Do you think Apple is a fad or theyre products are here to stay?

[SlitheryDee]

They've been wildly popular for enough years to already have passed "fad" status if they quit selling stuff tomorrow I think. They've built up a big enough head of steam to keep selling stuff on brand alone for a few more years yet too, and they're still making pretty good products right now.

My vote is no. They probably won't be here forever, but you can say that for any company over a long enough time period.

 

[Dominato3r]

Speaking of technically superior zunes why can't I use it as a portable hard drive still!!!!

I really do have a Zune 80 as my only portable player.

Same thing with the iPod touch now.

Anyways, what is this zunepass? Unlimited downloads for $10/$15?

 

[IGBT]

they've become the new "sharper image" electronic gadget joint. They have a user base that will eat up any electronic junk they slap the "apple" logo on.

 

[shortylickens]

EDIT: Also, Google fucked up their image search again.
I really wish I could go back to the old way, before the last two changes.

 

[sourceninja]

"I love itunes" = "I love to hand Apple my money"

How so? I have not bought a single song via iTunes music store. I buy from amazon as I prefer mp3 format (for burning mp3 data cd's for my wife's car) and because amazon is typically cheaper.

I like it as a management tool.

Honestly, it's not fanboyism. There are tons of things I hate about apple. I came from linux. My roots are in *nix. I love my macbook pro. I love how I can leverage the full power of *nix and use some really unique and powerful OSX applications (like coda, textmate, etc). It's a system of choice for me. I could just as easily do my work on a notebook with ubuntu on it, but when I was doing that I did not feel the user experience was as polished.

Ironically I was very skeptical about the switch to mac. My co-worker talked me into it after having a ton of wireless trouble with my dell notebook and ubuntu. I was sure I was going to hate it. His selling point was to show me how I could just install ubuntu on it if I really couldn't' stand OSX. I used it and was hooked.

I hate the iphone. I own one, but that was because at the time it was the best phone choice out there. I can't stand blackberries at all and android had not yet matured. Now android has matured some what, and my original complaints about the iphone have mostly been addressed. I simply can't stand the new form factor of android phones (being very large) so things like the evo are out.

I was going to buy a nexus one, but google ruined that for me. I really want a pure google experience phone that I can use for development. I don't feel comfortable with buying the nexus one because google has dropped sales. I don't see any compelling reason to upgrade from my 3GS to a iphone 4. So I'll wait and see what the next round of phones have to offer.

 

[AMDZen]

Wow. I don't even know where to begin. I'll just let "The Flying Pig's" Post speak for me.

I will say a bit more though.

Zune is shit compared to iPod Touch. Not even in the same league.

Android phones are the only thing even close to the iPhone and wouldn't exist without the iPhone.

Regardless of how you feel about the iPad, its yet another "Oh Shit we better do that too" device that has the entire industry scrambling to come out with something like it. Granted, I think Android devices are going to compete and do well, but where are they? Exactly.

 

[Beev]

Apple products will continue to be popular because it's hip. That probably won't change for a very long time. It's a pity, too, because both they're hardware and software are such utter shit. As long as people continue to think they look cool by having Apple products they will continue buying them. I should stop now before I start ranting about how pathetic Apple product owners are.

 

[sourceninja]

Apple products will continue to be popular because it's hip. That probably won't change for a very long time. It's a pity, too, because both they're hardware and software are such utter shit. As long as people continue to think they look cool by having Apple products they will continue buying them. I should stop now before I start ranting about how pathetic Apple product owners are.

You know a great way to actually debate something is to list examples and facts.

 

[Beev]

Android phones are the only thing even close to the iPhone and wouldn't exist without the iPhone.

Extremely shitty argument. By that logic we wouldn't have cars without the Model T. If Apple didn't (shittily) invent the iPhone someone else would have.

 

[Ns1]

You know a great way to actually debate something is to list examples and facts.

naaaaaaaaaah

 

[Beev]

You know a great way to actually debate something is to list examples and facts.

I thought that given the title this was an opinion thread. I'm well aware that everything I said was my opinion.

