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compuwiz1

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When a country is literally invaded, the general rule is shoot to kill...
As far illegally crossing a border, especially in numbers, try that in any other country and see how it works out.
I'm all for giving a six month advanced notice. Hammer the news with, if you cross, you will be shot on sight. Declare the entire southern border a military base. Nobody enters a military base illegally. It will only take one or two examples and nobody will try the stunt anymore. At some point it has to stop. Time to get tough. Then we graduate to a more kind, more expedient system. Approvals of good people should not take more than a few weeks, when there is merit to letting them in. Not everyone gets to come in. Right now, we don't know who we're getting. Some want a better life for themselves and their children, while others have other motives. A large sum of people desire to come here to carry out illegal activities, or live off our social systems. Most of the heroin comes from south America. There are a boatload of reasons why unknown, unvetted people should not be able to cross, willy-nilly. It shouldn't be our job to sift out the criminal element, but we often don't figure out who they are until they commit crimes. Should have been stopped at the border.
 
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Love how liberals love to cite liberal countries taking in refugees. Nevermind that the EU paid off Turkey shit tons of money to block them from entering because of the simple fact that importing a shit ton of unskilled labor isn't exactly a smart idea for a developed country.
 
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fskimospy

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When a country is literally invaded, the general rule is shoot to kill...
As far illegally crossing a border, especially in numbers, try that in any other country and see how it works out.
I'm all for giving a six month advanced notice. Hammer the news with, if you cross, you will be shot on sight. Declare the entire southern border a military base. Nobody enters a military base illegally. It will only take one or two examples and nobody will try the stunt anymore. At some point it has to stop. Time to get tough. Then we graduate to a more kind, more expedient system. Approvals of good people should not take more than a few weeks, when there is merit to letting them in. Not everyone gets to come in. Right now, we don't know who we're getting. Some want a better life for themselves and their children, while others have other motives. A large sum of people desire to come here to carry out illegal activities, or live off our social systems. Most of the heroin comes from south America. There are a boatload of reasons why unknown, unvetted people should not be able to cross, willy-nilly. It shouldn't be our job to sift out the criminal element, but we often don't figure out who they are until they commit crimes. Should have been stopped at the border.

So now we are advocating for the murder of women and children for the offense of crossing into our country illegally.

You guys have seriously lost your minds. I’m not kidding, please seek professional mental help immediately. You are acting psychopathic.
 

ch33zw1z

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Love how liberals love to cite liberal countries taking in refugees. Nevermind that the EU paid off Turkey shit tons of money to block them from entering because of the simple fact that importing a shit ton of unskilled labor isn't exactly a smart idea for a developed country.
It working out well for ours though, our own plebes don't want to do the manual labor for the same price, so employers jump on it.
 

compuwiz1

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So now we are advocating for the murder of women and children for the offense of crossing into our country illegally.

You guys have seriously lost your minds. I’m not kidding, please seek professional mental help immediately. You are acting psychopathic.

Of course not, but one or two might take one for the team, then it stops. So, are you seriously advocating that our sovereignty, laws and constitution be violated on a daily basis? Democrats use their advocacy for these people for one purpose...votes. Otherwise, they would be as anti-illegal immigration as anyone else. One party sticks up for them, then the relatives of them vote for that party. It's pretty easy to see and understand that those people are being used as political pawns. Reminds me of when LBJ disintegrated the black community, kicked out all the males, then gave welfare to the moms with kids. In doing that he said "I'll have those N's voting democrat for 200 years". People are exploited and used by the Democratic Party. Parties don't give a fuck about you, until it's time to vote, then it's off to fund raising and pandering to lobbyists, while padding their own pockets until the next election cycle, where they claim to love you again. Wise up!

Having blocks and blocks of generations dependent on the government is not a direction toward prosperity for any of them. It's a ticket to lives of waste and withering.
 
