Do you really like Obama?

rpanic

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Do most of the Obama supporters here really like Obama or is he just the lesser evil? It seems like every president I have voted for was the lesser evil and not someone I genuinely liked. I hope something changes before we get to Election Day that would change my mind either with Obama or someone else.

I liked Obama a lot, but he seems like he has become just another pandering empty politician, the more he talks the less I like him. I don?t see why people are for him so much aside from him wanting to end the war which I don?t think he can do anything to change.

I liked McCain and he was my choice 2000, but a lot has changed since then and he seems to have changed and became way to close to Bush in the past 5 or 6 years. Everyone that gets close to Bush has something wrong with them in some way which is sad because I thought of McCain a lot differently before the taint of Bush.
 

Deeko

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I like him. I don't think he's perfect, but being that I have views from both sides (often times extreme views from both sides), it's very doubtful i'll ever find a politician I fully agree with. And anyone that actually wants to win has to "pander" and "play the game" so to speak, otherwise you won't get elected.
 

senseamp

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On some levels I relate to him, coming from a multicultural family, but I don't like him. He is laying the Hope and Change hype too thick, and substance too thin for me. He just strikes me as more of a self promoter than someone who is passionate about issues and policies.
 

Tab

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Yea, he's much more accomplished than any of us have with our lives. While, he's not as fiscally conservative as I'd like him to be he's the most libertarian out of all whom are running.

I'll be voting for him this coming election.

EDIT: As for McCain he's just another Neo-Conservative. Why the hell would we want another Bush in office?
 

RKDaley

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I don't think he's some Messiah, "chosen one", Jesus or any of those ridiculous tags ascribed to him by some.
I also don't agree with everything he says or does .
But I do like him and think he'd make a good leader.
 

RichardE

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He seemed like a typical political hack till I read alot more about him. I think most of us here are able to see through typical smoke and mirrors political bullshit, and even seeing through all that I still like him.
 

sportage

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I would not go so far as to label him "the lesser of two evils".
He's not quite to that point...yet.

But people have got to realize, good or bad, white or black, male or female,
if McCain gets in McCain could and will do so massive more damage to the middle class than Bush and Reagan could have ever envisioned.

If you want social security totally dismantled so NO ONE see the likes of it in their future.
If you want all employer biased healthcare totally dismantled, so its pay thru the nose
for every health issue you and your family require.
If you think YOU are somehow going to be rocketed into the upper class, and not
reduced to the lowest lower class as far as income outlook.
Then... by all means... vote for McCain.
 

StageLeft

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Yes, no strings. He is not perfect but if he can deliver on his "hope and change" (maybe not, but maybe...), then he could be a great president. The US hasn't had one in decades.
 

Robor

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Yes.

And I am aware he is not perfect. It seems those on the right are tagging him with the 'savior' and 'messiah' labels so on the slightest misstep they can point it out. Lame. McLame in fact!
 

b0mbrman

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I hate that he tells me to do things. Stop driving SUVs? Eat less? Turn off the TV? No thanks!

And did you hear that speech to Wesleyan? It was nothing but TELLING ME TO DO THINGS!

WHY DON'T YOU DO THINGS FOR ME?!
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Teflon. Don.

You keep repeating it like this is a good thing, that the media ignoring his faults for months on end is an admirable trait. Do you know the genesis of the term? It's not a flattering comparison. And recent primaries have also shown it to be incorrect. Look at what happened to the first guy with that name.
 

mxyzptlk

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He's just another politician. He speaks about being different from the rest of DC, but at the end of the day, he is what he is. Even if he does genuinely believe in what he preaches, I very much doubt in his ability to really change the way our country operates because he's only one man standing against a massive juggernaut of corruption. I think the current administration is more of a symptom of what's wrong with America right now than the cause of it because we voted for it twice and at least some of us are ready and willing to vote for it a 3rd time.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I hate that he tells me to do things. Stop driving SUVs? Eat less? Turn off the TV? No thanks!

And did you hear that speech to Wesleyan? It was nothing but TELLING ME TO DO THINGS!

WHY DON'T YOU DO THINGS FOR ME?!