 

[purbeast0]

There will always be plenty of people who blindly follow trends. The current trend is if you care about what other people think more than having "the best" technology - you will buy an iphone, irregardless of the fact that the current model has issues and has already been proven inferior to other available options. i.e. HTC Evo.

this is one of the stupidest things typed on these forums.

 

[Patranus]

I think we will have to wait until Steve Jobs retires or dies before we can make the conclusion.

Apple + Jobs = Win
Apple - Jobs + Outside CEO = Loss
Apple + Jobs = Win
Apple - Jobs + Handpicked CEO = ?

 

[dwell]

Extremely shitty argument. By that logic we wouldn't have cars without the Model T. If Apple didn't (shittily) invent the iPhone someone else would have.

Perhaps, eventually. But let's face it. Android before iPhone was a Blackberry clone. It was not until iPhone pretty much defined what a smartphone is today that Google embraced the touch screen device with apps and an app store model.

 

[Anubis]

If all you want is something to put music to your ears, then there's no way you have to spend anything close to $200.

For $200, if it can't get me on the internet, play games, get my email, and can't expand its functionality, I'm not interested.

xmass/birthday gifts are amazing. you should look into those. also anyone playing full retail is dumb

 

[sourceninja]

I thought that given the title this was an opinion thread. I'm well aware that everything I said was my opinion.

I just want to be better informed.

Why is my macbook pro hardware shitty?
Why is my apple 24 inch display hardware shitty?
Why is my apple keyboard hardware shitty?
What in the design of OSX makes the software shitty?
What in the design of iMovie makes the software shitty?
What in the design of Garage band makes the software shitty?

I've owned 3 macbook pro's so far. All three are still in use and still work as good and look as good as the day I bought them. My dell notebooks have never held up that long.

Even an opinion should have some facts and examples that helped form it. Otherwise you should question your opinion.

The whole purpose of a discussion is to well discuss. Saying "it sucks" and "no it doesn't" does not make a discussion. Saying something like "The mighty mouse sucks because it is impossible to hold down left click and then right click making some game actions impossible" is still an opinion, but has some information to help sway the opinions of others and actually adds something to the conversation.

 

[mmntech]

Apple is a cultural icon, as trite as that sounds. Well, more specifically the iPod is. Macs are still largely the domain of creative professionals like myself. The iPod not only revolutionized how we listen to music but how it was sold. It was a game changer, even if it wasn't the first.

Apple did the same thing with the smart phone. The iPhone wasn't the first, with RIM already having a huge head start. However, the App Store was it's killer app. Again a game changer.

Apple is good at taking something that already exists, then turning it into something more accessible to average users. It doesn't have to always be cutting edge. People like Apple's products because they are good. They're easy to use, Apple stands by what they make, and they offer solid quality. Apple is also really good at marketing. They know what their audience wants and they deliver. Which brings us to what's wrong with the Zune.

I think the Zune's fatal flaw is marketing. It's highly rated and has some innovative features like HD radio, movie rentals, subscirption music, and wifi sharing. As CNET put it, it offers "the best portable music and video experiences money can buy." Can I go to the local Best Buy and pick one up? Nope, not a chance.

TigerDirect is the only major retailer in all of Canada that stocks the Zune HD. Then, it's only the more expensive 32gb model. Amazon only stocks the older model. Only in pink interestingly enough. Canada is the only other country besides the US where the Zune is sold. According to Wikipedia, Microsoft has apparently stopped sales in Canada entirely. Despite being the second most sold MP3 player in the US, it's got under 10% market share. I've never seen it advertised on TV. I don't think anyone really knows it exists.

 

[purbeast0]

Perhaps, eventually. But let's face it. Android before iPhone was a Blackberry clone. It was not until iPhone pretty much defined what a smartphone is today that Google embraced the touch screen device with apps and an app store model.

keep in mind too the app store and whole development process for Android is not NEARLY as intuitive and streamlined as the iPhone development is.

 

[Anubis]

I just want to be better informed.

