Do you really like Obama?

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Can you show me a link to where he's previously supported an immediate withdrawal? All I've ever heard him propose was a phased withdrawal.

Sept 12, 2007

He introduced legislation last January calling for withdrawal to start on May 1 and for all combat brigades to be pulled out by March 31, 2008.

Oct 19 2007

immediately begin to remove our combat troops

Sept 2007

"Our drawdown should proceed at a steady pace of one or two brigades each month," he plans to say. "If we start now, all of our combat brigades should be out of Iraq by the end of next year."

Sept 13, 2007

"We must get out strategically and carefully, removing troops from secure areas first, and keeping troops in more volatile areas until later, but our drawdown should proceed at a steady pace of one or two brigades each month," Mr. Obama said.

Sounds like a phased withdrawal to me!

 

[RY62]

Last September:

Sen. Barack Obama yesterday called for the immediate withdrawal of American troops from Iraq at a steady pace, with all combat troops either at home or redeployed elsewhere by December 2008.

http://www.washingtontimes.com...hdrawal32by-end-of-08/

More recently:

Obama continues to tell audiences he will remove U.S. combat troops within 16 months of taking office. Sometimes he seems to shorten it to 11 months, saying, "I will bring this war to an end in 2009."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._el_pr/candidates_iraq

Both sound like immediate withdrawal. If the order for immediate withdrawal were given today, it would still take months to achieve.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Obama is a candidate for the best of Americans, well off liberals who have resources to give and stars in their eyes youth. Corporate maggots who work only for the self will vote for McCain as will those who are afraid and the small minded who think their share of the pie can grow by force will vote for Hillary. Obama is a mirror and so many folk don't like what they see.

Obama will lead us to Outland and you are not prepared.

Hmm.....I quit WoW after the TBC launch so that doesn't bode well IMHO.

 

[palehorse]

Anyone who believes that ANY of the candidates would withdraw ALL of our troops, or even close, by 2012, is an idiot.

McCain is the only one to admit as much -- which bothers me, because Obama is my candidate...

DOH!

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: Tab

So, you're going to leave your children with mounds of debt from previous generations?

Might as well ship your kids to China because they just about own everything...

Say what! Have you seen the cost of all the social programs Obama is proposing. You think we are in debt now - we will have to borrow from every human on the planet if he gets his way.

So you're going to vote for McCain instead and spend it on Iraq and possibly Iran?

Look at your options folks...

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: brencat

Originally posted by: Tab
So, you're going to leave your children with mounds of debt from previous generations?

Might as well ship your kids to China because they just about own everything...

My kids will get an inheritance of whatever remains of my retirement accounts when I pass plus whatever they work hard for in life. The only thing they have to worry about is their own laziness as well as liberal politicians taxing productive people and redistributing it to those who are less productive.

Too bad the U.S Dollar will be worthless if we continue on the same course...

 

[GenHoth]

I like Obama but I don't like his policies.

 

[OFFascist]

Nope Obama is just another politician that I dont believe will do what he says he will.

He is also an empty suit that really hasnt done anything yet. What has he accomplished other than being the first black guy to get this close to being president? Is he the kind of person we want running for the president in the future? Some nobody who hasnt done anything?

Worst of all he is against our right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor
Please give me a link where I posted a chain Email or left wing propaganda about Bush. I'll wait.

And I'll wait for the link of an email chain Ive cut and pasted...as you allege

Face it-candidates and our next pres and whoever else is in positions of authority are open for attack. Its just partisan hacks like you cant see that. It's now Obama's turn

Hey genius. Your source is linked in the OP. Did you even read the thread? I just said above:

Originally posted by: Robor
You need to stop reading and posting half-truths found in Emails and right wing propaganda sites.

Of course, you like to talk in half-truths so I can understand your attempt to mislead and divert.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
no. i think he's a fucking fraud.

That's good. Given your posts I'm glad we don't support the same candidate.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: thraashman
Obama I genuinely think will do a good job and make this country a better place, or at least do more towards that than almost any other president has done.

Really? The guy's national experience is all of two years in the senate, and you're already putting him up there with FDR, Jefferson, Washington, and Lincoln. The Obama hyperbole is just a bit much, IMHO.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: thraashman
Obama I genuinely think will do a good job and make this country a better place, or at least do more towards that than almost any other president has done.

Really? The guy's national experience is all of two years in the senate, and you're already putting him up there with FDR, Jefferson, Washington, and Lincoln. The Obama hyperbole is just a bit much, IMHO.

So, the rest of his life doesn't count? There are many amazing things FDR, et all did with their lives before they became career politicians.

Obama has done a lot with his life a lot more than most of us can vouch for.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: thraashman
Obama I genuinely think will do a good job and make this country a better place, or at least do more towards that than almost any other president has done.

Really? The guy's national experience is all of two years in the senate, and you're already putting him up there with FDR, Jefferson, Washington, and Lincoln. The Obama hyperbole is just a bit much, IMHO.

So, the rest of his life doesn't count? There are many amazing things FDR, et all did with their lives before they became career politicians.

Obama has done a lot with his life a lot more than most of us can vouch for.

