Do you respect Police / Armed Forces, purely based on their jobs?

HAL9000

Lifer
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I do tend to automatically respect Police officers but not so much with Armed forces personnel, I see police officers dedicating their lives to help their local communities, I see armed forces personnel flying off to far off countries killing people for wars they may not personally believe in.

That doesn't mean to say that I do not respect any armed forces personnel, if they have done something brave to save their colleagues for example, they get my utmost respect. People say that they are brave because they risk their lives, well they aren't being forced to risk their lives, they elected to do a dangerous job. Lots of people do dangerous jobs and I don't necessarily automatically respect them for that...?
 
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rh71

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yes and yes as a whole, but some individuals let it get to their heads. Around here cops can easily make 6 figures along with 6 figure pensions and the resulting tax burden on our county is ridiculous... not a lot of like for them because of that. BTW, the poll was an option before you submitted your post.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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yes and yes as a whole, but some individuals let it get to their heads. Around here cops can easily make 6 figures along with 6 figure pensions and the resulting tax burden on our county is ridiculous... not a lot of like for them because of that. BTW, the poll was an option before you submitted your post.

I know it was, but you tick the poll box, then press submit, then it comes up with the poll for you to enter, during which time people can post in the thread, so I always put "poll en route" while I'm writing the poll.
 

Red Squirrel

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I respect them if they are doing their job properly and civilly. All these cases that have been happening and the growing issue where US police are abusing their force, not cool. Especially considering they don't even get punished for it. There was a case here recently where a Toronto police killed someone, but he actually got charged for it. So I do respect the Toronto police force as a whole for dealing with that situation appropriately.

I got a ticket once for going through a red light, was zoned out, totally my fault. The cop was civil about it, and not in my face. I respect a cop who will enforce the law without shoving his authority down your throat. I was not expecting a freebie or a chance, all I expect from a cop is to be civil. In the states I probably would have been body slamed on the hood of the car and cuffed for that. Completely unnecessary.
 

jlee

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I respect them if they are doing their job properly and civilly. All these cases that have been happening and the growing issue where US police are abusing their force, not cool. Especially considering they don't even get punished for it. There was a case here recently where a Toronto police killed someone, but he actually got charged for it. So I do respect the Toronto police force as a whole for dealing with that situation appropriately.

I got a ticket once for going through a red light, was zoned out, totally my fault. The cop was civil about it, and not in my face. I respect a cop who will enforce the law without shoving his authority down your throat. I was not expecting a freebie or a chance, all I expect from a cop is to be civil. In the states I probably would have been body slamed on the hood of the car and cuffed for that. Completely unnecessary.

Funny, never happened with any of the hundreds of ordinary traffic violations I stopped.

Generalizing is bad, mmkay?
 

Zeze

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I don't. They're just doing their job.

They will earn my respect if they're dedicated and professional- no different than any other jobs.
 

Triumph

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Having worked in and around the military for the last 10 years, I can honestly say that I do not automatically respect people in the military.

Police, hell no. Given the power that they wield, my first reaction is to treat them with distrust, not respect. Too many good 'ol boys, former high school jocks, and former military join the police force thinking that it's a chance for them to legally exert authority over lesser humans. That is the last type of person you want being a cop.

Fire and EMT, definitely deserve respect.
 

Craig234

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I have mixed feelings that share some of what you said.

On the military, it's complicated - people make a big sacrifice and often are admirable.

But there is an issue that I think most in the military don't take real moral responsibility for their actions, pretending if the government says to do it that makes it 'ok'.

I don't mean extremes like 'shoot those babies', but the basic morality of the violence.

As Smedley Butler mention, it can have agendas like 'muscle for business'.

I have more respect for the people who refuse service unless they're convinced it's justified - e.g. WWII - than for many who make great sacrifices serving.

But the people who do that usually are more naive, often young - hard to 'blame them'.

They're told by almost everyone how noble and patriotic it is to 'serve their country', and we expect them to not accept that at face value? Hardly.

Wars are filled with good men who kill one another for hidden agendas to serve a few powerful people in the name of 'defending your country'.

I agree with you that police are under-credited for the day to day service they provide while a lot of glory is saved for the military.

But having said that, the troops are often not given respect they deserve in many ways. After being seduced to join, they're used up for the missions of the day, and left often with hard to deal with experiences, and problems, and having a lot of re-adjusting to do.

The conditioning they're put through alone to overcome the hesitation to kill IMO can lead to harm that lasts a long time - and might be linked to impulse control difficulty.

In a perfect world we wouldn't need much military, and of course we need a certain amount and should very much appreciate a lot of that service.

But we could use a lot more people who choose not to join when the military is oversized and used for questionable violence.

Sadly all too many happily join on every side, from the US to Al Queda. All think they're 'serving their side'. All can point to violence by enemies to justify more violence.

Really, you can say a lot about nearly all military - don't Hitler's armies deserve praise?

Weren't they 'good men' who served in their nation's armed forces, weren't they brave like US soldiers, didn't they make a huge sacrifice like US soldiers, for their country?

We might say they should have refused to serve because their leader was wrong, but how many soldiers really make that call, how realistic is that?

Really, the issues come back to the leaders and the society and the system, each play a role in unjust war and basically every war has injustice in it.

