Do you really like Obama?

[Harvey]

The luddite neocons and the few remaining brain dead Bushwhacko supporters are afraid of him, and Karl Rove is in overdrive trying to pimp Hillary's candidacy in an effort to give his client, McSame, a weaker opponent in November. That should be more than enough to tell you he's a good choice and not just the lesser of evils.

 

[blackangst1]

I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks. So, I pretty much dont trust him. A few things here and there

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks.

Quantize and itemize exactly what you mean by "everytime he speaks." That's not what I see and hear.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: senseamp
On some levels I relate to him, coming from a multicultural family, but I don't like him. He is laying the Hope and Change hype too thick, and substance too thin for me. He just strikes me as more of a self promoter than someone who is passionate about issues and policies.

I think that's a common mistake, to judge politicians this way.

They have to win an election, and you have to look at the voters to see what that means.

While you may like them to just talk substance, they *don't stand a chance to win* if they do, because the voters don't respond to that.

YOU have to be a little more sophisticated and look for the politician who represents you, but give them slack on how they campaign to get elected, given imperfect voters.

If you go back and look at your favorite president in the last century, at best you will find them campaigning with the sort of 'empty' campaigning you see with Obama et al.

I remember watching old ads of one of the presidents I think was highly substantive, JFK, and seeing the same sort of Obama-like nonsense. It was filled with empty sloganeering, a couple catch phrases, often music. Other campaigns are as bad or worse, the Willie Horton ad for example is even worse.

You don't need to look at much more than the following to get my point. Would you say you turned against JFK the way you turned against Obama ocer this ad?

link

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks.

Quantize and itemize exactly what you mean by "everytime he speaks." That's not what I see and hear.

See my thread everyone thinks doesnt latter....thats only the beginning. He's lied about every aspect of life starting at birth.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks. So, I pretty much dont trust him. A few things here and there

You need to stop reading and posting half-truths found in Emails and right wing propaganda sites.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks.

Quantize and itemize exactly what you mean by "everytime he speaks." That's not what I see and hear.

See my thread everyone thinks doesnt latter....thats only the beginning. He's lied about every aspect of life starting at birth.

FFS give it a rest. I'm younger than him and I can't tell you much about my childhood. Maybe we should start asking McCain about his childhood? You know, the civil war and such... :roll:

Edit: Your thread is a joke copy/paste from a right wing propaganda site. :thumbsdown:

 

[thraashman]

Well Kerry was the lesser evil imo.
During the 2000 primary, McCain was the lesser evil between him and Bush.
During the 2000 election I would have thought of Gore as the lesser evil (though I actually didn't vote in that), but looking back on it now I actually like Gore and would have liked him as president.
If Clinton somehow miracles her way to general election, 5 months ago I might have called her the lesser evil vs McCain (and I'd call Saddam the lesser evil vs Huckabee). But now if it somehow became Clinton vs McCain, I simply won't be voting as I can't in good conscience cast my vote for either of them.
Obama I genuinely think will do a good job and make this country a better place, or at least do more towards that than almost any other president has done.

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks. So, I pretty much dont trust him. A few things here and there

You know there's a big difference between having his facts wrong and lying. Most of your "lies" thread is his having incorrect information when telling anecdotes. Which basically breaks down to his not remembering every detail of his life before he was 15 and his not hiring fact checkers to look up his family history. The man has a law degree not a doctorate of history.

Really you're being very anal about this. And kinda childish considering he's been more open and honest than any presidential candidate has since as long as I can recall. There has to be something that's making you so irrational, because your thought process around P&N is making dmcowen look like the most rational guy on these boards.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks. So, I pretty much dont trust him. A few things here and there

You need to stop reading and posting half-truths found in Emails and right wing propaganda sites.

For example? Quit the diarrhea and post some evidence. Which email are you referring to? Which half truths?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks.

Quantize and itemize exactly what you mean by "everytime he speaks." That's not what I see and hear.

See my thread everyone thinks doesnt latter....thats only the beginning. He's lied about every aspect of life starting at birth.

FFS give it a rest. I'm younger than him and I can't tell you much about my childhood. Maybe we should start asking McCain about his childhood? You know, the civil war and such... :roll:

Edit: Your thread is a joke copy/paste from a right wing propaganda site. :thumbsdown:

You mean like the email chains and posts from left wing propaganda sites in the threads about Bush?

Ah. Got it.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks. So, I pretty much dont trust him. A few things here and there

You know there's a big difference between having his facts wrong and lying. Most of your "lies" thread is his having incorrect information when telling anecdotes. Which basically breaks down to his not remembering every detail of his life before he was 15 and his not hiring fact checkers to look up his family history. The man has a law degree not a doctorate of history.

Really you're being very anal about this. And kinda childish considering he's been more open and honest than any presidential candidate has since as long as I can recall. There has to be something that's making you so irrational, because your thought process around P&N is making dmcowen look like the most rational guy on these boards.

How is it different than the last how many years of Bush bashing threads? Or is that different?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor
You need to stop reading and posting half-truths found in Emails and right wing propaganda sites.