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fskimospy

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Of course not, but one or two might take one for the team, then it stops. So, are you seriously advocating that our sovereignty, laws and constitution be violated on a daily basis? Democrats use their advocacy for these people for one purpose...votes. Otherwise, they would be as anti-illegal immigration as anyone else. One party sticks up for them, then the relatives of them vote for that party. It's pretty easy to see and understand that those people are being used as political pawns. Reminds me of when LBJ disintegrated the black community, kicked out all the males, then gave welfare to the moms with kids. In doing that he said "I'll have those N's voting democrat for 200 years". People are exploited and used by the Democratic Party. Parties don't give a fuck about you, until it's time to vote, then it's off to fund raising and pandering to lobbyists, while padding their own pockets until the next election cycle, where they claim to love you again. Wise up!

Wise up, illegal immigrants can’t vote.

More importantly though you’re now saying ‘I only want to murder a few women and children’. This is deeply insane.
 

compuwiz1

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Wise up, illegal immigrants can’t vote.

More importantly though you’re now saying ‘I only want to murder a few women and children’. This is deeply insane.

California registers them to vote, at the DMV, when they get their driver's license, by asking one question: are you a U.S. citizen? There is no proof required and there is no follow up. Of course they answer yes. If you think this is not happening, well, I've been in those DMV lines plenty of times. It's happening. Legal Hispanics are going to vote for those who advocate for their relatives to be here, legal or illegal. We can all see how they are being used for votes.

As for murdering anyone; if the rules are clear, in advance, nobody crosses and nobody gets murdered or killed. Is that hard for you to get your head around the concept? We shall requisition foreign employees, as needed. They will be vetted and approved, based on our needs and their merit.
 
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Veliko

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You need to stop giving the illegals a reason to come into the country.

How about we give a six month advance warning, before we start confiscating businesses from those who hire illegal labour? If that still doesn't sort it, we could just shoot the business owners instead.
 

compuwiz1

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It's cost effective to hire an illegal immigrant, whether one is a republican or democrat. It's cost effective to hire an illegal immigrant, whether a business owner is a republican or democrat. Lower wages, no state industrial insurance, cash under the table, no benefits, no taxes, no accounting.

This is why it will never be fixed.
 

Commodus

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California registers them to vote, at the DMV, when they get their driver's license, by asking one question: are you a U.S. citizen? There is no proof required and there is no follow up. Of course they answer yes. If you think this is not happening, well, I've been in those DMV lines plenty of times. It's happening. Legal Hispanics are going to vote for those who advocate for their relatives to be here, legal or illegal. We can all see how they are being used for votes.

As for murdering anyone; if the rules are clear, in advance, nobody crosses and nobody gets murdered or killed. Is that hard for you to get your head around the concept? We shall requisition foreign employees, as needed. They will be vetted and approved, based on our needs and their merit.

There's still no evidence of mass voter fraud. How do you know those people in the lines you've been in are illegal immigrants? Did they look like they'd just finished running across the border? Did they stand up and shout "I am an illegal immigrant?" Oh, let me guess, they did neither -- they just happened to be brown and speak Spanish.

Edit: Oh, and fskimo just pointed out that the claim of allowing undocumented people to vote isn't even true. So yeah, you're just a racist piece of shit.
 

fskimospy

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California registers them to vote, at the DMV, when they get their driver's license, by asking one question: are you a U.S. citizen? There is no proof required and there is no follow up. Of course they answer yes. If you think this is not happening, well, I've been in those DMV lines plenty of times. It's happening. Legal Hispanics are going to vote for those who advocate for their relatives to be here, legal or illegal. We can all see how they are being used for votes.

This is a conspiracy theory that has been debunked repeatedly. I don’t know how you can keep believing this obvious nonsense.

California does not register illegal immigrants to vote. Full stop. End of story.

http://www.politifact.com/californi...ifornia-didnt-pass-law-allowing-undocumented/

As for murdering anyone; if the rules are clear, in advance, nobody crosses and nobody gets murdered or killed. Is that hard for you to get your head around the concept? We shall requisition foreign employees, as needed. They will be vetted and approved, based on our needs and their merit.

