Do you own a gun?

[glenn1]

<< Yeah. How ridiculous I am to fear irrational, inebriated, and gun toting strangers in close quarters.
What the hell could I be thinking? >>



That doesn't speak well for the company you keep, if one of your main concerns in life is getting shot by one of them.

 

[jbod]

<< Do you think full autos should be just as easy to get as handguns and if not why not? >>



No, because Law Enforcement needs to have the upper hand in criminal situations. If criminals owned automatic weapons, and use them, (they do occasionally, but they are hard to get and very expensive) it would be very dangerous for the cops. So they decided when crimes started happening with auto's that we better outlaw them before all hell breaks loose. Which is fine with me.

 

[pyonir]

<<You mean that you think that everyone else is an immature unstable gun nut, *except* federal law enforcement? If that's the case I hope to God you don't get hired.>>
Duuuuuudddeee, no. that is not what i meant to come across as. i think anyone that owns a guy legally is fine with me. i could care less. i was responding to that one post. not making a generalization about everyone that owns a gun. my dad has one, tons of my family members have one. just settle down and don't assume!

 

[aiex]

Well, in the USA our airports dont have soldiers armed with SMGs every 15 feet. And we can park our cars in the street without the likey chance of getting it stolen.

1. Yes in every airport you will see 2 armed police officers with SMG's, but thats to stop the people that insist on carrying guns into our country.
2. If you get beond the airport you are very very unlikely ever to see another armed officer (unless you try and fire one of your guns that you have smuggled illigally in that is)
3. My parents cars are outside, let me take another look, no their still there
4. When a policeman stops a car in the UK he doesn't have to pull out a gun for fear of being shot, and neither does the person in the car need to carry a gun for fear of being shot
5. If sombody in the UK pointed i gun at me i would a) probably try and wrestle it off him or b) Give him and evil and tell him not to be a stupid pr!ck, if i did either i doubt if i would get shot, as even most criminals in the UK hate to use guns as it means there will be a hell of a lot of ppl after them
6. I live in a garison town and although there are a hell of a lot of fights between bouncers and para's (not atm as they are in afganistarn), but there has never been an incidence of sombody being killed, you know why? Because nobody carries guns into clubs


just my 2pence

Alex

 

[Maetryx]

There are many differences between countries, not just gun ownership. If Canada is supposed to prove that gun ownership causes crime, then what of Switzerland where nearly every household has an assault rifle in the closet?

edit: I see that AmusedOne got to this before I did.

 

[yllus]

No, but I will when I live alone but maybe get rid of it when children spring forth. The pragmatic view that your first line of defence at home is you is a good one, IMO.

sully <-- thinks he knows exactly why this thread was posted.

 

[Jen]

i wish that i did............as i have a good need for it right now



Jen

 

[bjc112]

yes, they were givin to me from my pap mainly, and me and my dad have collected a few...

i now own 14

4 Rifles (308, 30/06, 35 rem. 30/30)
3 .22
3 12 guages shotguns
1 M-16
1 muzzle loader
1 over under

 

[bjc112]

<< Nope, and never seen a real gun either (excluding the ones on cops).

Aelus >>



How old are you?

 

[Maetryx]

BTW, I triple-dog dare the gun banners to read a pro-freedom book, like Guns Crimes and Freedom by Wayne LaPierre or More Guns Less Crime by John Lott or The Samurai, the Mountie & the Cowboy by David Kopel

 

[Priit]

I don't have a gun and I don't want any. My dad has an a**load of all kind of firearms but IMO guns are somewhat uninteresting and useless...

 

[Zenmervolt]

<<Do you think full autos should be just as easy to get as handguns and if not why not?>>

As a matter of fact, yes. Guns in general should be harder to get (I suggest a program of licensing persons to ensure competance, but individual weapons should not be licensed, because the guns themselves should not be tracked, as this has historically lead only to confiscation). Fully automatic weapons should have a more stringent training requirement (think CDL as opposed to a typical driver's license), but they should be available to the general public. If we were to establish a set of minimum qualifications for gun ownership without tracking the guns themselves I think that we would come closer to the ideal of a "well-regulated militia". However, we must not allow the guns themselves to be tracked because this has always lead to confiscation in the past.

ZV

 

[Lalakai]

it's required for my position.

 

[CirekL]

No, I own two.

 

[BoberFett]

Yep, a couple of handguns and I haven't killed anybody. People like Carbo might make my list though.

 

[Zenmervolt]

<<My name is Inigo Montoya.
You killed my father.
Prepare to die. >>

Great sig. Though, given this thread, I should point out to Carbo that the weapon in question is a sword. May want to ban those too.

