Do you think bin Laden was responsible for the attacks on 9/11/01?

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Juror No. 8

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You're denying the truth. You can't refute any of the well documented historical facts.

LOL, you don't have any truth or facts, just propaganda.

"But, but, but... What about that movie Schindler's List? The Holocaust had to be real! I saw it happen in a movie! And, and, and, my government school teachers all said it happened!"

LOL!
 

buckshot24

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LOL, you don't have any truth or facts, just propaganda.

"But, but, but... What about that movie Schindler's List? The Holocaust had to be real! I saw it happen in a movie! And, and, and, my government school teachers all said it happened!"

LOL!
Oh thats just the beginning! What about the love affair between Bush SR and J Edgar and the conspiracy to kill Governor Connally's wife? Facts!
 

NoStateofMind

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The most likely scenario, in my opinion, resembles something along the lines of the manufactured terror entrapment cases the FBI frequently cooks up to trick the American people into thinking there's a terrorism problem when there really isn't. In other words, the 19 hijackers could have easily been unwitting patsies who truly believed they were working on behalf of what they thought were genuine, Muslim fanatics hellbent on striking back at the "Great Satan", but in reality were working on behalf of an organization - Al-Qaeda - set up and covertly funded by the CIA for the primary purpose of conducting false flag terror attacks on demand from client NATO governments (UK, Spain, US, etc...).

This is essentially how wars, conquest, and hegemony are generated in the modern age. Supposedly democratic countries can't just go around invading other countries without a legitimate pretext, because that would be too obviously evil and corrupt. The people in democratic countries generally don't want war, so if their government went around starting a bunch of aggressive wars without good reason, it would quickly become apparent to the people, even the dumbed down, publicly educated ones, that their supposedly democratic doesn't represent them, and that can't be allowed to happen. The illusion of democracy, that the people control their government, must be maintained at all times. The real string pullers - the ruling oligarchs of the international financial coterie - must never be revealed.

That's where a state-sponsored false enemy like Al-Qaeda comes in. Al-Qaeda serves as the much needed bogeyman for the ruling elites. With a fake enemy out there committing fake terror attacks, you can justify aggressive wars, occupations, fascist legislation like the Patriot Act and NDAA, the creation of a full-spectrum police state, consolidation of government power, onerous regulations, drone surveillance, torture, and higher taxes. These are the bread and butter of every would-be tyrant in history, as it's far easier to oppress and exploit someone when they have no recourse against you, legal or otherwise. A system is being put in place that will make it all but impossible for the American people to successfully rebel and alter the course of their government, even if they wanted to. The existence of Al-Qaeda is indispensable to the creation of this system.

This.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Is there even one good piece of evidence that the U.S. government didn't tell the truth about 9/11?

Nobody can provide one.

WTC Tower 7. Undeniable proof. If they were telling the truth, why was it reported as fallen a full half hour before it was pulled? Not to mention the multiple networks that actually reported it as being pulled and not collapsed or destroyed. This is one "conspiracy" that is an actual fact.
 
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WTC Tower 7. Undeniable proof. If they were telling the truth, why was it reported as fallen a full half hour before it was pulled? Not to mention the multiple networks that actually reported it as being pulled and not collapsed or destroyed. This is one "conspiracy" that is an actual fact.
Where is the conspiracy in that statement? Is the assumption that, up until this point in time, the media was flawless in disseminating facts and never made an error previously?

 

NoStateofMind

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WTC Tower 7. Undeniable proof. If they were telling the truth, why was it reported as fallen a full half hour before it was pulled? Not to mention the multiple networks that actually reported it as being pulled and not collapsed or destroyed. This is one "conspiracy" that is an actual fact.

Dont burst his comfortable bubble.
 

NoStateofMind

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Where is the conspiracy in that statement? Is the assumption that, up until this point in time, the media was flawless in disseminating facts and never made an error previously?


Great. Tasteslikestupid is here. Get ready for obfuscation like you've never seen. Lol
 
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Great. Tasteslikestupid is here. Get ready for obfuscation like you've never seen. Lol
Obfuscation? You mean like claiming there was some massive scheme involving the government (Oh, and the media too) in 9/11 yet not being able to produce the very first shred of hard evidence to back up that grandiose claim? Then we have the resident asshat in this forum whose reasoning is 'You can't trust anything from the government so all their evidence is invalid.'

Obfuscation indeed. Maybe you should look up the meaning of that word because apparently you don't realize it applies to you?
 

Matt1970

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WTC Tower 7. Undeniable proof. If they were telling the truth, why was it reported as fallen a full half hour before it was pulled? Not to mention the multiple networks that actually reported it as being pulled and not collapsed or destroyed. This is one "conspiracy" that is an actual fact.

Another truther...... Except there is proof it wasn't a controlled demolition.

Here is the video of the supposed controlled demolition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Trj_5J02k

Here is the same side of the building but no explosions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

And here it is from the other side as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8

It really takes a special kind of stupid to be a truther.
 

diesbudt

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I think Anarchist420 did it to pump up his post total with yet another fucked up post...

