Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
Would you say the same thing if you were born gay?
Nobody is born gay. It's a freaking choice. And if you're born gay that is natural selection saying "you don't get to play in the gene pool or influence a child". aka, marriage.
Originally posted by: JD50
This is really fun watching some of the pro gay marriage folks mak some of the same kinds of arguments that anti gay marriage people make.
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Now give 1 benefit of gay marriage.
You first. Give 1 benefit of straight marriage.
One benefit of both, if the marriage works, is a stable, established, and loving home for raising children, and one that tends to be far more economically viable and advantaged than most single parent (often a female trying to re-enter the workforce at an advanced age) households.
Marriage is the generational glue. Most of who you are came from your home upbringing. No one is more apt to love you more unreservedly than your parents.
Straight or gay, that is one benefit of marriage.
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Now give 1 benefit of gay marriage.
You first. Give 1 benefit of straight marriage.
One benefit of both, if the marriage works, is a stable, established, and loving home for raising children, and one that tends to be far more economically viable and advantaged than most single parent (often a female trying to re-enter the workforce at an advanced age) households.
Marriage is the generational glue. Most of who you are came from your home upbringing. No one is more apt to love you more unreservedly than your parents.
Straight or gay, that is one benefit of marriage.
You will never ever convince me a gay house is a place to raise childern ever.
My brother is a kind gentle man . He loves children . But even he as a gay knows this is not the proper setting for raising children.
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I think only 1 poster had anything worth while . If ya have the polygamy gene . Than you should have same rights as gays. Same as the killer gene . the Lieing Gene The stealing gene . If we have genes that makes same sex look good . It stands to reason these other genes exist . Were are these peoples rights. They can't help who they are . When I say same rights . I mean Killers kill . They can't help it poor dears. You can't argue for the gay gene and forget the rest . That means your being selective and thats not equal rights.
Because stealing, lying (in some cases), and killing infringes on the rights of an unwilling participant... Polygamy is a consenting relationship.
That still doesn't change the fact that they can't help themseves. We all know right from wrong or we should . But once ya start making exceptions to the rule . GAY gene . Than you show prejudice. YOU say draw the line somewhere . But you have the choice . Isay If these genes exist. Than prejudice should not be shown . Just get rid of law and order. That fixes everthing. It really wouldn't be much differant than what we already have.
So the spreading of sexual diesease is OK in your book. Doesn't that infringe. I mean Doing another guy has to be dirty stinky business. So disease is likely. So ya see unwilling participant also apply to the gay community.
Originally posted by: JD50
This is really fun watching some of the pro gay marriage folks mak some of the same kinds of arguments that anti gay marriage people make.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: JD50
This is really fun watching some of the pro gay marriage folks mak some of the same kinds of arguments that anti gay marriage people make.
Really? Because I have yet to see pro-gay marriage people argue that hetereosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to get married because their love isn't real love.
Originally posted by: BansheeX
Polygamy might have some undesirable social implications. Gays with gays doesn't hurt anything in a 50/50 gender split population. But if men are taking more than one wife, doesn't that leave remaining men competing for an increasingly smaller pool of mates?
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: thirtythree
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I think only 1 poster had anything worth while . If ya have the polygamy gene . Than you should have same rights as gays. Same as the killer gene . the Lieing Gene The stealing gene . If we have genes that makes same sex look good . It stands to reason these other genes exist . Were are these peoples rights. They can't help who they are . When I say same rights . I mean Killers kill . They can't help it poor dears. You can't argue for the gay gene and forget the rest . That means your being selective and thats not equal rights.
Because stealing, lying (in some cases), and killing infringes on the rights of an unwilling participant... Polygamy is a consenting relationship.
That still doesn't change the fact that they can't help themseves. We all know right from wrong or we should . But once ya start making exceptions to the rule . GAY gene . Than you show prejudice. YOU say draw the line somewhere . But you have the choice . Isay If these genes exist. Than prejudice should not be shown . Just get rid of law and order. That fixes everthing. It really wouldn't be much differant than what we already have.
So the spreading of sexual diesease is OK in your book. Doesn't that infringe. I mean Doing another guy has to be dirty stinky business. So disease is likely. So ya see unwilling participant also apply to the gay community.
The spreading of sexual disease causes harm, and people don't generally consent to receiving an STD from someone. If they choose to have sex with someone they don't know well without taking precautions, then they assume a certain level of risk. Someone who has an STD and doesn't tell their partner beforehand is behaving unethically. Is it generally possible to prosecute this sort of thing? Probably not, but that doesn't mean it's "OK." I can't quite make sense of the rest of that paragraph.