I understand the concept perfectly well, that’s why I told you that you’re acting like a psychopath. Seek mental help, because you’re having delusional, violent fantasies.
 

fskimospy

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You need to stop giving the illegals a reason to come into the country.

How about we give a six month advance warning, before we start confiscating businesses from those who hire illegal labour? If that still doesn't sort it, we could just shoot the business owners instead.

How about we don’t do any of those things because that response would be insane. Now we have people advocating the murder of women and children attempting to cross the border and the mass murder of business owners who might employ them.

This does explain why conservatives fear government so much though, they are worried that someone just as insane as they are might run it one day.
 

compuwiz1

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There's still no evidence of mass voter fraud. How do you know those people in the lines you've been in are illegal immigrants? Did they look like they'd just finished running across the border? Did they stand up and shout "I am an illegal immigrant?" Oh, let me guess, they did neither -- they just happened to be brown and speak Spanish.

Edit: Oh, and fskimo just pointed out that the claim of allowing undocumented people to vote isn't even true. So yeah, you're just a racist piece of shit.

Let me help your out here. My wife is "brown" and she speaks fluent Spanish. We often sit outside the DMV, while waiting for our number to be called. As some of the people park and enter, they are being coached about what to say at the counter, by the person who walks in with them. We've heard them a few times. Maybe it's time to start recording their conversations, if for no other reason than to show proof to those who deny it happens. They have every intent to register and vote, besides get a driver's license. Thank you, governor Moonbeam!
 

Veliko

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How about we don’t do any of those things because that response would be insane. Now we have people advocating the murder of women and children attempting to cross the border and the mass murder of business owners who might employ them.

This does explain why conservatives fear government so much though, they are worried that someone just as insane as they are might run it one day.

I wasn't being serious.
 

fskimospy

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Let me help your out here. My wife is "brown" and she speaks fluent Spanish. We often sit outside the DMV, while waiting for our number to be called. As some of the people park and enter, they are being coached about what to say at the counter, by the person who walks in with them. We've heard them a few times. Maybe it's time to start recording their conversations, if for no other reason than to show proof to those who deny it happens. They have every intent to register and vote, besides get a driver's license. Thank you, governor Moonbeam!

If you can prove that illegal immigrants are successfully registering and voting in California you will be a nationwide conservative political celebrity so I strongly encourage you to do it. No joke, you could make thousands, maybe millions.

You won’t do this of course because your claim is transparent bullshit. Even after being confronted with the actual facts of the matter you’re still parroting insane conspiracy theories.
 

Commodus

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Let me help your out here. My wife is "brown" and she speaks fluent Spanish. We often sit outside the DMV, while waiting for our number to be called. As some of the people park and enter, they are being coached about what to say at the counter, by the person who walks in with them. We've heard them a few times. Maybe it's time to start recording their conversations, if for no other reason than to show proof to those who deny it happens. They have every intent to register and vote, besides get a driver's license. Thank you, governor Moonbeam!

Apologies on making some assumptions.

At the same time, though, what are those conversations? What's the evidence that they're clearly illegal immigrants versus just, say, people whose English isn't very good? And that's still not evidence of large-scale, systemic fraud like the lies Trump parrots.
 

fskimospy

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Apologies on making some assumptions.

At the same time, though, what are those conversations? What's the evidence that they're clearly illegal immigrants versus just, say, people whose English isn't very good? And that's still not evidence of large-scale, systemic fraud like the lies Trump parrots.

The answer to why this is bullshit is easy. Who is registered and who votes is public information. To prove that illegals are voting all you need to do is look at the publicly available list of who voted and go find one. If you think conservatives haven’t been desperately trying to do this for years now you’re nuts. They don’t find any because it isn’t happening.

Anyone who wants to register to vote in California or any other state is free to do so. In California just like everywhere else though, that information is sent to the Secretary of State who then determines if that individual meets the requirements to vote. Since illegal immigrants are not citizens they would not pass this check and their registration would be denied.
 