The governments job is to manage the country and protect the people. For the people does mean give you your every whim. If 51% of the people in the US decided that executing immigrants was a good thing does that make it better? The government does need to protect people from themselves from time to time. To think otherwise is Utopian ignorance of thinking that some of "human spirit" and "human dignity" will ensure we do not self destruct.
 

mshan

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"He's just another politician. He speaks about being different from the rest of DC, but at the end of the day, he is what he is. Even if he does genuinely believe in what he preaches, I very much doubt in his ability to really change the way our country operates because he's only one man standing against a massive juggernaut of corruption."

You surely must be referring to McCain, who is going to be indebted to the RNC for $120 million. :shocked:




Obama sits on gold mine: "gigantic" donor database


By Christopher Stern
Bloomberg News

Sen. Barack Obama's supporters are giving him more than just record amounts of cash: They are providing personal information that may make his donor list the most powerful tool in U.S. politics.

Even if the Illinois Democrat doesn't succeed in his White House bid, this data will make him a power broker in the party for years to come. For the interest groups or Democratic candidates he chooses to sell it to, it would provide a gold mine of information and access to potential donors.

Almost 2 million people have entered personal information on Obama pages on social-networking Web sites such as Facebook, MySpace and his campaign's mybarackobama.com, offering home addresses, phone numbers, their views on specific issues and the names of friends. The data have allowed Obama, 46, to raise more than $200 million and motivate millions more with custom-tailored messages.

"It's gigantic," said Laura Quinn, chief executive officer of Catalist, a company that maintains a database of 280 million Americans. The list is as "transformational" as the advent of political advertising, she said.

The campaign's biggest innovation is in persuading people to enter personal information on the Illinois senator's site, according to Bill McIntyre, executive vice president of Grass roots Enterprise, a Washington-based Internet marketing firm that advises campaigns.

McIntyre, a Republican and former chief national spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said the data entered by 800,000 names on mybarackobama.com may be worth as much as $200 million.

In the past, campaigns have cross-referenced lists of registered voters against other records such as credit-card purchases or magazine subscriptions to find potential supporters. Obama's information is more accurate and precise because it relies on data that donors provide themselves.

"When people give information online, they are going to be more truthful and more credible because they are in the privacy of their own environment," McIntyre said.

It's the kind of detailed information that Republican operatives such as Karl Rove, who directed President Bush's campaigns, excelled at gathering through expensive microtargeting techniques that combine data from several sources.

The Democrats responded with Catalist, a similar list-building effort organized by top Clinton campaign adviser Harold Ickes that sells its data to "progressive" causes and candidates, according to its Web site.

Obama's success stems from a decision early in his campaign to embrace the concept of social networking, allowing him to leap ahead of his Democratic rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, or the presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona. For example, Obama now has 790,000 Facebook "friends," compared with 150,000 for Clinton and 117,000 for McCain.

Mybarackobama.com, the first social network specifically devoted to a political campaign, is modeled on Facebook. Chris Hughes, a 24-year-old Facebook co-founder, has been working for the Obama campaign full time for more than a year and helped develop the candidate's site.

When supporters join mybarackobama.com, they become part of the campaign, gaining access to phone-bank lists, local events and the ability to contact like-minded people or recruit new ones.

Mybarackobama.com is also a sophisticated data network that allows the campaign to home in on detailed information, such as whether a supporter is more concerned about civil liberties, foreign policy, education or energy policy.

People who provide their information online may not realize the data they are posting may have a long afterlife and find its way to other campaigns in future election cycles.

According to the Obama campaign's online privacy statement, it reserves the right to "make personal information available to organizations with similar political viewpoints and objectives, in furtherance of our own political objectives."

Federal election laws require campaigns to charge for the use of their data. The campaign must either sell the information or record the transaction as an in-kind contribution at fair-market value.

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor declined to comment on the value or possible future uses of the data.

Even as Obama's interactive databases prove to be efficient ways to energize volunteers, their ability to raise large amounts of money may outlast the campaign, said Tad Devine, an independent media consultant.

"That's really what we are talking about here," said Devine, a former strategist for Democrat John Kerry's 2004 presidential bid. "We are talking about a fundraising network that will far surpass the dominance that the Republicans held in the '80s and even into the '90s."

