Do you reveal your wage to your co-workers?

[dquan97]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
yes. Mine is public knowledge.

Mine too

 

[TallBill]

All of my salary information is entirely public.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Regardless of social stigmas in my opinion if a business fires someone for honestly telling someone their wages that company should immediately be disbanded and all executives tried for a serious crime. NO ONE can tell me what I can and can not talk about.

You signed the code of conduct when you became employed. Most all of them state you cannot speak of your wages with anybody but HR and your supervisor.

Plus it's just common sense not to do so.

 

[imported_cheapdude]

At my job, its a dick swinging contest when bonus time comes.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Regardless of social stigmas in my opinion if a business fires someone for honestly telling someone their wages that company should immediately be disbanded and all executives tried for a serious crime. NO ONE can tell me what I can and can not talk about.

You signed the code of conduct when you became employed. Most all of them state you cannot speak of your wages with anybody but HR and your supervisor.

Plus it's just common sense not to do so.

If I ever saw that in writing I'd refuse to sign and go work somewhere else. I've never had to sign anything remotely similar, not once at any of the 20+ jobs I've had.

Again, not talking about should you or shouldn't you, just commenting that a business having the right to restrict your speech is inherently wrong to me and should carry penalties.

 

[imported_cheapdude]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Regardless of social stigmas in my opinion if a business fires someone for honestly telling someone their wages that company should immediately be disbanded and all executives tried for a serious crime. NO ONE can tell me what I can and can not talk about.

You signed the code of conduct when you became employed. Most all of them state you cannot speak of your wages with anybody but HR and your supervisor.

Plus it's just common sense not to do so.

If I ever saw that in writing I'd refuse to sign and go work somewhere else. I've never had to sign anything remotely similar, not once at any of the 20+ jobs I've had.

Again, not talking about should you or shouldn't you, just commenting that a business having the right to restrict your speech is inherently wrong to me and should carry penalties.

Thats odd, most of my jobs requires people to keep it confidential, but in reality its obvious when someone is getting a new mercedes every year you kinda get an idea.

 

[lokiju]

No with the exception of when I've worked with outside of work friends and even then not always.

 

[Stvfarmboy]

I haven't and don't intend to even though being the new guy I'm guessing I'm at the low end of everyone else there.

 

[elmro]

I like to know what my fellow employees make - I want to know if I am getting ***** in the ***. If I'm doing 2X the work that some tool who's making 2X more than me, I use this knowledge to my advantage: I am less aprehensive to demand more money at review time. I of course would never reveal that I have this information. I am also cautious about the people I reveal my salary too - they better not drop my name in a management meeting.

 

[3NF]

I have, but only to close friends with whom I work with. It's all good

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: LS20
i, unintentionally, revealed mine literally to the entire world

Howso?

print & web news article revealing parts not meant for publication.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Regardless of social stigmas in my opinion if a business fires someone for honestly telling someone their wages that company should immediately be disbanded and all executives tried for a serious crime. NO ONE can tell me what I can and can not talk about.

You signed the code of conduct when you became employed. Most all of them state you cannot speak of your wages with anybody but HR and your supervisor.

Plus it's just common sense not to do so.

If I ever saw that in writing I'd refuse to sign and go work somewhere else. I've never had to sign anything remotely similar, not once at any of the 20+ jobs I've had.

Again, not talking about should you or shouldn't you, just commenting that a business having the right to restrict your speech is inherently wrong to me and should carry penalties.

Uhh...just because you didn't sign anything doesn't mean you're not held by it...you probably signed some sort of policy acknowledgement form...hence...you're held responsible for following all policies...sounds like your someone who should go over your companies policies with a fine-toothed comb so you don't feel violated.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: elmro
I like to know what my fellow employees make - I want to know if I am getting ***** in the ***. If I'm doing 2X the work that some tool who's making 2X more than me, I use this knowledge to my advantage: I am less aprehensive to demand more money at review time. I of course would never reveal that I have this information. I am also cautious about the people I reveal my salary too - they better not drop my name in a management meeting.

The way I look at it is the company pays me what they think I'm worth. If they are intentionally screwing me, then so be it. Its up to me to find another employer who see more value in me. Come time to put in the two weeks, if they try to match what the other place is giving you, just say "Sorry, had you thought I was worth more to the company, it would be reflected in the pay to begin with and we both wouldn't be in this situation. I don't want you to feel like I'm extorting more money out of you because its really not about the money."

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: elmro
I like to know what my fellow employees make - I want to know if I am getting ***** in the ***. If I'm doing 2X the work that some tool who's making 2X more than me, I use this knowledge to my advantage: I am less aprehensive to demand more money at review time. I of course would never reveal that I have this information. I am also cautious about the people I reveal my salary too - they better not drop my name in a management meeting.