IronWing

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When a country is literally invaded, the general rule is shoot to kill...
As far illegally crossing a border, especially in numbers, try that in any other country and see how it works out.
I'm all for giving a six month advanced notice. Hammer the news with, if you cross, you will be shot on sight. Declare the entire southern border a military base. Nobody enters a military base illegally. It will only take one or two examples and nobody will try the stunt anymore. At some point it has to stop. Time to get tough. Then we graduate to a more kind, more expedient system. Approvals of good people should not take more than a few weeks, when there is merit to letting them in. Not everyone gets to come in. Right now, we don't know who we're getting. Some want a better life for themselves and their children, while others have other motives. A large sum of people desire to come here to carry out illegal activities, or live off our social systems. Most of the heroin comes from south America. There are a boatload of reasons why unknown, unvetted people should not be able to cross, willy-nilly. It shouldn't be our job to sift out the criminal element, but we often don't figure out who they are until they commit crimes. Should have been stopped at the border.

Of course not, but one or two might take one for the team, then it stops. So, are you seriously advocating that our sovereignty, laws and constitution be violated on a daily basis? Democrats use their advocacy for these people for one purpose...votes. Otherwise, they would be as anti-illegal immigration as anyone else. One party sticks up for them, then the relatives of them vote for that party. It's pretty easy to see and understand that those people are being used as political pawns. Reminds me of when LBJ disintegrated the black community, kicked out all the males, then gave welfare to the moms with kids. In doing that he said "I'll have those N's voting democrat for 200 years". People are exploited and used by the Democratic Party. Parties don't give a fuck about you, until it's time to vote, then it's off to fund raising and pandering to lobbyists, while padding their own pockets until the next election cycle, where they claim to love you again. Wise up!

Having blocks and blocks of generations dependent on the government is not a direction toward prosperity for any of them. It's a ticket to lives of waste and withering.

California registers them to vote, at the DMV, when they get their driver's license, by asking one question: are you a U.S. citizen? There is no proof required and there is no follow up. Of course they answer yes. If you think this is not happening, well, I've been in those DMV lines plenty of times. It's happening. Legal Hispanics are going to vote for those who advocate for their relatives to be here, legal or illegal. We can all see how they are being used for votes.

As for murdering anyone; if the rules are clear, in advance, nobody crosses and nobody gets murdered or killed. Is that hard for you to get your head around the concept? We shall requisition foreign employees, as needed. They will be vetted and approved, based on our needs and their merit.

If you aren't deeply ashamed of your posts here, you are a psychopath.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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We often sit outside the DMV, while waiting for our number to be called.

Often? I'm trying to figure out why a person would be there often... or if they just need to say so to embellish an urban legend.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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If you can prove that illegal immigrants are successfully registering and voting in California you will be a nationwide conservative political celebrity so I strongly encourage you to do it. No joke, you could make thousands, maybe millions.

You won’t do this of course because your claim is transparent bullshit. Even after being confronted with the actual facts of the matter you’re still parroting insane conspiracy theories.

He doesn't need to prove anything. He just needs to believe.
 

DietDrThunder

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Apr 6, 2001
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You need to stop giving the illegals a reason to come into the country.

How about we give a six month advance warning, before we start confiscating businesses from those who hire illegal labour? If that still doesn't sort it, we could just shoot the business owners instead.

Mandatory e-Verify for every company in the U.S.A., Mandatory fines and prison sentence for employers who hire illegally, 35% tax on wire transfers to Mexico and South America.
 

nickqt

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If you aren't deeply ashamed of your posts here, you are a psychopath.
To be ashamed of something requires integrity.

As a modern US conservative, integrity has been shouted out of them for the past 40 years by handlers such as Masters Limbuagh, Hannity, Jones, etc.

So, no. He is not ashamed. He is a modern US c.onservative. They are mutually exclusive states of minds.
 
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