Do you think pedophilia is always wrong?

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Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Conjecture on my part -

Pedophilia is a disease or a mental disorder.

Homosexuality is not with no bond between the two.

Consentual sex between adults is fine. There is a serious mental breakdown going on when an adult is trying to solicit sexual services from a child. And I'm not talking about a 20 year old going after a 16 or 17 year old. We're talking full grown adults going after children that are unable to comprehend what exactly is going on.

As far as not acting on it, is it illegal, no. Is it unhealthy, yes.

I would have to disagree with you on this.

As one who was approached quite a bit by homosexuals when I was younger I would have to say that ANYONE who tries to "turn" another is wrong. IMO it doesn't matter if it's a adult trying to turn a child, or an adult trying to turn another adult from their chosen preference.
 

Cerb

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1. I personally think it is a mental health problem. I don't see it having a biological component. With our culture both selling sex and saying it is wrong, such strange interpretaions of what everyone is trying to get across are bound to happen. They need to be treated as such.
2. Pedophilia is largely wrong, in action (look at the large acceptance of homosexuality--many people have been able to keep their feelings under control for ages, and likely do in the case of many impulses considered wrong). Growing people generally do not feel comfortable in themselves--nobody wants to go through puberty again, right? They should learn largely with themselves and their peers. Dealing sexually with someone of a vastly different mental age is bound to negatively shape their lives. Also, while I don't know what other disorders commonly go along with pedo, I wouldn't be suprised if many could be abusive, or would do other behaviors that even more clearly shape the child's growth.
3. Many people get this label for ogling girls who have hips and boobs, but aren't of age. Clearly, this is just weird on the part of the name-callers. Sure, you shouldn't act (see #2), but if their figures are filled out, you should feel attracted.
4. I need to get off ATOT and do some physics studying.

Insane3D: 14-17 most are filling out. Debatable, IMO (young, sure, but they got the hormones going), though I don't see anything wrong with it in the whole. They are expected to be seen in 2-piece bikinis by that point (and generally know they are being looked at--and probably exagerate it internally, too), so what's so much different? The ones that make you go WTF are the parents with like 10 year olds wearing low-cut pants with things sticking out and such. I saw that at a concert. Really, aside from WTF, what is there to say?

...oh yeah, I see you mention that in a later post.

There is also the idea of the porn and journals. This is a massive gray area, as well. I think looking for kiddie porn is as bad as doing the act, because, um, see #2 up there. This would just be encouraging more, even if you aren't directly committing the act.
As far as a journal goes...I can see an investigation (more or less under-the-radar, if possible), and would consider that a duty of the cops. But if it looks like he hasn't done anything, leave it be, and keep him on a list of people to watch for (at that point, he has done nothing wrong, and deserves to keep his freedom as much as anyone). Maybe these people are doing bad things and trying to make it look like they aren't. OTOH, they could have these bad impulses and fantasize as an escape--maybe get it out of their systems. Now, if they are in a position of power, like a teacher, these thoughts are probably affecting how they act, whether they break the law doing so or not, but even I would refrain from forming an opinion on that without researching the specific psychological aspects of pedophilia.

JEDI: I doubt laws make a market, but enforcement of those laws will (look at drugs--illegalize them and organized crime helps the market), but social norms definitly do. I think that without the dysfunctional sexual laws of the big churches (Catholic, FI), which mainly arose from a few middle-ages zealots, we'd be a lot better off. I doubt it will happen, because I also would bet you there would be less objectualizing (is that even a frickin' word?) of sexual acts and characteristics with it--and too many corporations use such imagery for marketting to want it to go away. RJP wants you to think "picture of hot babe with cig logo->smoke cigarettes->hot babe", not "picture of hot babe with cig logo->75% chance of forgetting the ad by the next day".
 

pax2179

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Originally posted by: JEDI
here's an interesting thought...do laws against pedo create a market for pedo?

ie: govt says you cant have it. people have a tendancy to rebel against constraints. thus you want it

i dont think so
 

hysperion

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May 12, 2004
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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: spunkz
Originally posted by: hotchilisauce
I agree that you can't compare pedophilia to homosexuality. But given that it's rare for a teenager to be a virgin on his/her eighteenth birthday, I'm thinking the legal age will go down to 16 or something.

can someone explain to me why pedophilia is any different from homosexuality? so they're attracted to kids. i thought gays couldnt help it. how can pedophiles help it either?

Homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex on a biological level. Pedophilia is more of a preference of a certain age group. It depends on your school of thought on that subject. Some people think homosexuality is simply a "choice" (BS IMO), and some think it's how someone is born. It's very possible there is something different in the brain of these people that causes them to be attracted to young children, or they could just be attracted because it's considered wrong by society at large.

It's not a cut and dry sort of thing.


Personally I find both equally disgusting but at least with homosexuals the basis is two consenting adults- not one and a child...
 

konakona

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I agree that you can't compare pedophilia to homosexuality. But given that it's rare for a teenager to be a virgin on his/her eighteenth birthday, I'm thinking the legal age will go down to 16 or something.
I dont see why you couldnt. this argument is as vacuous as it gets, you dont have any proof for either case but some of you sound so confident as if you are an authority on this issue. not that i condone either, but i am not letting you people be the judge of right and wrong. just to be on the fair side, if homosexuality is harmless, so would be pedophilia. oh yeah btw, last time i checked, people with mental disorder are institutionalized.
 

carldon

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Once forgiven, twice........??? Death sentence. Lifer. Instituition. Is that allright? Cause I keep reading reports of rapists and child molesters who get caught on multiple occasions. Why dont they just give them the death sentence and save some money. There are mentally challenged people who could use them. I don't even know if I can forgive once, but twice I'd rather they be killed.

Sorry, didn't mean to deviate from the topic but didn't want to start a new thread.
CD.
 

iwantanewcomputer

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Apr 4, 2004
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no. if you keep it in your pants there is nothing wrong with it, and that's according to the catholic church.
you can't help how you feel, but you can decide what you think, say, and do.

PS: we need a poll on who likes the little'uns
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Conjecture on my part -

Pedophilia is a disease or a mental disorder.

Homosexuality is not with no bond between the two.

Consentual sex between adults is fine. There is a serious mental breakdown going on when an adult is trying to solicit sexual services from a child. And I'm not talking about a 20 year old going after a 16 or 17 year old. We're talking full grown adults going after children that are unable to comprehend what exactly is going on.

As far as not acting on it, is it illegal, no. Is it unhealthy, yes.

I would have to disagree with you on this.

As one who was approached quite a bit by homosexuals when I was younger I would have to say that ANYONE who tries to "turn" another is wrong. IMO it doesn't matter if it's a adult trying to turn a child, or an adult trying to turn another adult from their chosen preference.


turn? as in what? hit on you? did they pass you a recruitment pamphlet? or did some guy just flirt with you just to piss you off? it doesn't jive. most people don't get approached by homosexuals for recruitment, thats bullsh*t. i live in the sf bay area and well its chock full of gays, theres no recuitment if you go out looking for it... say hanging out at a gay rights meeting you might

unless your hot as sin, i don't see how you were being approached quite a bit. unless you happened to have a bad encounter with a pedo, which is entirely different and would have apparently traumatized you

1. I personally think it is a mental health problem. I don't see it having a biological component. With our culture both selling sex and saying it is wrong, such strange interpretaions of what everyone is trying to get across are bound to happen. They need to be treated as such.

what are you refering to. prepubesent attraction is a mental health problem yes, but by historical and various cultural standards, once puberty hits its a different situation. as for the marketing, i don't see it. jailbait is sometimes marketed(britney in naughty catholic school girl outfit) for the forbidden fruit factor, but not prepubscent children.


2. Pedophilia is largely wrong, in action (look at the large acceptance of homosexuality--many people have been able to keep their feelings under control for ages, and likely do in the case of many impulses considered wrong). .

you go too far. for ages many people have been forced to keep their feelings for mates of other races under control. even going as far as to ban it by law with antimisegination laws. in some countries people of different social casts were banned from marriage. whether something was suppressed in the past has no bearing on whether it was a ethically/morally correct position.


I dont see why you couldnt. this argument is as vacuous as it gets, you dont have any proof for either case but some of you sound so confident as if you are an authority on this issue. not that i condone either, but i am not letting you people be the judge of right and wrong. just to be on the fair side, if homosexuality is harmless, so would be pedophilia. oh yeah btw, last time i checked, people with mental disorder are institutionalized.

thats not being on the fair side. one can only compare the two if one arbitrarily disregards age and consent. its an illogical arguement.


 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Only a closet pedophile would come up with a question like this to ponder.

philosphers ponder all things from the ethics of murder to the ethics tipping lol it means nothing of closeting.
 
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