ZV

 

[Homer73]

One, .22 rifle that belonged to my granddad. I dont own ammo for it though.

 

[TallBill]

no, but i wouldnt mind owning one some day

 

[Mookow]

<< Why yes, I own several guns: SKS Russian made 7.62 X 39 (exquisitely crafted), .380 pea shooter, 20 Ga. and 12 Ga. shotties (winchester and Mossberg respectively), .30-06 Winchester Model 70.

And those auto's someone referred to would be SEMI-AUTOS. They don't make automatic pistols! Except if you consider the UZI a pistol. >>



Funny, THIS isnt an uzi, but its firing full auto. Its a Glock 18. I think beretta also makes a automatic pistol (its limited to 3 round bursts by design, but, the point is, it is not a semi auto). Anyway, automatic pistols picked up the name when there were only revolvers and the new, "automatic" pistols. Conventional ones only fire SEMI-automatic, but they are still classed as "automatic" pistols. I know, I know, it pisses me off too, but thats how it is.

Oh, I too am an "owner"... and jealous of your M-70, jbod.

PS, Viper GTS, if you want to get a pistol, get one in a better caliber than 9mm. I'd recommend 40 S&W, 45 ACP, or 10mm. A 9mm just lacks the power of the previous rounds. Yes, you can get big magazines for a 9mm, but they have to be pre-ban to have a (legal) capacity over 10 rounds, and that makes them more expensive. Also, the size of your magazine doesnt matter if the first one hits somewhere vital with enough power to do some damage. In regards to Glocks, I've fired the Glock 23 (40 S&W), Glock 30 (45 ACP), and the Glock 17 (I think, it was a 9mm in any event). I personally like a 45, my uncle has a Colt 1911 (yes, that actually a 1911, not a 1911A) made in 1913 or 1914 (I always mix that up). Anyway, it still works pretty well for a gun that is almost 90 years old. Furthermore, if you have to defend yourself, the 45 ACP was designed to knock down a charging man on drugs. He "might" get back up, but if you put someone on the ground, they are easier to deal with.

 

[Maetryx]

<<

<< But if that same person wishes to deprive other Americans of their firearms, I think they should be executed.

>>

Now there's a rational and reasonable person who obviously should own as many guns of any type that he chooses. I would trust this person implicitly - wouldn't you?
SHEESSSHH
Another great argument that supports gun control!
Neil >>



I should have written "But if that same person acts to deprive. other Americans of their firearms, I think they should be executed." Freedom is not free. The gun banners suffer from a severe form of short sightedness. Sure, if we melted every privately held firearm today, their could well be less crime tomorrow. Personally, I doubt it. But let's say the crime stays about the same, only now fewer people are killed during the commission of crimes. Fine.

But that is *not* the point of bearing arms. Crime prevention is not the cause of the second amendment. Nor is hunting, or shooting hobbyists. The right to bear arms is the freedom that guarantees the other freedoms. It is the right to self government (selecting our own leaders). Freedom is an illusion to those without the means to maintain it. Are we free if ruled by an armed government, even one of our own choosing, if we allow that government to eliminate private firearms?

And it could be that our generation would be safer without firearms, but what of the next? When will the next dictator come to power? You think it can't happen here? Has there not been enough lessons in the 20th century? Do we have to learn all over again this century?

 

[wQuay]

<< this argument is clearly absurd. what chance does an armed citizen have against military weapons? >>



The point is to make a statement; the idea is that fighting to the death for a good cause is better than a life a humiliation and slavery. If our ancestors had seriously considered their "chances" and acted accordingly, America would still be a British colony.



<< Do you think full autos should be just as easy to get as handguns and if not why not? >>



Yes.

 

[jbod]

Mookow

I think I'm going to go out with my M-70, shoot some crow and eat it.

That is one impressive little machine! I did not know they were made legally, my bad.

 

[BoberFett]

Excellent post Maetryx!

 

[BoberFett]

I'm always amazed that no matter how well thought out and eloquent the arguments are that are made by the pro-gun crowd, anti-gun people are usually satisfied to answer with something like "Guns are bad and stuff, you gun toting redneck!"

 

[MooseKnuckle]

<<you can't compare them to some joe who went to a store and waited 72 hours for his handgun in the US>>

Skoorb,
I own a handgun and I could only wish it took 72 hours to acquire. Try 3 mos. to get the first and atleast 7-10 days to receive any additional ones. You're just a typical anti-gunner spouting at the mouth, research the facts before you post. By your sig, I assume you're Canadian, can you legally own a handgun? If not, maybe you're just jealous because I can own as many as I damn well please.

BTW, I seldom carry but I do shoot alot at the local range. Also, there was a homicide two nights ago on my block, so it might just come in handy for self defense.