Obama's list of 1.4 million donors may be an especially strong fundraising tool in the future, Devine said.

"This is something where if this guy sends out a letter saying send some money to someone, suddenly a House candidate can have a half-million dollars in a day," Devine said. "That may be what the House candidate was hoping to raise in a quarter."

This ability to produce results ensures Obama will play a prominent role in the future.

"Win or lose, it's his list," McIntyre said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...79934_obamalist29.html

 

nageov3t

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"like' is a weird word to use.

at least on camera, Obama kinda comes across as smug, condescending, and like someone who's never had to really work hard for something in his entire life... I'm sure he's totally different in person, but sometimes I wonder how much he really connects with under-average americans and what he's going to do in the face of fundamental opposition to his policies. every time I hear him talk about uniting, it seems like he's saying "you're wrong, let me convince you," not "let's reach a compromise that addresses both of our concerns."

I agree with most of his policies, though, with two exceptions... the war in Iraq, where I think an immediate withdraw would lead to disastrous consequences, and his support for the congressional black caucus. after the comments that Donna Brazile made on their behalf, the entire organization can rot.
 

M0RPH

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Where's the "No" option? I do like Obama, but I find it odd that you would ask a yes or no question and not give a No option. Also, just because I may like him (or anyone else for that matter), doesn't mean I want him to be president.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: loki8481
"like' is a weird word to use.

at least on camera, Obama kinda comes across as smug, condescending, and like someone who's never had to really work hard for something in his entire life... I'm sure he's totally different in person, but sometimes I wonder how much he really connects with under-average americans and what he's going to do in the face of fundamental opposition to his policies. every time I hear him talk about uniting, it seems like he's saying "you're wrong, let me convince you," not "let's reach a compromise that addresses both of our concerns."

I agree with most of his policies, though, with two exceptions... the war in Iraq, where I think an immediate withdraw would lead to disastrous consequences, and his support for the congressional black caucus. after the comments that Donna Brazile made on their behalf, the entire organization can rot.

He grew up as upper-middle class and he doesn't support immediate withdrawal anymore.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: RichardE
The government does need to protect people from themselves from time to time.

No it doesn't. It just needs to avoid standing in the way of the consequences, so people can learn when they screw up. Take the housing 'crisis' - lots of people are learning maybe they shouldn't have bought some house they couldn't afford without a teaser-rate loan which was bound to go higher. If being stupid hurt more, we'd have less of it.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Teflon. Don.

You keep repeating it like this is a good thing, that the media ignoring his faults for months on end is an admirable trait. Do you know the genesis of the term? It's not a flattering comparison. And recent primaries have also shown it to be incorrect. Look at what happened to the first guy with that name.

it could be more fitting than not, didn't Obama vote to ease the regulation put in place to keep the mob out of the teamsters union, shortly followed by them endorsing him?
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: RKDaley

I don't think he's some Messiah, "chosen one", Jesus or any of those ridiculous tags ascribed to him by some.
I also don't agree with everything he says or does .
But I do like him and think he'd make a good leader.

I have my doubts about sending a lamb to the slaughterhouse. For in a perfect world it would be the President who is in charge, but I believe he will be nothing more than a servant of his political party. Will he oversee liberal policy and serve the interests of the people ? or will he oversee socialist policy and serve the interests of the government?

He will owe his presidency (the campaign that got him there) to a party whose corruption is like trying to view the forest from the trees. Whose only function is to serve itself just as we have seen in the Republican Party.

Our seat of power is taint with money and no man outside its effect will be blessed by the party to appear on the ballot. The party controls the ballot, they control the nation. The President is nothing more than their pawn. He will do their bidding, not ours.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: RichardE
The government does need to protect people from themselves from time to time.

No it doesn't. It just needs to avoid standing in the way of the consequences, so people can learn when they screw up. Take the housing 'crisis' - lots of people are learning maybe they shouldn't have bought some house they couldn't afford without a teaser-rate loan which was bound to go higher. If being stupid hurt more, we'd have less of it.

Why? Peoples actions with the housing crisis are affecting people that were never involved in that. If the government did not take any action it would hurt even more. Why should people not involved be punished because you want to teach stupid people a lesson?

Yes, the government exists to protect people from themselves as well.
 
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