Do you preorder?

[cmdrdredd]

Project CARS turned out pretty well, however less than a month after release they mention Project CARS 2, which is giving us a hint that they're probably going to put Project CARS on the backburner, not such a great idea to do with a crowd funded game.

Project Cars still has loads of issues on consoles from what I hear. The PC game is supposed to be pretty solid though.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Oh absolutely there are major issues with Kickstarter as well. Like Shenmue 3. I haven't, and seriously doubt I will crowdfund any game. At least there might be some perks there though, and in some instances maybe help make something that wouldn't otherwise get made.

Pre-orders though are largely for the publisher and retailer. And there's no reason for me to try to help either one unless I know for sure I want to buy a product they're selling. When so many of the former keep rushing out games with serious issues, and the abundance of games getting downgraded over their development, I'm definitely going to wait and see if the final game is worth my money.

I do. For the bonuses that pre-ordering gets you. Often as well there's a day one edition of a game or something. Many times I've wanted a collectors edition, if you don't pre-order early you'll miss out on the collectors edition stuff.

People complaining about games releasing broken, I don't get it. Just cancel your pre-order if the game isn't that good. It doesn't count as a sale if you just have a pre-order.



If a game like GTA5 didn't do any pre-orders and just advertised the game it would probably still sell the same number.

Pre-orders are for the retailer. They get you in the store not once, but twice. First you go to do the pre-order and they can try to sell you other stuff and get impulse buys. Then again when you come back to pick up the game they can try to sell you more stuff. The pre-order bonuses are setup between the retailer and the publisher/developer. BestBuy, Walmart, Gamestop etc all go to the publisher and ask for something they can use to entice customers to pre-order the game.

Why pre-order if you're going to wait to see what state the game releases in? The whole point of pre-ordering is to get your copy ASAP.

The other thing is that, some places you might not be able to cancel a pre-order once the game releases either (until recently not sure you could on Steam for instance, but finally there's some recourse for people who get screwed by the state that too many games are being released in).

If you enjoy that stuff that's fine, but personally I don't and I've felt most of that stuff seems to only betting worse and worse and more and more not worth it. Plus I absolutely hate when they split up the pre-order bonuses so if you buy it from a certain place you get a different perk.

Project Cars still has loads of issues on consoles from what I hear. The PC game is supposed to be pretty solid though.

No the PC version still has plenty of issues (AMD users especially). Their announcement of a sequel already is a horrible sign. I won't be buying the original and definitely won't be helping fund them make a sequel with how they've handled things.

Really wish Microsoft would port Forza to PC. While they're not perfect either (content issues with Forza 5), I have a lot more faith in Turn 10.

 

[Lil Frier]

Why pre-order if you're going to wait to see what state the game releases in? The whole point of pre-ordering is to get your copy ASAP.

Nope, I pre-order from Best Buy because if you have a My Best Buy account, many of the major titles (not from Nintendo) come with a $10 rewards certificate. So, 15 days after you pick up your pre-order, you'll have $10 off your next game. Given GCU's discounts, I'm then buying a game for $52 (after tax), and if it's finished quickly, it'll trade in for $44, then I'll get $10 in rewards towards my next game. So, I'm making $2 on games when I pre-order. Such was the case for Sunset Overdrive, Advanced Warfare, The Master Chief Collection, Dying Light, and maybe another game or two.

Really wish Microsoft would port Forza to PC. While they're not perfect either (content issues with Forza 5), I have a lot more faith in Turn 10.

On the plus side, the issue of Forza 5 is fixed with Forza 6, as the content is upped to 450 cars and 27 tracks (from 200 and 17). Basically, Forza 6's announcement was Turn 10's statement that Microsoft screwed them into releasing half of a game because the Xbox One needed it at launch, and they were still working with new tools and didn't have time to finish the game. So, while CARS is technically broken, Forza wasn't, so I'm not concerned this time.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Oh absolutely there are major issues with Kickstarter as well. Like Shenmue 3. I haven't, and seriously doubt I will crowdfund any game. At least there might be some perks there though, and in some instances maybe help make something that wouldn't otherwise get made.

What issues with Shenmue 3? The game is 100% kickstarter funded because Yu Suzuki is unwilling to give any creative control to a publisher. He is super passionate about Shenmue and the world he created. He did an interview in Famitsu and said that the only money he has for the game is from Kickstarter and Sony is not backing him in a financial way. He's getting technical assistance from Sony and nothing more. Even Shuhei Yoshida said they are partnering for good PR and not because they are financial backers. Further Mr. Suzuki has said that he was approached by some western publishers with interest in buying the rights to the game and willing to write a huge check to make the new game, but they wanted to change things about it. They told him that the game was "too Japanese" and they wanted a more western appeal. He declined because he wants Shenmue to remain true to it's roots and did not want outside influences to alter the world he created.