For example? Quit the diarrhea and post some evidence. Which email are you referring to? Which half truths?

Read the post above yours by thraashman.

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You mean like the email chains and posts from left wing propaganda sites in the threads about Bush?

Ah. Got it.

Please give me a link where I posted a chain Email or left wing propaganda about Bush. I'll wait.

Originally posted by: blackangst1
How is it different than the last how many years of Bush bashing threads? Or is that different?

I can't believe you have to ask that question. Have you been living under a rock or something? Actually, that would explain a lot of things. Anyway, GWB&Co are being bashed for their poor performance. His ratings are bottom of the barrel and deservedly so. Duh.

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks. So, I pretty much dont trust him. A few things here and there

You know there's a big difference between having his facts wrong and lying. Most of your "lies" thread is his having incorrect information when telling anecdotes. Which basically breaks down to his not remembering every detail of his life before he was 15 and his not hiring fact checkers to look up his family history. The man has a law degree not a doctorate of history.

Really you're being very anal about this. And kinda childish considering he's been more open and honest than any presidential candidate has since as long as I can recall. There has to be something that's making you so irrational, because your thought process around P&N is making dmcowen look like the most rational guy on these boards.

How is it different than the last how many years of Bush bashing threads? Or is that different?

Because there's a difference between "My uncle helped liberate Auschwitz" when he was mistaken and it's actually "my great uncle, who I refer to as my uncle, helped liberate Buchenwald".

And saying "Iraq has WMD's so we have to invade" and it actually being "um ... there's no evidence they'd had a wmd program for years when we invaded. sorry about the 4000 american soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iarqis killed"

We make fun of gaffs like "The have an old saying in Tennesee, well we have it in Texas I assume they have it in Tennesee too. Fool me once ... shame on ... uh shame on you. Fool me can't get fooled again". But we don't go "oh my god, Bush is saying that they say that in Tennessee instead of saying the phrase right. He's saying that people in Tennessee are idiots and trying to paint them badly. He's mocking the entire South!" Which would be almost an exact equivalent of what you're doing with Obama. Simply put, you're blowing out of proportion ... everything. And if you don't see that distinction, well I'm kind of surprised you're capable of figuring out how to log onto here to post.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Robor
Please give me a link where I posted a chain Email or left wing propaganda about Bush. I'll wait.

And I'll wait for the link of an email chain Ive cut and pasted...as you allege

Face it-candidates and our next pres and whoever else is in positions of authority are open for attack. Its just partisan hacks like you cant see that. It's now Obama's turn

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
I hate that he tells me to do things. Stop driving SUVs? Eat less? Turn off the TV? No thanks!

And did you hear that speech to Wesleyan? It was nothing but TELLING ME TO DO THINGS!

WHY DON'T YOU DO THINGS FOR ME?!

i can't tell if this is a seriouspost or not, it looks and sounds like sarcasm, but it doesn't feel like it.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I used to. Until all the stories starting exposing all the lies he tells everytime he speaks.

Quantize and itemize exactly what you mean by "everytime he speaks." That's not what I see and hear.

See my thread everyone thinks doesnt latter....thats only the beginning. He's lied about every aspect of life starting at birth.

I think you meant, your "thread everyone thinks doesn't Matter," and you're right. Your unsupported rants don't matter.

You still didn't identify ANYTHING, let alone "EVERYTHING he speaks" as being a lie. If you can't support your blanket statement, then YOU are the liar.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor
Please give me a link where I posted a chain Email or left wing propaganda about Bush. I'll wait.

And I'll wait for the link of an email chain Ive cut and pasted...as you allege

Face it-candidates and our next pres and whoever else is in positions of authority are open for attack. Its just partisan hacks like you cant see that. It's now Obama's turn

They're not open for any baseless, false, idiotic attack. They're open for valid attacks.

People who are simply disrespectful of candidates, pointless but for the 'fun of abuse' and such, leave themselves open for being treated the same in return and getting what they deserve, politicians who will play to their desires but screw them at the same time, like a waiter for an abusive customer who can abuse all he likes, but will have some interesting added ingredients in his food.

It cheapens politics, it prevents serious discussion, to have the debate be at the peanut gallery level, the attitude that the candidates are ok for whatever abuse you like.

No wonder you end up with George Bush.

 

[JS80]

Where's the option for "Obama is Evil"?

 

[Kappo]

Lots of the non-democratic lefties here will appreciate the information in this link.

SHHH! DONT TELL ANYONE! ITS A SEEKRIT!

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: loki8481
...like someone who's never had to really work hard for something in his entire life...

LOL... seriously?

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: JS80
Where's the option for "Obama is Evil"?

Somewhere in your mind, protected by a tinfoil shield.....

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: JS80
Where's the option for "Obama is Evil"?

Somewhere in your mind, protected by a tinfoil shield.....

Sorry, Im going with the "associates with known terrorists is evil" route on this one.

 

[woodie1]

"Do you really like Obama?"

Hell no! He just sounds like another politician to me. 'Course, at my age my hearing ain't what it used to be.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: loki8481
...like someone who's never had to really work hard for something in his entire life...

LOL... seriously?

I'm sure he's totally different in person