Question Do you think GPU stock/prices will get back to normal before end of the year?

[Coyle]

I'm looking for a GPU to finish my build but the deal with GPUs right now reminds me of when I was trying to get a PSU, but maybe worse. Wondering if stock and prices will be getting back to normal before end of this year?

 

[Golgatha]

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NVIDIA’s RTX 30 series supply has continued to be pretty dismal even 4-5 months after launch. The situation in January was especially bad. According to certain board partners I spoke to, most didn’t even get any higher-end RTX 30 series parts in January. Please keep in mind that I’m talking...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Looks like I will be keeping that 3090 order for now...

I like that the article calls $500+ cards, budget cards.

/s

 

[MrTeal]

I like that the article calls $500+ cards, budget cards.

/s

Like, I guess if you're poor you can settle for a $500 GPU. Life must be pretty rough though.

 

[undertaker101]

Like, I guess if you're poor you can settle for a $500 GPU. Life must be pretty rough though.

Didn't the Ti 4600 launch for like $299 and that was a halo card? I remember drooling at the time reading the AT launch article and wondering if I could ever get one....

 

[Golgatha]

Didn't the Ti 4600 launch for like $299 and that was a halo card? I remember drooling at the time reading the AT launch article and wondering if I could ever get one....

Yeah, I think it was about 2010 or so when the halo cards broke the $500 mark. Budget option in my mind is that $200-$300 range. But you're right, halo cards definitely used to be sub $300. Of course, minimum wage is also about twice what it was back then too, so maybe we're complaining about nothing.

 

[DeathReborn]

Yeah, I think it was about 2010 or so when the halo cards broke the $500 mark. Budget option in my mind is that $200-$300 range. But you're right, halo cards definitely used to be sub $300. Of course, minimum wage is also about twice what it was back then too, so maybe we're complaining about nothing.

Ti 4600 was $399 but the 2005 7800GTX $600, 2006 with the $599 8800 GTX & 2007 for the $829 8800 Ultra.

 

[CP5670]

Yeah, they have been in the $600-700 range since 2005. I remember spending $650 on my X1900XTX, and the 7800GTX 512MB was $800 or something. Rollo was telling everyone here to buy it as a long term investment and what a great deal it was. The other big price jumps were the $1000 Kepler Titan in 2013 (marketed as a gaming card at the time), and more recently the 2080ti and 3090.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Back in November I thought the market would have started to normalize by now.
My reasoning at the time was that there's a finite amount of customers who want >$500 graphics cards (limited demand), unlike what we saw in e.g. 2017 where the miners who hoarded more GPUs would only get more profits (unlimited demand).

I guess I was wrong. 3+ months later and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. New GPUs and CPUs are nowhere to be seen at MSRP. Demand isn't wavering and supply can't keep up at all.

Maybe during Q3 we'll be able to buy cards at MSRP (assuming the cartels of DRAM makers don't start their cyclical price fixing again, which may come sooner than later), but at that point we're all wondering if we're not better off just waiting another quarter for RDNA3 / Lovelace at 5nm.

 

[undertaker101]

And just landed another PS5, wtf...when it rains, it pours. Gotta disable those discord notifications , I am becoming a bot

 

[GodisanAtheist]

There is an old economics term relating to pricing on consumer goods "Up like a rocket, down like a feather"

I know we're all wishing the market would snap back to MSRP prices, but its going to take a LONG time to get there. Manufacturers are going to basically see current prices as the "true" price of the product and only ever gently reduce prices in the near term. Everyone figured Turing's price, largely the result of the prior mining boom, would collapse over time and it never actually did. Turing held its MSRP.

I know we all need to see some light at the end of this tunnel, but we also need a come to Jesus/Vishnu/Muhammad/Turing moment here and accept that this hobby might be out of reach for a lot of people for quite a bit more time than we expect.

 

[CP5670]

Yeah, the price is ultimately whatever the companies think people are willing to pay. I think PC gaming has become far more popular in the last 5 years with youtube/steamers/etc., and along with the bitcoin price hike and covid lockdowns, there is way more demand for expensive video cards than before. As I said earlier, I would not be surprised if the 4090/7900XT/etc. cost $2k-3k now that they have noticed this.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I know we all need to see some light at the end of this tunnel, but we also need a come to Jesus/Vishnu/Muhammad/Turing moment here and accept that this hobby might be out of reach for a lot of people for quite a bit more time than we expect.

I wonder if this will also re-model the developers' expectations for PC games and game engines throughout 2021-2022.
If the gamer population with gaming hardware above PS5/SeriesX level is negligible, why bother with virtually unobtainable effects like we're seeing in e.g. maxed out RT in Cyberpunk?

 

[CP5670]

I wonder if this will also re-model the developers' expectations for PC games and game engines throughout 2021-2022.
If the gamer population with gaming hardware above PS5/SeriesX level is negligible, why bother with virtually unobtainable effects like we're seeing in e.g. maxed out RT in Cyberpunk?

It's already been true for a while now. New high end cards enable niche features that most non-hardcore gamers don't care about, and the enthusiasts pay increasingly higher prices to get those features. I think games today look similar to the games from 5-6 years ago, except for RT and larger textures. Even Sony and MS are trying to sell people on their online platforms more than the console hardware itself.

VR seems like the best use case for new cards at this point, and some of the VR stuff feels really new and fresh to me the way regular 3D graphics felt at one point. However, PC VR is niche to begin with and most people will use Oculus for it.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

And just landed another PS5, wtf...when it rains, it pours. Gotta disable those discord notifications , I am becoming a bot

Wow, from where?

 

[Golgatha]

Back in November I thought the market would have started to normalize by now.
My reasoning at the time was that there's a finite amount of customers who want >$500 graphics cards (limited demand), unlike what we saw in e.g. 2017 where the miners who hoarded more GPUs would only get more profits (unlimited demand).

