Question Do you think GPU stock/prices will get back to normal before end of the year?

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Coyle

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I'm looking for a GPU to finish my build but the deal with GPUs right now reminds me of when I was trying to get a PSU, but maybe worse. Wondering if stock and prices will be getting back to normal before end of this year?
 

Hitman928

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It was $20 shipping + $30 sales tax, and fees are on the total price after shipping as noted earlier. I have no idea how the sales tax is legal since the item was already taxed when I bought it, but the state governments aren't going to give up the extra revenue.

You can avoid paying sales tax at the time of purchase on items you intend to resell, but there's a whole process to it and rules you have to follow. I'm pretty sure it won't apply to used items anyway. For used items, pretty sure you're just out of luck after the new internet tax laws went into effect.
 

aleader

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I'm not the seller but the fee break down would be roughly:

Sale price: $550
Shipping price: $50
Ebay+Paypal fees: $600 * 0.13 = $78

Profit = $600 - $78 - $50 = $472

Oh, right I see that now. So basically you are left with about 85% of the sale price. I didn't realize there was also sales tax. I'll have to see what the deal is on EBay.ca. It's the same BS when they charge sales tax on a used vehicle that has already had that tax paid at least once.
 

Golgatha

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You can avoid paying sales tax at the time of purchase on items you intend to resell, but there's a whole process to it and rules you have to follow. I'm pretty sure it won't apply to used items anyway. For used items, pretty sure you're just out of luck after the new internet tax laws went into effect.

Gotta say, I'm using Facebook marketplace a lot more because of taxes on used goods being a thing.
 

pj-

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Ended up getting a 3090 from microcenter this weekend (one of 10 $2000 MSI Gaming X Trios which sold out in a couple of hours)

I feel bad for contributing to this madness but I've been waiting 2+ years to upgrade my pascal titan x and it seems like there's no hope of things getting back to normal any time soon.
 

blckgrffn

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I haven't used Facebook marketplace, do they not charge sales tax on it?

No, but I do only local sales and somehow the people are (in my experience) much dumber on FB than CL. I live in a northern suburb but FB lists the location as "Minneapolis" because like CL that's the region I am in. The number of people who waste my time because they don't read the first sentence (or last sentence) of my posting which states explicitly where I live - or use the map that shows the suburb where I live - but will spend the time to negotiate a time and price to pick it up AND then "discover" where live is mind blowing.

Idiots everywhere
 

Hitman928

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No, but I do only local sales and somehow the people are (in my experience) much dumber on FB than CL. I live in a northern suburb but FB lists the location as "Minneapolis" because like CL that's the region I am in. The number of people who waste my time because they don't read the first sentence (or last sentence) of my posting which states explicitly where I live - or use the map that shows the suburb where I live - but will spend the time to negotiate a time and price to pick it up AND then "discover" where live is mind blowing.

Idiots everywhere

I'll have to look into FB marketplace's terms to see why they aren't charging sales tax, but it might be because you are doing local sales only.
 

aleader

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I'll have to look into FB marketplace's terms to see why they aren't charging sales tax, but it might be because you are doing local sales only.

My wife keeps talking about that...it's the new thing. May have to look at that. I normally just list locally on Kijiji. Would it be an issue for me on Ebay that I don't have any 'cred' (feedback)? I know that it used to be dicey buying from someone with a 0, or does Ebay have better buyer recourse now?
 

aleader

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No, but I do only local sales and somehow the people are (in my experience) much dumber on FB than CL. I live in a northern suburb but FB lists the location as "Minneapolis" because like CL that's the region I am in. The number of people who waste my time because they don't read the first sentence (or last sentence) of my posting which states explicitly where I live - or use the map that shows the suburb where I live - but will spend the time to negotiate a time and price to pick it up AND then "discover" where live is mind blowing.

Idiots everywhere

It's like when you put in big, bold letters 'IF THE AD IS STILL UP, IT'S STILL AVAILABLE' and the first question is "is it still available?"
 
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Hitman928

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My wife keeps talking about that...it's the new thing. May have to look at that. I normally just list locally on Kijiji. Would it be an issue for me on Ebay that I don't have any 'cred' (feedback)? I know that it used to be dicey buying from someone with a 0, or does Ebay have better buyer recourse now?

Ebay protects buyers pretty well now, maybe even a little too well according to seller critiques I've seen. I think a rating of 0 will probably still effect you. The higher price the item the more weary people will be. Who knows though with GPUs in such high demand, there'd probably be people willing to go for it anyway.
 

undertaker101

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Ebay protects buyers pretty well now, maybe even a little too well according to seller critiques I've seen. I think a rating of 0 will probably still effect you. The higher price the item the more weary people will be. Who knows though with GPUs in such high demand, there'd probably be people willing to go for it anyway.
My general rule of thumb is to avoid people with lower than 99% rating on ebay both as buyer and seller...unless I'm the buyer and it's a big box seller's ebay front like Dell or NE, then I don't care.
 

blckgrffn

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I'll have to look into FB marketplace's terms to see why they aren't charging sales tax, but it might be because you are doing local sales only.

I do all cash transactions even on the marketplace. I only use local, its just like CL and I don't do any payments through their interface.

Generally speaking, I believe FB can DIAF but they've helped me move a couple PCs I got no traction with on CL so whatever.