Time to add 1 to my post count just to respond to this for no real reason other than upping my posts by a value of 1.
 

hal2kilo

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Obfuscation? You mean like claiming there was some massive scheme involving the government (Oh, and the media too) in 9/11 yet not being able to produce the very first shred of hard evidence to back up that grandiose claim? Then we have the resident asshat in this forum whose reasoning is 'You can't trust anything from the government so all their evidence is invalid.'

Obfuscation indeed. Maybe you should look up the meaning of that word because apparently you don't realize it applies to you?

Imagine that, a breath of sanity coming from TLC
 

Capt Caveman

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WTC Tower 7. Undeniable proof. If they were telling the truth, why was it reported as fallen a full half hour before it was pulled? Not to mention the multiple networks that actually reported it as being pulled and not collapsed or destroyed. This is one "conspiracy" that is an actual fact.

:biggrin:
 

Juror No. 8

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Obfuscation? You mean like claiming there was some massive scheme involving the government (Oh, and the media too) in 9/11 yet not being able to produce the very first shred of hard evidence to back up that grandiose claim? Then we have the resident asshat in this forum whose reasoning is 'You can't trust anything from the government so all their evidence is invalid.'

Obfuscation indeed. Maybe you should look up the meaning of that word because apparently you don't realize it applies to you?

LOL. Where's your "hard evidence" proving Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11? Where's your "hard evidence" proving Al-Qaeda's legitimacy as an independent terror network acting without state sponsorship? Where's your "hard evidence" proving the U.S. government told the truth about their involvement, or lack thereof?

Derpity derp derp?
 

Juror No. 8

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I am not familiar with what a government truther is.

It's quite obviously someone like you, who believes, with religious fervor, that the U.S. government told the truth about 9/11.

"Osama bin Laden did it! The government said so!"
 

Pr0d1gy

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Another truther...... Except there is proof it wasn't a controlled demolition.

Here is the video of the supposed controlled demolition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Trj_5J02k

Here is the same side of the building but no explosions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

And here it is from the other side as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8

It really takes a special kind of stupid to be a truther.

I'm not going on demolition videos. I'm going on the fact that on the morning of 9/11 I heard reporters claiming tower 7 had fell, yet it was still standing there. Not only did they report it as going down, they openly reported it as being pulled. I'm not a truther, I'm just not blind, deaf, and dumb.
 

buckshot24

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It's quite obviously someone like you, who believes, with religious fervor, that the U.S. government told the truth about 9/11.

"Osama bin Laden did it! The government said so!"
I think most reasonable people do accept what the government said because it makes the most sense. I think these same people would need some very concrete evidence to be convinced otherwise. You're not being skeptical you're just assuming everything the government says is a lie. The flimsy evidence to the contrary is paper thin, thats why most people don't believe it.
 

Juror No. 8

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I think most reasonable people do accept what the government said because it makes the most sense.

I don't think it makes any sense at all. There's nothing sensible about a conspiracy theory featuring 19 amateurs with box cutters along with a few caveman masterminds outfoxing the entire U.S. government, intelligence community, and defense establishment (CIA, FBI, NSA, Pentagon, etc...). Nobody with half a brain believes that story.
 

Juror No. 8

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What about the moon landing? Real or not?

What's the relevance? How are they similar? The moon landings were primarily a matter of national achievement, while the 9/11 attacks were primarily a matter of national security.

What does one have to do with the other, or is this just a way for you to change the subject?
 

Matt1970

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I'm not going on demolition videos. I'm going on the fact that on the morning of 9/11 I heard reporters claiming tower 7 had fell, yet it was still standing there. Not only did they report it as going down, they openly reported it as being pulled. I'm not a truther, I'm just not blind, deaf, and dumb.

Ya, don't go by hard evidence, go by a gaff from a reporter.
 

Matt1970

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LOL. Where's your "hard evidence" proving Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11? Where's your "hard evidence" proving Al-Qaeda's legitimacy as an independent terror network acting without state sponsorship? Where's your "hard evidence" proving the U.S. government told the truth about their involvement, or lack thereof?

Derpity derp derp?

Only a colossal dumb fuck could believe our government could put something like 9/11 together, recruit the hundreds and hundreds of people needed to pull it off, and none of them ever has an attack of conscience and comes forward.
 
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Only a colossal dumb fuck could believe our government could put something like 9/11 together, recruit the hundreds and hundreds of people needed to pull it off, and none of them ever has an attack of conscience and comes forward.

To me this is the most compelling reason (and I find it entirely compelling) why a 9/11 conspiracy makes no sense. Certainly the PNAC, which had senior members at the highest levels of government during the Bush administration, stood to gain from an attack on America as a means of catalyzing support for war in the Middle East, and they were not hesitant to capitalize on 9/11 to do precisely that, but even if I were prepared to accept that they were sufficiently blackhearted to kill 3,000 American civilians (and I am not), I do not believe they could possibly have carried out such an elaborate scheme without the truth having leaked out. Such a conspiracy would require precise coordination by thousands of people, and there is no way one or more of them would not have told the story by now.
 
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