I guess I was wrong. 3+ months later and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. New GPUs and CPUs are nowhere to be seen at MSRP. Demand isn't wavering and supply can't keep up at all.

Maybe during Q3 we'll be able to buy cards at MSRP (assuming the cartels of DRAM makers don't start their cyclical price fixing again, which may come sooner than later), but at that point we're all wondering if we're not better off just waiting another quarter for RDNA3 / Lovelace at 5nm.

I honestly think a big contributor is a lot of people, myself included, held on to their 1000 series GPU because the performance increase just wasn't there to justify the upgrade when the 2000 series released. They were all pretty much side-grades. Then 3000 series gets a huge performance jump, which ups demand, and the 1000 series owners still haven't upgraded as well.

 

[HumblePie]

And just landed another PS5, wtf...when it rains, it pours. Gotta disable those discord notifications , I am becoming a bot

I only bought 2. One from Gamestop and one from Walmart same day when Sony released the batch to merchants in January after the last batch that was before Xmas. I just happened to get them both at the same time through the check out process. I was also trying BB, and others at the time, but those didn't go through. Really wanted 1, but figured I could sell anything else I grabbed. Which I did. I also noticed the price on the PS5 dropped massively after Xmas which I figured it would. I originally got two of the XBSX though and gave one away as an Xmas gift to my nephews.

What is funny is I have a few of the trackers going on still on my computer. Since I don't use bots to purchase anything, I laugh at anything sold on Amazon when it pops up. Zero chance of buying anything from there without a bot. The stock for GPUs pops up all the time throughout the day. Amazon don't get a F about selling to bots though.

I got seriously lucky getting the 6800 for my wife on release day from AMD directly and buying my 3090 for the price I paid locally from someone selling for less than MSRP. The problem is that prices are only going to go up from here over the next year at least. Inflation hitting, everyone investing into crypto due to fears on the strength of the USD, lockdowns with stim checks forcing people to have nothing else better to do, shortages, and all sorts of "new" devices all vying for the same factory space at the same time. Heck, even 12 packs of soda's went up by $1 at my local grocery store a few weeks ago. Seeing other things on the shelves creeping up as well. I believe that the "scalper" prices people are complaining about today are going to be prices people WISHED they paid in a year from now.

 

[undertaker101]

Looks like I will be losing a grand on the PS5s, bro and bro in law claimed them and they both have birthdays coming up so ....

 

[HumblePie]

Looks like I will be losing a grand on the PS5s, bro and bro in law claimed them and they both have birthdays coming up so ....

Losing a grand? They going for $750 on average locally here where I live. Considering they are around $550 after tax that is only $200 per unit made. The one I sold for $750 took a week and I had like 100 people all messaging me with low-ball offers. The worst ones offering $500 or less. I was like WTF? I would return to Walmart before I sold it for that.

 

[undertaker101]

Losing a grand? They going for $750 on average locally here where I live. Considering they are around $550 after tax that is only $200 per unit made. The one I sold for $750 took a week and I had like 100 people all messaging me with low-ball offers. The worst ones offering $500 or less. I was like WTF? I would return to Walmart before I sold it for that.

I will be giving them as birthday gifts m8, hence the face...

 

[HumblePie]

I will be giving them as birthday gifts m8, hence the face...

OHH, I thought you talking about selling it to the bro's so they end up giving it to their kids. Well, that's a different story then. I ended up giving a PS5 digital edition and XBSX for Xmas to different nephews so I can relate then.

 

[kitkat22]

Yeesh, you all can be my family! 😁

 

[Thunder 57]

Didn't the Ti 4600 launch for like $299 and that was a halo card? I remember drooling at the time reading the AT launch article and wondering if I could ever get one....

How about the 8800GT? Basically the top end card for $200-250.


On another note, I was just checking out GPU prices today out of curiosity. RX 5700 / RX 5700 XT are selling for $700+ on ebay! When did this start? I got one around May for just over $300. And by Just over I mean $310-315.

 

[HumblePie]

How about the 8800GT? Basically the top end card for $200-250.


On another note, I was just checking out GPU prices today out of curiosity. RX 5700 / RX 5700 XT are selling for $700+ on ebay! When did this start? I got one around May for just over $300. And by Just over I mean $310-315.

The GTX, GX2, and Ultra were the top end cards during the 8XXX and 9XXX Nvidia series and they were more expensive. The GT version was a mid tier card. The pricing scheme for the majority of product releases has been the same from Nvidia for almost 20 years now. The only exception to that was the recent 2XXX series. Seriously even the pricing was this way back when 3dfx was in the game. My Obsidian card was $1000 back then which was 2x Voodoo chips in SLI on a single card. That was the big dog of the 1997 as an example. I think people are looking at the past with rose colored glasses if they think video card pricing has had any significant changes in decades for the pricing tier lists. As I said, there was ONE exception to that with the 2XXX release from Nvidia because AMD had nothing during that cycle.

 

[undertaker101]

Still pleased with this week, 2x 3090 FTW, 2x PS5, 2X 5900X...could have been much worse lol.

 

[HumblePie]

Still pleased with this week, 2x 3090 FTW, 2x PS5, 2X 5900X...could have been much worse lol.

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Same thing everything for me so far from Newegg. Since I refuse to use bots, I don't get anything on Amazon which has daily stock updates from my stock tracker, but if you aren't using a buying bot from Amazon then you aren't getting anything.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Heck, even 12 packs of soda's went up by $1 at my local grocery store a few weeks ago.

OH SHIT MAN. THIS HYPER-INFLATION IS SERIOUS BIDNESS. SODA PRICES WENT UP $1! BETTER INVEST IN BITCOIN!





/s (only semi though)