And yeah, FB has an auto response to any ad you look at where you can ask the seller "Is this still available?" via Messenger in one click, so you know how every single conversation starts
 

CP5670

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There are also lots of cards on Offerup/Letgo. I saw many local sellers on there when I was looking to buy a card, and it seems to work similar to craigslist. Lots of scams there too though, anything with a phone number is a scam and should be avoided.

Is there any feedback system on the FB marketplace? I think I have a FB account but there is nothing on it and I haven't logged into it in several years.
 

aleader

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My general rule of thumb is to avoid people with lower than 99% rating on ebay both as buyer and seller...unless I'm the buyer and it's a big box seller's ebay front like Dell or NE, then I don't care.

Knowing those fees are in play, I may just try to sell it local first for a firm price to avoid all the hassle. I'm still trying to determine if it's worth keeping to mine ETH with the fees/taxes/expenses involved, and the possible price drop.

EDIT: I listed it for $780 CAD ($590 USD) a few minutes ago and already have it sold if I want to...maybe I priced it too low? Maybe I should just hang on to it...
 
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Golgatha

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I'll have to look into FB marketplace's terms to see why they aren't charging sales tax, but it might be because you are doing local sales only.

I'm doing local sales only, but I live in a suburb of Kansas City, so there are lots of potential customers. No selling fees or sales taxes. I use a designated Internet Exchange area that's under CCTV coverage at the local police station for big dollar items. Otherwise, I normally just meet under the Safe Place sign, which is always under camera surveilance, outside QuikTrips around the area for smaller items.

Pro Tip: Get a UV light to check cash with. Fake $100 bills especially are used for scamming.
 

Motostu

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They started charging shipping fees because sellers would list something like a 3090 at $10 with a shipping fee of $1900 so only the $10 sale price would be subject to the ebay fee until ebay changed their policy. It also would make a lot of people upset who would buy an item at way below cost not realizing the shipping fee was the real cost of the item.
This, to me, seemed like a really stupid way for them to address the whole shipping cost abuse issue. Maybe I'm stupid, but it seems they could have implemented some kind of algorithm to flag the abusers and not make everyone pay ebay a fee on the shipping cost. To me it felt like it was just a sneaky way for them to get a higher percentage of every sale. OTOH, it may have been an incredible effort to try to quash the abuse, and this was just the easy way out. Whatever. I just don't sell there unless I can't move stuff any other way.

Back on topic, I'll be very interested to see where prices settle when/if the supply ever gets close to catching up. I'm working like hell to justify the newer prices to myself; It's just hard for me to pay as much (or more!) for the video card as I do for the rest of the machine. Just spoiled, I guess!
 

undertaker101

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This, to me, seemed like a really stupid way for them to address the whole shipping cost abuse issue. Maybe I'm stupid, but it seems they could have implemented some kind of algorithm to flag the abusers and not make everyone pay ebay a fee on the shipping cost. To me it felt like it was just a sneaky way for them to get a higher percentage of every sale. OTOH, it may have been an incredible effort to try to quash the abuse, and this was just the easy way out. Whatever. I just don't sell there unless I can't move stuff any other way.

Back on topic, I'll be very interested to see where prices settle when/if the supply ever gets close to catching up. I'm working like hell to justify the newer prices to myself; It's just hard for me to pay as much (or more!) for the video card as I do for the rest of the machine. Just spoiled, I guess!
That's actually the least of the problems as a seller. I don't sell often enough to justify any store subscription and the 13% min fee for ebay+paypal is a killer. Now they charge tax on top so the delta between what the buyer paid and the seller receives is quite high. A buyer can feel cheated buying a 3070 for 900 but the seller may have only made a $50 profit on it all said and done..yea it's scalping but ebay is the one doing it not the seller.
 

CP5670

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One other issue is that if you buy a card on ebay/FB/etc., there may be no warranty. I think EVGA will support their cards, but most of the other companies will not. Ask the seller for their original receipt if you buy something there. The stuff I sell on ebay is usually old enough for the warranty to be expired anyway, but for current video cards this will be an issue.
 

undertaker101

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Just placed successful orders for a PS5 and a 5900x, one for a family member and the cpu for my rig. Yay, ampere and vermeer successfully conquered (ordered atleast one of all current Ampere/Vermeer models, walmart canceled my 5950x order but whatevs..it was a valid order, most for myself/family/friends and some sold here for <15% profit in every case as I promised, sad I canceled 4x 3070 earlier, sub $700 3070s could have been used by many in the community) Apologies for the gloat but all of them were by beating the bots ...my advice play GhostRunner, think of ordering these parts as playing an old school unforgiving game and the frustration can be managed...(praying PS5 and 5900x orders *stay*)
Will be letting my current 5800x go at/near cost once the 5900x comes, spamming order button on Amazon really does work.
Sorry for the OT but is heatware down for good? That would suck quite bad...
 
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guachi

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AT is a community with rules, H is a dictatorship with whims. I was praised for selling a 5600x essentially at cost and then perma-banned for doing the same with a 5800x less than two weeks later. And while I will keep politics out of this sub-forum, let's just say if you are more aligned with the new administration, expect some general hostility there.

Is this the Hard OCP forum you are taking about?

I got banned from there years ago for no reason I can discern.

I've been a member of this forum for 22 years (I can't remember what my other account is so I had to make another one) and have had no problem whatsoever.
 
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