Anyway if you are talking about them using kickstarter to gauge interest and Sony funding the project, that's 100% false. It's one of the reasons there's all the stretch goals for an expanded game. He knows with the limited funding he is getting that the game will be limited in scope and he hoped to be able to do more. If that goal is met he will make the world larger. Unfortunately too many people believe the false stories from the click bait media who ran with the story about Sony helping fund the game so the kickstarter pledges have almost stopped coming in. They don't realize that the only money for the game is whatever is generated from Kickstarter.

Why pre-order if you're going to wait to see what state the game releases in? The whole point of pre-ordering is to get your copy ASAP.

The other thing is that, some places you might not be able to cancel a pre-order once the game releases either (until recently not sure you could on Steam for instance, but finally there's some recourse for people who get screwed by the state that too many games are being released in).

If you enjoy that stuff that's fine, but personally I don't and I've felt most of that stuff seems to only betting worse and worse and more and more not worth it. Plus I absolutely hate when they split up the pre-order bonuses so if you buy it from a certain place you get a different perk.

I pre-order if I'm interested in a game and want the pre-order bonuses. You can see what stuff each retailer gives you and sometimes it's decent. Like the Red Hood story pack for Batman Arkham Knight. You always have this information prior to a game release. I don't have to buy the game if I pre-order. I can always cancel it if the game turns out bad for some reason. That's another benefit of going physical. I can get my money back from the store, or cancel my amazon order. I'm not stuck with digital content I can't refund.

 

[xantub]

Preordering and using kickstarter is similar, but very different. The difference is that when you preorder you know the game will be made. When you kickstart, you're helping the game being made. If nobody preorders, the game will still be made and you'll still be able to buy it. If nobody kickstarts a game, the game simply will not be made.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Preordering and using kickstarter is similar, but very different. The difference is that when you preorder you know the game will be made. When you kickstart, you're helping the game being made. If nobody preorders, the game will still be made and you'll still be able to buy it. If nobody kickstarts a game, the game simply will not be made.

The risk with kickstarter projects is there's no guarantee that a game that gets funded will have enough funds to be seen through to completion. It's up to us, the backers to do our research on the developer of the project and put our faith in them.

 

[foghorn67]

IF the promotion is a strong arm twister, yes.
I don't care about getting 10 bucks in gift cards or DLC, I would rather wait for the review.
The way I see it, Project Cars and whatever that effing hacker/Ubisoft/Assasin's Creed clone made $120 disappear in the thin air. I would need 12 preorders to make up for that.

 

[foghorn67]

Nope, I pre-order from Best Buy because if you have a My Best Buy account, many of the major titles (not from Nintendo) come with a $10 rewards certificate. So, 15 days after you pick up your pre-order, you'll have $10 off your next game. Given GCU's discounts, I'm then buying a game for $52 (after tax), and if it's finished quickly, it'll trade in for $44, then I'll get $10 in rewards towards my next game. So, I'm making $2 on games when I pre-order. Such was the case for Sunset Overdrive, Advanced Warfare, The Master Chief Collection, Dying Light, and maybe another game or two.



On the plus side, the issue of Forza 5 is fixed with Forza 6, as the content is upped to 450 cars and 27 tracks (from 200 and 17). Basically, Forza 6's announcement was Turn 10's statement that Microsoft screwed them into releasing half of a game because the Xbox One needed it at launch, and they were still working with new tools and didn't have time to finish the game. So, while CARS is technically broken, Forza wasn't, so I'm not concerned this time.

We get it, you irrationally hate Forza 5.

 

[pathos]

depends on the game, and the company putting it out.

Say, for example, I had no qualms about preordering expansions to mmo's I play.

I"ll preorder from smaller companies like Atlus, Nisa, Aksys.

And, I'll preorder from 1 or two games from my favorite series.

But, from major companies? Almost never.

 

[Sonikku]

Do you preorder?

You do if you want stuff like this.

 

[IGemini]

I've only pre-ordered two (PC) games in the past decade: Skyrim and Witcher 3.

Skyrim I regret. Not because it's a bad game by any definition, but the patches they released dramatically changed the gameplay experience. I also ended up dropping additional money on content DLC that really expanded the experience...I could've saved myself a lot of money by waiting for the Legendary edition.

Witcher 3 I got for $48 by virtue of owning the first two games, and I have a lot of respect for CDPR in their business practices. I haven't played much beyond the tutorial for purposes of determining my next GPU upgrade, but that'll happen before the price drops below what I paid for it.

I really don't care in pre-ordering for bonus items (seriously?), extra multiplayer maps (since I don't play online, if you couldn't tell ) or one-off skins referencing another game the company makes...usually those you can still buy down the road if you REALLY want them. The only ones that have appealed to me at all are the FF7 garbs in FF13 Lightning Returns (only available with the collectors edition from preorder) and I haven't even bought those yet on 360. For $75 saved since release, I'm okay with that. And I still intend to buy the PC version.

If preordering entitled a buyer to all the content expansions and I was confident the game would be worth it, I'd probably preorder more. Unfortunately that's very rare.