The way I look at it is the company pays me what they think I'm worth. If they are intentionally screwing me, then so be it. Its up to me to find another employer who see more value in me. Come time to put in the two weeks, if they try to match what the other place is giving you, just say "Sorry, had you thought I was worth more to the company, it would be reflected in the pay to begin with and we both wouldn't be in this situation. I don't want you to feel like I'm extorting more money out of you because its really not about the money."

It's a business. They're going to pay you the lowest amount they think they can and still keep you. Speaking with co-workers about wages helps you to change your expectations and therefore change what your employer believes is the lowest amount you'll take and still work at the company. It's not about "intentionally screwing" you. It's about capitalism.

 

[BMdoobieW]

Nope, never. There's no reason to.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: cheapdude

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Regardless of social stigmas in my opinion if a business fires someone for honestly telling someone their wages that company should immediately be disbanded and all executives tried for a serious crime. NO ONE can tell me what I can and can not talk about.

You signed the code of conduct when you became employed. Most all of them state you cannot speak of your wages with anybody but HR and your supervisor.

Plus it's just common sense not to do so.

If I ever saw that in writing I'd refuse to sign and go work somewhere else. I've never had to sign anything remotely similar, not once at any of the 20+ jobs I've had.

Again, not talking about should you or shouldn't you, just commenting that a business having the right to restrict your speech is inherently wrong to me and should carry penalties.

Thats odd, most of my jobs requires people to keep it confidential, but in reality its obvious when someone is getting a new mercedes every year you kinda get an idea.

I had one job where after working there for a time the director approached me and told me I shouldn't be sharing wage info with anyone. This was because one of the doctors asked what we were paid after one of the officers refused to enter a dangerous situation, stating it wasn't worth the money and quitting. This caused the hospital staff to demand higher wages for security and led to a big issue. At the time we were receiving about half industry standard pay and no benefits at all, as well as a host of other issues. I told the director (and I'll quote it nearly exactly) "If you don't want to be embarassed by your actions then you shouldn't do those things. I will tell anyone absolutely anything I please as long as it isn't a lie. If you don't like it you're free to try and find someone to replace me." He let it drop.

Again, not bringing it up because you don't want to create friction is fine. Being told you can't answer honestly because the comapny wants to rape you as much as possible is morally repugnant and should be treated as a crime.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Regardless of social stigmas in my opinion if a business fires someone for honestly telling someone their wages that company should immediately be disbanded and all executives tried for a serious crime. NO ONE can tell me what I can and can not talk about.

You signed the code of conduct when you became employed. Most all of them state you cannot speak of your wages with anybody but HR and your supervisor.

Plus it's just common sense not to do so.

If I ever saw that in writing I'd refuse to sign and go work somewhere else. I've never had to sign anything remotely similar, not once at any of the 20+ jobs I've had.

Again, not talking about should you or shouldn't you, just commenting that a business having the right to restrict your speech is inherently wrong to me and should carry penalties.

Uhh...just because you didn't sign anything doesn't mean you're not held by it...you probably signed some sort of policy acknowledgement form...hence...you're held responsible for following all policies...sounds like your someone who should go over your companies policies with a fine-toothed comb so you don't feel violated.

Policy does not replace reason, nor morality. Ever. I will do what is right every time (or at least try to). Nothing else exists which I feel beholden to.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Babbles
To talk about it is unprofessional, unethical, stupid, and grounds for termination with most employers.

This is stupid. Why is it any of these things? Unless your employer is employing the "good old boy" system where they pay their friends more when they are less productive, there's no argument against sharing salary information. Even if I give you the first 3, grounds for termination is just ludicrous. Being fired for telling someone how much you make is going to get the employer sued for wrongful termination.

If you seriously do not understand how it is unprofessional to be gabbing with coworkers about your salary then you are, nearly by definition, a buffoon. Additionally, as others have mentioned, revealing your compensation to other coworkers is typically against corporate policies. I have never worked for anybody who did not clearly state this at one point or another. These types of policies are by far the norm and not the exception.

Finally if you really think that you can sue your employer for wrongful termination when you, more than likely, violate company policies then you are going to have one rough life ahead of you.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Mom knows how much I'll be making.
She's already told my younger brother and she's using me as an example.

I WILL discuss my salary with "friends" who are co-workers.

"Friends" meaning I must know you before we start the job, and not after.

 

[elmro]

Pardon my buffoonery, but someone please explain what is unprofessional about gabbing about salary. If I ask someone at work who I relatively "trust" how they are doing salary wise, and they want to share the info - what is the problem? I am trying to gather as much information as possible to make sure that I am at least getting paid what I am worth. I can look to external factors like salary.com and other friends' in the industry, but why not look inwards as well.

