Do You Have The Right to Answer Your Door Armed?

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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Eh? He was innocent, by virtue of this it was not a 'good shoot'. By this logic cops should fire upon anyone they encounter, everyone could be a threat.
Should have added a /s. However cops and most bluelives matters ammosexuals absolutely feel that a cop that shoots a guy with a gun is always a good shoot.

It’s just that in this case they also see themselves as the armed homeowner defending their castles from bad guys when someone knocks in the door at 11:30PM.

So hopefully they enjoy the cognitive dissonance.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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Well, all I can say about answering a knock on my door is I have PoE cams with talk feature and motion alarm around my property so I'll know who's on the other side of my doors, can communicate with them over my cell phone from anywhere in my home before I decide to go for the door knob. This after my beloved truck got stolen in front of my home even with a pretty good security system installed.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Never fails but there's a small govt conservative or 2 willing to apologize for the govt gunning down a law abiding citizen in their own home.


Allow me this opportunity to make a small mention about this thing called "small government" and how the Republicans are always harping on their (former pre-Trump) ideological stance for a "small gov't". It seems their constant clarion call for this form of gov't is actually their call for a very weakened one, a gov't that they can more easily corrupt into the total control of the plutocrat class of the nation. Nuff said, and my apologies for verring off topic.
 

nickqt

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Allow me this opportunity to make a small mention about this thing called "small government" and how the Republicans are always harping on their (former pre-Trump) ideological stance for a "small gov't". It seems their constant clarion call for this form of gov't is actually their call for a very weakened one, a gov't that they can more easily corrupt into the total control of the plutocrat class of the nation. Nuff said, and my apologies for verring off topic.
For conservatives, "small government" means one that is operated by a few authoritarians on behalf of oligarchs who are currently funding the Republican Party. It has nothing to do with individual freedoms and everything to do with removing a government OF the people.

Small-d democratic small-r republican government is huge. Think 155,000,000+ American voters who vote on politicians, laws, regulations, etc.

Conservatives want oligarchs who already own and operate the country for themselves to also run the government. And they want those oligarchs to become Aristocrats - oligarchs always want to be the founding member of an Aristocracy. And throughout human history, it's been the default state of human societies for thousands of years.

Conservatism attempts to enact fascism, which is a means to an end to Aristocracy, or as it will be in modern times, neo-feudalism.

The rentier class is salivating at the prospect of another great depression. They'll still be immensely rich, will be able to buy up real estate and businesses for firesale prices, and can maneuver and manipulate the dumbest Americans into joining their death squads to kill their natural enemies, non-right-wing authoritarians.
 

MtnMan

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It seems like a good shoot by the police. They didn’t know they were at the wrong address and the homeowner was armed so better safe than sorry.
Excuse me, but that is fucking bullshit. It's one thing if UPS delivers a package to the wrong address, but for cops to bang on the wrong fucking door? That is incompetence.
 

MtnMan

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So when does that guy’s gun start making him safer?
Actually, fairly often, those situations just don't make the news. There are many instances where homeowners shoot people breaking in, but they only get a two sentence article on the back page.
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I remember reading stats that households with guns have a higher percentage chance of being killed with guns.

Well you know what would have made it so this man wasn't shot and killed with a gun?

If there were no guns in his house.
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Actually, fairly often, those situations just don't make the news. There are many instances where homeowners shoot people breaking in, but they only get a two sentence article on the back page.
So by your own definition, they ARE making the news then...

That is some sound logic.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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It seems like a good shoot by the police. They didn’t know they were at the wrong address and the homeowner was armed so better safe than sorry.
I don't see how you can say this. A citizen answers his door and is shoot down by the police. He committed no crime, he was in his own home. That's not a "good shoot" by any definition. It was at best manslaughter and criminal negligence.

"Better safe than sorry" isn't a legal president, and God save us should ever become one.
 
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fskimospy

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I remember reading stats that households with guns have a higher percentage chance of being killed with guns.

Well you know what would have made it so this man wasn't shot and killed with a gun?

If there were no guns in his house.
Not just more likely to be killed by a gun. More likely to die from homicide by all causes.

Want to die? Buy a gun for ‘protection’.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Allow me this opportunity to make a small mention about this thing called "small government" and how the Republicans are always harping on their (former pre-Trump) ideological stance for a "small gov't". It seems their constant clarion call for this form of gov't is actually their call for a very weakened one, a gov't that they can more easily corrupt into the total control of the plutocrat class of the nation. Nuff said, and my apologies for verring off topic.
Small Democracy, Big fascism.
 
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eelw

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"Better safe than sorry" isn't a legal president, and God save us should ever become one.
Doh. Better hope no Repugnican congress critters see this. They’ll cling on to this in an instant.
 

Mai72

Lifer
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It depends on cimcumstance and common sense.

You don't want to live in a world of paranoia. That every door knock means a possible home invasion. For example, if I hear a knock on the door at 3pm, I'm going to look outside. This is what peek holes, and windows are used for. And, if I wanted exxtra protection I'd get cameras. They aren't that expensive today. But, if I heard a crash or even a knock on the door at 3am I'd be worried. It still doesn't mean someone wants to do harn thouigh. Seriously, in the end common sense must prevail. To come armed whenever someone knocks on your door means that you are IMO living in paranoia.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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I remember reading stats that households with guns have a higher percentage chance of being killed with guns.

Well you know what would have made it so this man wasn't shot and killed with a gun?

If there were no guns in his house.
Eh, good chance if he had answered the door with a tv remote in his hand he would have been shot. Remember, he was shot with a gun from outside his home.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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I don't see how you can say this. A citizen answers his door and is shoot down by the police. He committed no crime, he was in his own home. That's not a "good shoot" by any definition. It was at best manslaughter and criminal negligence.

"Better safe than sorry" isn't a legal president, and God save us should ever become one.
Exactly. But isn’t holding police accountable liberal, or woke policy? This isn’t something conservative politicians will address. So just like school shootings the occasional dead homeowner is just the cost of the 2nd amendment and the right of the police to qualified immunity.
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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This is the way. Guns for teachers, guns for grocery store workers, guns for stewards and stewardesses, guns for sanitation workers, guns for all investment bankers, etc..

This is the American dream.
. . . with underage gun deaths 20x higher than top ten nations combined . . .

This is surely the most rational, common-sense, scientific way of thinking -- "more guns, fewer gun fatalities". Uhhhh--HUhhh! The number of guns in the USA is greater than the entire population, and to see it as a statistical correlation, common sense tells you that it is opposite . . .

Someone said that the 2nd Amendment is THE most important right guaranteed by the Constitution. That's a manifestation of "single-issue" thinking. I should have the right to walk the streets safely.

There was a time maybe 10 years ago that I contemplated acquiring an AR-15. Today, I'm of the opinion that federal, state and local governments should confiscate all those AR-15's and F*** your G**D**n gun rights! F*** 'em!

I HAVE A RIGHT TO A "WELL-REGULATED MILITIA". The Proud Boys, Oath-Keepers and many other groups aren't "well-regulated militias". Nor are the psycho-lone-nut child killers. You want to "believe" in the Constitution? Then ALL of those words have meaning, and it is obvious that the Founders never foresaw so much as a Civil War Gatling gun in their vision.

So screw your gun-rights, and I think the anti-gun people should raid a federal armory, steal the guns, and take your gun-rights away -- to the level of gun rights in the now defunct USSR: you could have a shot-gun and a hunting rifle in the old Soviet Union; you could carry your guns there on local public transportation.

Screw your "gun-rights" to weapons of war!
 
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