He absolutely has, and I respect him for it, but there's lots of really accomplished people like that in this country, so I don't really hold Obama in any higher esteem than any of them. Of course none of that means he'll be a great president either, and assuming he will be because he gives a great speech is just silly. He's certainly coming into a mess of a situation, should he win, and he'll have the opportunity for greatness, but there's no certainty he'll rise to the occasion. I though Bill Clinton was an accomplished individual with tremendous talent and personal magnetism, but ultimately much of his presidency was wasted on side-trick issues brought on by personal emotional flaws. What did he ultimately accomplish that will be remembered 100 years from now? He merely had the luck of presiding over a tremendous tech boom which he managed not to screw up, but his promised reforms of SS and Medicare never materialized, and he backed down on national healthcare. Talent gets wasted all the time.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: thraashman
Obama I genuinely think will do a good job and make this country a better place, or at least do more towards that than almost any other president has done.

Really? The guy's national experience is all of two years in the senate, and you're already putting him up there with FDR, Jefferson, Washington, and Lincoln. The Obama hyperbole is just a bit much, IMHO.

So, the rest of his life doesn't count? There are many amazing things FDR, et all did with their lives before they became career politicians.

Obama has done a lot with his life a lot more than most of us can vouch for.

He's done nothing to be merited with anything approaching the accolades that rain down upon him. He's a smart, accomplished community activist, first term senator without any landmark legislation, and possible president of an admin whose mark on history we cannot begin to speculate about one way or the other.

Even using FDR in the same sentence is indicative of the jesus treatment he gets, and it's not warranted, YET. We can check again in 8+ years. Then again in 20.

 

[Genx87]

The guy is a typical politician talking out both sides of his mouth.

Works on getting people registered then squashes them when it suits him.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...st.campaign/index.html

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yes, I do, I do like him and I believe he can help us out of the total clusterfuck this joke of an administration has thrown us in to.

 

[Aisengard]

Obama reminds me of David Palmer, and Palmer is awesome. Obama's wife also reminds me of Sheri, which is less of a good thing.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Genx87
The guy is a typical politician talking out both sides of his mouth.

Works on getting people registered then squashes them when it suits him.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...st.campaign/index.html

this line made me laugh...

They insisted CNN talk to a state representative who supports Obama, because, according to an Obama spokesman, she would be objective. But when we called her she said she can't recall details of petition challenges, who engineered them for the Obama campaign or why all the candidates were challenged.

 

[rpanic]

I keep thinking there is something really missed up about him with the ever increasing way his fans and media are touting how great he is. Maybe I have just grown to pessimistic and suspicious with the way our government has been going. My hope is that there is nothing hiding behind all that charisma.

At least with this election the way I see it no matter who wins it should be better than what we have now.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: rpanic
I keep thinking there is something really missed up about him with the ever increasing way his fans and media are touting how great he is. Maybe I have just grown to pessimistic and suspicious with the way our government has been going. My hope is that there is nothing hiding behind all that charisma.

I keep hearing about Obama supporters worshiping him but I don't see any examples. I don't see this in the MSM either. Every time I hear someone say the MSM is fawning over Barack I think back to topics like Wright, race, bitter, etc. Obama got pounded on those issues. Anyway, I support Obama but I don't have any notion that he's perfect. No one is. I do think he's by far the better candidate choice though.

Originally posted by: rpanic
At least with this election the way I see it no matter who wins it should be better than what we have now.

I thought that at first but it turns out McCain isn't the 'maverick' everyone thought he was. The Iraq war, Bush's tax cuts, supreme court judges, pandering to the RR, etc. Every day that passes McCain looks like an older, crankier version of GWB.

 

[nageov3t]

I'm not sure I'd use the word worship... almost more like rampant fanboyism.

eye-roll worthy when people on the forums ignore, gloss over, or go through contortions to justify his flaws, mildly disturbing when the media does.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm not sure I'd use the word worship... almost more like rampant fanboyism.

eye-roll worthy when people on the forums ignore, gloss over, or go through contortions to justify his flaws, mildly disturbing when the media does.

Deaf people don't know why the hearing like music.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm not sure I'd use the word worship... almost more like rampant fanboyism.

eye-roll worthy when people on the forums ignore, gloss over, or go through contortions to justify his flaws, mildly disturbing when the media does.

Deaf people don't know why the hearing like music.

:music:

Love your quotes, Moonie! :laugh:

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm not sure I'd use the word worship... almost more like rampant fanboyism.

eye-roll worthy when people on the forums ignore, gloss over, or go through contortions to justify his flaws, mildly disturbing when the media does.

Deaf people don't know why the hearing like music.

I'm just a maggot trying to understand what numetal has to offer me.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: thraashman
Obama I genuinely think will do a good job and make this country a better place, or at least do more towards that than almost any other president has done.

Really? The guy's national experience is all of two years in the senate, and you're already putting him up there with FDR, Jefferson, Washington, and Lincoln. The Obama hyperbole is just a bit much, IMHO.

So, the rest of his life doesn't count? There are many amazing things FDR, et all did with their lives before they became career politicians.

Obama has done a lot with his life a lot more than most of us can vouch for.

He's done nothing to be merited with anything approaching the accolades that rain down upon him. He's a smart, accomplished community activist, first term senator without any landmark legislation, and possible president of an admin whose mark on history we cannot begin to speculate about one way or the other.

Even using FDR in the same sentence is indicative of the jesus treatment he gets, and it's not warranted, YET. We can check again in 8+ years. Then again in 20.

The speaks volumes compared to who's currently running...