway vehicles even with a lot of miles are in better condition than city vehicles and that doesn't just include the number of engine rotations. (See the guy with the Volvo 1800 S with 2.5million miles, few maintenance items done all with the original engine and transmission)

He was responding to your repeated claims that the car won't get up to operating temperature.

 

[fleabag]

He was responding to your repeated claims that the car won't get up to operating temperature.

I never said never, I said there was a possibility if it was cold enough. But I DID say that running the heater would extend the warm up time considerably in most circumstances.

 

[Capt Caveman]

so, you idled your car for 15 minutes? What a waste of gas not to mention you just wore down your engine far more than you should have. It is a fact that the quicker the warm up time, the longer your car will last. there is a reason why highway vehicles even with a lot of miles are in better condition than city vehicles and that doesn't just include the number of engine rotations. (see the guy with the volvo 1800 s with 2.5million miles, few maintenance items done all with the original engine and transmission)

 

[Bignate603]

So, you idled your car for 15 minutes? What a waste of gas not to mention you just wore down your engine far more than you should have. It is a fact that the quicker the warm up time, the longer your car will last. There is a reason why highway vehicles even with a lot of miles are in better condition than city vehicles and that doesn't just include the number of engine rotations. (See the guy with the Volvo 1800 S with 2.5million miles, few maintenance items done all with the original engine and transmission)

You mean this guy right here? He was only up to 2.4 million miles when he did the interview.

http://dt.soncomand.com/965tic/features/archive/two_million_miles/index.html

It's very very interesting that he says something about warming up your car when it's cold.

He's also a proponent of treating your car like a wife should treat a husband. Keep it warm and full.


"Is it a myth that you need to warm up your car or keep your tank full in the winter?" he asked. "Who cares? Don't gamble. On cold days, warm your car a few minutes to get its heart ticking. And, always try to keep the gas tank at least half full lest water, condensation, dirt and debris find their way in there. And remember, don't warm up your car and fill it up at the same time, okay?"

After 2.4 million miles it hasn't seemed to do his car any harm.

So what's this about warming up your car being bad for your engine?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I never said never, I said there was a possibility if it was cold enough.

You said:

You're not going to heat up your car by idling it. If you want to heat up your car, you actually have to drive it. In some areas (like Alaska), if it's actually cold enough to warrant using the remote start, then you'll NEVER get your vehicle up to operating temperature.

You're some special kind of asshat, aren't you?

 

[BUTCH1]

you're an idiot..

Hey, Einstein, the reason a thermostat remains open is this, THE CAR IS STILL RUNNING, THUS HEATING MORE WATER WITHIN THE BLOCK therefore the thermostat remains open!. Never has anyone, anywhere, been proven so wrong by so many people at one time as this thread. You are the patron saint of morons, a deity to the clueless..

 

[fleabag]

You mean this guy right here? He was only up to 2.4 million miles when he did the interview.

http://dt.soncomand.com/965tic/features/archive/two_million_miles/index.html

It's very very interesting that he says something about warming up your car when it's cold.



After 2.4 million miles it hasn't seemed to do his car any harm.

So what's this about warming up your car being bad for your engine?

For a guy who isn't too familiar with actually warming up a car because most of his time is spent driving on the road..I'm going to take what he says with a grain of salt... I mean while it's great that he has been able to keep his car running for as long as he has, what he does is kind of a no brainer. Now if this guy was a daily commuter with 500K miles on it, all city driving, with a lot of short little trips I'd believe him. All he knows is constant cruising and cruising is by far the least worst thing you can do for an engine.

You said:



You're some special kind of asshat, aren't you?

Well first you get the people in here who say "20F is NOT COLD! ZOMG STOOPID COMMIEFORNIANS!!! and then you get "nobody is going to be driving their car when it's that cold!".. WHICH IS IT!? DURRRRR You've got two different or maybe the same person (troll) claiming two things that are contradictory to each other. How can you claim that 20F is not cold but then get angry at me when I mention that there are temperatures in which idling will never allow the engine to reach operating temperature.

 

[fleabag]

Hey, Einstein, the reason a thermostat remains open is this, THE CAR IS STILL RUNNING, THUS HEATING MORE WATER WITHIN THE BLOCK therefore the thermostat remains open!. Never has anyone, anywhere, been proven so wrong by so many people at one time as this thread. You are the patron saint of morons, a deity to the clueless..

You're a dumbass.. See "Air cooled engine"...

Edit: Here is something for you to chew on, why is it a car with a stuck open thermostat has so many problems? I mean after all, once the car is warmed up, THE THERMOSTAT WILL ALWAYS BE OPEN, RIGHT? You haven't a god damned clue as to what you're talking about. Try this for an experiment, pour a gallon of boiling water into the top of a dry radiator and tell me what comes out on the other side... Let me put it to you this way, if I had a stuck open thermostat, the car would certainly take more than 2 minutes to get to operating temperature (this is while driving).