It's debatable that people can't help themselves from committing a crime -- in fact, people attracted to the same sex can probably resist acting on that too. However, same-sex relationships don't cause harm to anyone, so there's no reason to prevent them from acting on it. Now, even if people can't control themselves, we can still punish them for their crimes to prevent other such acts. Even in a determinist world, it would make sense to have laws against crimes to prevent them from taking place, even if there's no personal responsibility.
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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
That BS and you know it . Guy has boy friend . Has sex . Gets disease goes home does wife. Tell me all about it.
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I have no idea what you're saying, seriously.
Ok . I am talking about a married couple . Guy is having Gay Affair. Does his boy friend contracts aid . Goes home And does his wife . Giving her Aids. Were did the wife become a willing victim . Also wife gets pregnant. Child contracts aids. Now we have 2 unwilling victims.
Another mistake your making is this. SEX and responsiable don't work well together.
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Now give 1 benefit of gay marriage.
You first. Give 1 benefit of straight marriage.
One benefit of both, if the marriage works, is a stable, established, and loving home for raising children, and one that tends to be far more economically viable and advantaged than most single parent (often a female trying to re-enter the workforce at an advanced age) households.
Marriage is the generational glue. Most of who you are came from your home upbringing. No one is more apt to love you more unreservedly than your parents.
Straight or gay, that is one benefit of marriage.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Polygamy is not the same issue as gay marriage. Banning gay marriage deprives gay Americans of the same right as other citizens to marry one other person. Polygamy is not legal anywhere in the Union. Whether or not you agree with that ban, it applies universally and equally to all citizens so it does not fall under the equal protection clause of the U.S. or any state Constitution.
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
.
.
Nobody is born gay. It's a freaking choice. And if you're born gay that is natural selection saying "you don't get to play in the gene pool or influence a child". aka, marriage.
Thanks for all the hard facts and documentation to support your vapor headed bigotry. :thumbsdown: :frown:
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Now give 1 benefit of gay marriage.
You first. Give 1 benefit of straight marriage.
Years and years of a couple growing together raising a family. Its a great life in that respect. Not one of my friends have divorced. None in Our combined families has Divorced. My mom came from a family of 15 . My dad a family of 8 . My wifes family has 8 children Mine has 5. My wifes mom has 10 in her family . My wifes Dad 2 He be native American . None have divorced. no children no grand children NO one has divorced. I be 56 years and tired. Living in Christ has its rewards.
Man, will your face ever be red if you die and find out the Jews were right.
No I have given that a very hard look . SO I concerned myself only with the reported words of Christ. I see no contridictions . and his demands are more than reasoniable.
I have also looked hard at the Jews. But There is something wrong.
The God of Moses did all his own killing. Jews didn't kill anyone. Somewhere along the line a Holy man . Started doing GODs killing for him . Hugh contrast.
1) Moses GOD . Iam that I am . DID his own killing .
2) Later holy men started doing Gods killing for him . I really don't think my LORDS LORD needed to test man by telling them to Kill . Infact It goes against 1 of the 10 commandments . Iam that I am gave to Moses. Surely God would not tell men to kill.
So that means someone is lying. Guess which one.
So I can easily find fault in the jewish belief. Not saying all holy men done this. But a couple sneaked threw the crack. Than we have the biggest of all mysteries . Enoch. They just didn't want this message from GOD. But Enoch surely was favored by God. But his was not the choosen bloodline . Enter Noah. Than for the Jews to reject enoch much like they did Christ shows the men of power feared the words of Enoch just as they did Christ . Enoch lived at adams time . He also survived the flood. Without the ARK.
HE also new how to write. Noah must not have . Because everthing in holy scripture up to Moses was writen by MOSES. So who ya going to believe an eye witness. One of 2. Or the guy who wrote down hand me down stories.
The choice is easy . But the jews always had problems making the right decision. Read their history . One stupid move after another.
Reject the trueth and embrace some nice campfire stories . Enoch is the first ever to talk about the Elect. Very special man whom GOD loved and protected.
Originally posted by: uli2000
Originally posted by: Harvey
Polygamy is not the same issue as gay marriage. Banning gay marriage deprives gay Americans of the same right as other citizens to marry one other person. Polygamy is not legal anywhere in the Union. Whether or not you agree with that ban, it applies universally and equally to all citizens so it does not fall under the equal protection clause of the U.S. or any state Constitution.
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
.
.