There's no justification for war generally, but plenty of reasons they happen.

I think there's a good reason to deny some praise to soldiers, to remove the incentives for them to serve and the message that society totally backs every mission.

When the US started a war with Mexico, some cheered it for the usual reasons; others, such as the new Republican Party and Abraham Lincoln, opposed it strongly. Ulysses S. Grant fought in it - and later as President said it was 'the most unjust war ever waged by a stronger power on a weaker power.' What do we do to prevent such 'unjust wars'? I ask that, but many will defend the war because they like the result.

Perhaps they have a point, but then how do they condemn Hitler for WWII? Could he have created a 'new Europe' which people like them now defend as 'worth it'?

It's a tough issue, praise for the military, with much deserved in ways, and not in others.
 

bearxor

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I don't. They're just doing their job.

They will earn my respect if they're dedicated and professional- no different than any other jobs.

This, though I'll generally give them the benefit of the doubt.
 

JTsyo

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I have a baseline level of respect for those that serve their community or nation. If they do something worthwhile it goes up, if they seem like a dick it goes down.
 

ShawnD1

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Fire and EMT, definitely deserve respect.
:thumbsup:

To me, police start at negative respect and they need to work their way up. I say that because most encounters I've had were very negative, and it had nothing to do with me being right or wrong. Example: I almost died in a chem lab when pesticide got into the vents. Firefighters broke down the door to get me out, they took all my clothes off (because they didn't know why I was shaking uncontrollably), they rinsed me using the shower that chem labs are required to have, and they put me in the ambulance. Paramedics put a blanket on me and did some tests to see if I was ok. Some retarded cop gets into the back of the ambulance and says they're going to charge me with endangering the public. Really? I wasn't aware that dying was against the law.

We get to the hospital, I get stabilized. More police come to talk to me and ask a bunch of retarded questions about the lab. "Is there HCl in the lab?" Obviously yes since it's a chem lab. Then they ask a bunch of random questions like "when is the last time you tried meth" and "how much did it cost?" Dude, wtf is your problem? I almost die and you want to know about drugs? Are you high right now?

100% of the paramedics and firefighters did their job perfect. 100% of the police were fucking retarded beyond belief.

Military people are neutral. Some of them are good people, some are retarded. It's not much different than any other job.
 

Pia

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I'm never a dick to anyone who doesn't deserve it. I understand a good deal about the situations and risks those people face so when they are on the job, I'll tolerate some behaviors from them (and from security guards, bouncers, etc.) I would not tolerate from others. Including some things which technically step over their authority but are necessary. That's not respect, that's being reasonable.

I honestly believe that the average cop where I live is the most honest cop in the world, but when some of them go bad, try to railroad innocent people, forge evidence to avoid looking stupid, etc. there's virtually no consequences for them. Those people can go DIAF.

Toward on-duty cops who choose to approach me I'm going to be courteous as usual, but cautious. No disrespect, it's just that at best I get nothing out of the interaction and at worst I get in legal trouble. There are cops who make mistakes, bad cops, bad laws, and too many laws for anyone to say with certainty that they have not recently broken any.

I know there's a skew toward certain character features in people who get into these professions. When dealing with an unknown representative of the profession my behavior will be informed by that knowledge. There's good and bad stuff that I half-expect, but even if I held the most positive stereotype ever, it couldn't be cause for respect until I see those expectations validated for the individual.
 
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MichaelD

Lifer
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Please do not lump the fine men and women that serve in the US Armed Forces with cops. Not the same thing, category, standards, etc.

In the Armed Forces you are asked to put yourself in harm's way for the greater good of the USA. You are sent far away from your family for long periods of time.

Cops put their life on the line everyday. I get it. So do construction workers.
 

lxskllr

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I don't like cops, and I distrust anyone who wants a position of authority. I generally like military, but sometimes they disappoint me, especially Army. Army doesn't always get the best/brightest, and they sometimes have severe character flaws. I would give former military preferential treatment in most cases, with other factors being equal.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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Please do not lump the fine men and women that serve in the US Armed Forces with cops. Not the same thing, category, standards, etc.

In the Armed Forces you are asked to put yourself in harm's way for the greater good of the USA. You are sent far away from your family for long periods of time.

Cops put their life on the line everyday. I get it. So do construction workers.

You see this line of thinking is my issue.

Cops put their life on the line everyday for their community.

The Armed Forces don't do it for their community, they do it for the arbitrary reasons of the government, they invade or defend whatever they are pointed towards. I doubt that many people sign up for the Armed Forces because they want to protect their country, there are better ways of doing that, I'd imagine they often do it because it's their career path for whatever reason.
 

Beev

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I'm not rude to anyone, but everyone, no matter the profession, has to earn my respect.

I do not respect the police. I respect specific officers.

I definitely don't respect our armed forces. I respect, rarely, specific members of said forces.
 

waggy

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no. respect it earned by the person not the badge or uniform they wear.
 

jlee

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Sep 12, 2001
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Please do not lump the fine men and women that serve in the US Armed Forces with cops. Not the same thing, category, standards, etc.

Nope. Plenty of people that served in the military can't get hired by a PD.

C'mon dude, no need for insults.
 
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