 

[DivideBYZero]

For a guy who isn't too familiar with actually warming up a car because most of his time is spent driving on the road..I'm going to take what he says with a grain of salt... I mean while it's great that he has been able to keep his car running for as long as he has, what he does is kind of a no brainer. Now if this guy was a daily commuter with 500K miles on it, all city driving, with a lot of short little trips I'd believe him. All he knows is constant cruising and cruising is by far the least worst thing you can do for an engine.

Holy crap, stop posting.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

So, you idled your car for 15 minutes? What a waste of gas not to mention you just wore down your engine far more than you should have. It is a fact that the quicker the warm up time, the longer your car will last. There is a reason why highway vehicles even with a lot of miles are in better condition than city vehicles and that doesn't just include the number of engine rotations. (See the guy with the Volvo 1800 S with 2.5million miles, few maintenance items done all with the original engine and transmission)

Dude everyone does it, its not like I was the only car in the lot that did it.

 

[syrillus]

I love this thread. Better than any in P&N.

That said, it boils down to this: Fleabag lives in an area that rarely gets below freezing, let alone below 0F. He can argue until he's blue in the face (and has judging from some of his responses), but it won't change the fact that people don't want to jump into a cold car, regardless of the "damage" it's causing or the gas that's "wasted." When it's -20F outside, you can bet your ass people are going to warm their cars up, because it's convenient. Everybody knows this.

That said, continue on your tirade, Fleabag. It has given hundreds of people some much needed laughs in these troubled times. At least you can console yourself with that while you wait for your dad to warm up the car, in Lake Tahoe, in winter.

 

[darkswordsman17]

For a guy who isn't too familiar with actually warming up a car because most of his time is spent driving on the road..I'm going to take what he says with a grain of salt... I mean while it's great that he has been able to keep his car running for as long as he has, what he does is kind of a no brainer. Now if this guy was a daily commuter with 500K miles on it, all city driving, with a lot of short little trips I'd believe him. All he knows is constant cruising and cruising is by far the least worst thing you can do for an engine.


You've got two different or maybe the same person (troll) claiming two things that are contradictory to each other. How can you claim that 20F is not cold but then get angry at me when I mention that there are temperatures in which idling will never allow the engine to reach operating temperature.

You're the one that said the only way to warm up a car is to drive it, so then why are you discounting someone for that, saying they have no experience? Yeah, you have so much experience. Remember, since your dad, warmed up that truck, at Lake Tahoe, in winter.

You've contradicted yourself about a billion times in this thread.

And least worst? Ok, I think I've figured it out. Fleabag said he wasn't exactly in high school, but he's only 16 or 17. He's homeschooled. That would explain why he puts so much credit with his dad, about warming up that truck at Lake Tahoe, in winter.

You're a dumbass.. You haven't a god damned clue as to what you're talking about.

Of course you do, since your dad warmed up that truck at Lake Tahoe, in winter.

I never said never, I said there was a possibility if it was cold enough. But I DID say that running the heater would extend the warm up time considerably in most circumstances.

Yes you did, in this exact thread. Why do you think people were calling you a moron when you kept saying that? Of course, now for some reason you don't believe that. I wonder why that is? Surely, your experience, with your dad warming up a truck at Lake Tahoe, in winter, was more than enough to solidify your claims.

...then you'll NEVER get your vehicle up to operating temperature.

You know, you kept claiming that 40F was enough to prevent an idling vehicle to warm up. Yet, somehow your dad managed to warm up a truck at Lake Tahoe in winter.

...then their engines will never fully warm up.

Again, just how did your dad manage to warm up that truck at Lake Tahoe, in winter?

You're right, though, you never said that. Ok, I just now realized it, but you admit you said that on this page (see bold/italicized/underlined above).

Can we get your dad to join up? I really feel it best that we consult him about warming up vehicles. You know, since he did that with a truck. You might recall it was at Lake Tahoe, in winter.

 

[rudeguy]

It was damn cold again this morning. Somehow my car was nice and warm again before I left the driveway.

They are calling for blizzard conditions tomorrow, if I'm not too lazy ill post a video of my car performing this magic.

 

[Bignate603]

For a guy who isn't too familiar with actually warming up a car because most of his time is spent driving on the road..I'm going to take what he says with a grain of salt... I mean while it's great that he has been able to keep his car running for as long as he has, what he does is kind of a no brainer. Now if this guy was a daily commuter with 500K miles on it, all city driving, with a lot of short little trips I'd believe him. All he knows is constant cruising and cruising is by far the least worst thing you can do for an engine.

In the article he says his daily commute is 125 miles. If that's the length of his average trip (probably not true when you throw in all the short trips to run errands and go to the store but we'll give him the benefit of the doubt) he'll have done 20,000 starts over the life of the car. That's the same number of starts as someone with a 200,000 mile car having done 10 mile trips over the life of the car.

You brought up this guy as an example of someone that has managed to take care of his car well enough to keep it running for quite some time. When he doesn't agree with you your opinion is that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Somehow he went from being an example to being an idiot just because his years of experience don't match your theory based on your thoughts and limited experience.

I honestly think that you will refute any proof or expert because it doesn't match your ideas, no matter what or who it is. If that's true you're in for a very sad, lonely, and unsuccessful life.