Nobody is born gay. It's a freaking choice. And if you're born gay that is natural selection saying "you don't get to play in the gene pool or influence a child". aka, marriage.
Thanks for all the hard facts and documentation to support your vapor headed bigotry. :thumbsdown: :frown:
If denying gay marriage is depryving civil rights, what do you call the effects of the Edmunds-Tucker Act, the law which banned polygamy (which, btw, the people didnt have a choice about, unlike Prop. 8). The Edmunds-Tucker Act, among other things, confiscated the private property of citizens and the LDS chuch, disenfranched women voters, who had been granted the right to vote in 1870 and that right was not restored untill 1895, and revoked the right of spousal privledge, forcing women to testify against their husbands. You're right. Not one homosexual has lost their property, the right to vote, or be forced to testify against their partner because of Prop. 8. So I guess homosexuality and polygamy arn't the same.
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: uli2000
Originally posted by: Harvey
Polygamy is not the same issue as gay marriage. Banning gay marriage deprives gay Americans of the same right as other citizens to marry one other person. Polygamy is not legal anywhere in the Union. Whether or not you agree with that ban, it applies universally and equally to all citizens so it does not fall under the equal protection clause of the U.S. or any state Constitution.
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
.
.
Nobody is born gay. It's a freaking choice. And if you're born gay that is natural selection saying "you don't get to play in the gene pool or influence a child". aka, marriage.
Thanks for all the hard facts and documentation to support your vapor headed bigotry. :thumbsdown: :frown:
If denying gay marriage is depryving civil rights, what do you call the effects of the Edmunds-Tucker Act, the law which banned polygamy (which, btw, the people didnt have a choice about, unlike Prop. 8). The Edmunds-Tucker Act, among other things, confiscated the private property of citizens and the LDS chuch, disenfranched women voters, who had been granted the right to vote in 1870 and that right was not restored untill 1895, and revoked the right of spousal privledge, forcing women to testify against their husbands. You're right. Not one homosexual has lost their property, the right to vote, or be forced to testify against their partner because of Prop. 8. So I guess homosexuality and polygamy arn't the same.
Gays existed before the Mormons.
Hasn't exactly been a garden party for the past couple thousand years.
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Now give 1 benefit of gay marriage.
You first. Give 1 benefit of straight marriage.
One benefit of both, if the marriage works, is a stable, established, and loving home for raising children, and one that tends to be far more economically viable and advantaged than most single parent (often a female trying to re-enter the workforce at an advanced age) households.
Marriage is the generational glue. Most of who you are came from your home upbringing. No one is more apt to love you more unreservedly than your parents.
Straight or gay, that is one benefit of marriage.
There it is, right there. :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
????????? Why cannot you have this environment without marriage? Does marriage only constitute a safe living ground? Can one not live in a safe ground to grow up even if the parents are not married and live together, loving each-other? Why does marriage make everything seem like it's all OK, now? Marriage is nothing more than a piece of paper saying that I have to do such and such and that such and such can do this and that. It's stupid, I could marry someone I don't even have feelings for... But I could not marry someone I love deeply and have children with, what makes it any different? What makes MARRIAGE such a big deal? I want it banned, that's all. Marriage makes too much BS in this world.
EDIT: If I have any errors...... well, fuck you. I'm really tired.
Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
Didn't the doctor on Star Trek Enterprise have 3 wives? And each of those had 3 husbands. He said it worked just fine, so I'm not sure what all the fuss about polygamy is.
Originally posted by: Dari
A man should be allowed to have as many wives as he can afford financially. One for each day of the week. Rotate thrice a year and you're good to go.
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Given the poll results it looks like there's a double-standard here for a lot of pro-gay marriage supporters. I'm not buying the arguments that try to distinguish the two.
I don't like the idea of polygamy, but then again I don't like the idea of gay marriage either. But that's not enough to say others can't do it if they want to. If gays can marry each other, there's no reason Mormons can't be polygamous.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: sandorski
The only women in numbers who are interested in such an arrangement were raised to think that it's is Normal. They were also raised to think of themselves as Lesser than Men.
That's just ignorant, and untrue. I've seen and read interviews with intelligent, independent women in polygamous relationships, and these women neither consider themselves "lesser" to men nor exploited in the relationship. One was even an MD! In fact, the women had considerable control within their family structure. For example, it was the women, and not the man, who decided who was going to be in the man's bed that night - he had no say, and if he didn't like it, there was always the couch.
Negative. It is so ingrained to them, they truly Think they are equal. However, they are exploited and conditioned from Birth to be Lesser.
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.