As someone mentioned earlier: the employee is trying to get as much as possible for the work they do, while the employer is trying to pay out as little as possible for the work that needs to be done - it is called capitalism.

edit: fixed typo.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: elmro
Pardon my buffoonery, but someone please explain what is unprofessional about gabbing about salary. If I ask someone at work who I relatively "trust" how they are doing salary wise, and they want to share the info - what is the problem? I am trying to gather as much information as possible to make sure that I am at least getting paid what I am worth. I can look to external factors like salary.com and other friends' in the industry, but why not look inwards as well.

As someone mentioned earlier: the employee is trying to get as much as possible for the work they do, while the employer is trying to pay out as little as possible for the work that needs to be done - it is called capitalism.

edit: fixed typo.

WOW!

You never, ever, ever talk about your salary to co-workers. Think real quick about what possible positive outcome can happen from this. I ONCE, and ONLY ONCE, revealed what my grade level was to co-workers, this wasn't even what I made, it was a wide range of salary and benefits. Immediately, within seconds there were "jebus! That's director level!!!! WTF!!!!"

There is one single and ultimate truth - you will be compensated what you are worth. It's up to you to determine what your worth is.

You never talk compensation in anyway shape or form to co-workers. To do so is detremental to you career and advancements. never, ever, ever, ever, ever tell people what you make.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Cookie

Originally posted by: Toasthead
Im a public employee. My wage is revealed to EVERYONE.

Mine too. Anyone with internet access can find it.

Been there before myself. The MAJORITY of jobs I've worked in my 30+ years of gainful employment have been union jobs, where the wages are set by union contract. HOWEVER, that only covers the MINIMUM wage for that job, and most of the time, I've made $3. to $5. hr over scale, and usually a guaranteed minimum # of hours per week, even though that's not usually covered by the contract.

 

[Twista]

Yep, and they asked how i got that amount since i make more than people thats been there for awhile. I will never say what i make anymore ;]

edit: Were allowed to tell anyone that works at the store. But people outside of the store is a NO-NO.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: elmro
I like to know what my fellow employees make - I want to know if I am getting ***** in the ***. If I'm doing 2X the work that some tool who's making 2X more than me, I use this knowledge to my advantage: I am less aprehensive to demand more money at review time. I of course would never reveal that I have this information. I am also cautious about the people I reveal my salary too - they better not drop my name in a management meeting.

The way I look at it is the company pays me what they think I'm worth. If they are intentionally screwing me, then so be it. Its up to me to find another employer who see more value in me. Come time to put in the two weeks, if they try to match what the other place is giving you, just say "Sorry, had you thought I was worth more to the company, it would be reflected in the pay to begin with and we both wouldn't be in this situation. I don't want you to feel like I'm extorting more money out of you because its really not about the money."

How do you figure that they're "intentionally screwing you" without asking co-workers who you're close friends with about their salary to yours?

If there are no close co-workers in my particular "retail store X", I'll ask close friends who I know are working in the same state for the same "retail store X".

*note the emphasis on close*

 

[elmro]

The outcome is this: if someone makes a significant amount more than me - while we do equivilent work - will give me incentive to negotiate a higher salary. The company has every right to deny my request.

If the table is turned and I make more money than someone else who feels, now, knowing what I make, they are underpaid - I feel they are better off. They can then choose to do something about it, or choose not to do something about it.

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: elmro
Pardon my buffoonery, but someone please explain what is unprofessional about gabbing about salary. If I ask someone at work who I relatively "trust" how they are doing salary wise, and they want to share the info - what is the problem? I am trying to gather as much information as possible to make sure that I am at least getting paid what I am worth. I can look to external factors like salary.com and other friends' in the industry, but why not look inwards as well.

As someone mentioned earlier: the employee is trying to get as much as possible for the work they do, while the employer is trying to pay out as little as possible for the work that needs to be done - it is called capitalism.

edit: fixed typo.

WOW!

You never, ever, ever talk about your salary to co-workers. Think real quick about what possible positive outcome can happen from this. I ONCE, and ONLY ONCE, revealed what my grade level was to co-workers, this wasn't even what I made, it was a wide range of salary and benefits. Immediately, within seconds there were "jebus! That's director level!!!! WTF!!!!"

There is one single and ultimate truth - you will be compensated what you are worth. It's up to you to determine what your worth is.

You never talk compensation in anyway shape or form to co-workers. To do so is detremental to you career and advancements. never, ever, ever, ever, ever tell people what you make.