Why is my macbook pro hardware shitty?
Why is my apple 24 inch display hardware shitty?
Why is my apple keyboard hardware shitty?
What in the design of OSX makes the software shitty?
What in the design of iMovie makes the software shitty?
What in the design of Garage band makes the software shitty?

I've owned 3 macbook pro's so far. All three are still in use and still work as good and look as good as the day I bought them. My dell notebooks have never held up that long.

Even an opinion should have some facts and examples that helped form it. Otherwise you should question your opinion.

The whole purpose of a discussion is to well discuss. Saying "it sucks" and "no it doesn't" does not make a discussion. Saying something like "The mighty mouse sucks because it is impossible to hold down left click and then right click making some game actions impossible" is still an opinion, but has some information to help sway the opinions of others and actually adds something to the conversation.

just equate overpriced with shitty and you have all your answers :awe:

however there is nothing "shitty" about mac hardware now, it was shitty before they moved to intel based systems, however its still overpriced based on preformance, you are paying for the aesthetics

The Cinema displays were for the longest time the only product of theirs id ever consider buying, however now you can get the same quality monitor from other company's for less money

OSX can be called shitty because it only runs on a limited amount of hardware. its also a lot less "user friendly" then people claim, especially to anyone that's used a windows based PC once

the KB is too small

imovie is nice, so is final cut

 

[zach0624]

I agree with tfp on this point.

I have to agree also. I'm a big nerd and love to play with stuff, that's why I run linux on all my computers, but when it comes to my phone and mp3 player, those just have to work and i can't be playing around with them all the time to get them working just right. Don't get me wrong I love the zune and I love android but they lack the polish both in OS and hardware design and community software. I'm very jealous of my mom at this point because her iPhone 4 works perfectly all the time and I can't keep my PoS touch pro 2 that i payed 300 bucks for to not turn off every time i try to use the keyboard. I have sworn off apple computers but in the realm of portable devices i'll take my ipad and ipod any day.

 

[Felisity]

this is one of the stupidest things typed on these forums.

Nice.... can't even give a single supporting reason backing your opinion that my comment was "stupid"?

Fail.

 

[Beev]

I just want to be better informed.

Why is my macbook pro hardware shitty?
Why is my apple 24 inch display hardware shitty?
Why is my apple keyboard hardware shitty?
What in the design of OSX makes the software shitty?
What in the design of iMovie makes the software shitty?
What in the design of Garage band makes the software shitty?

I've owned 3 macbook pro's so far. All three are still in use and still work as good and look as good as the day I bought them. My dell notebooks have never held up that long.

Even an opinion should have some facts and examples that helped form it. Otherwise you should question your opinion.

The whole purpose of a discussion is to well discuss. Saying "it sucks" and "no it doesn't" does not make a discussion. Saying something like "The mighty mouse sucks because it is impossible to hold down left click and then right click making some game actions impossible" is still an opinion, but has some information to help sway the opinions of others and actually adds something to the conversation.

I was generalizing, which was a mistake on my part. As Anubis mentioned for example, I do like Final Cut Pro. I used to use it all the time and I can only imagine it's gotten better. OSX I've just never liked, at all. I can't comment on Garage Band. And for every piece of hardware Apple makes there is a cheaper and just as good if not better alternative, which makes Apple's shitty to me.

 

[Ns1]

And for every piece of hardware Apple makes there is a cheaper and just as good if not better alternative, which makes Apple's shitty to me.

that's like saying a high end hyundai pwns a bmw just cuz their specs are similar

 

[AMDZen]

Apple products will continue to be popular because it's hip. That probably won't change for a very long time. It's a pity, too, because both they're hardware and software are such utter shit. As long as people continue to think they look cool by having Apple products they will continue buying them. I should stop now before I start ranting about how pathetic Apple product owners are.

You should of never started, now we can comment on how completely retarded anyone living in Buttfuck, Kansas is. Or rather, confirm.

 

[Beev]

You should of never started, now we can comment on how completely retarded anyone living in Buttfuck, Kansas is. Or rather, confirm.

The ironing...

Also, it's cute how mad you got when I was making a sweeping generalization not directed to anybody specific, then you had to single me out to make yours. Personal attacks ftw!